[HN Gopher] Akon wants to run a Senegal city on cryptocurrency
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       Akon wants to run a Senegal city on cryptocurrency
        
       Author : prostoalex
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2021-04-10 18:49 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | barbazoo wrote:
       | Well, it sure will make him rich.
        
       | quickthrower2 wrote:
       | Not sure what crypto adds to this. Just make a local currency,
       | then you can have physical cash as well as digital.
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | Senegal has a currency. It's a regional currency with several
         | other West African countries and it's pegged to the Euro.
        
       | didibus wrote:
       | Anyone know what network it'll run on?
        
       | m3kw9 wrote:
       | Sure, he will be issuing the coins
        
       | grenoire wrote:
       | The currency technology that started up with the great benefit of
       | preventing people from being disenfranchised from banking and
       | money ends up being the perfect tool for doing just that.
        
         | tcbawo wrote:
         | Empowering people in the same way that company towns did in the
         | early 1900's USA
        
           | beckman466 wrote:
           | Company towns are slavery by another name
        
       | CynicusRex wrote:
       | "Then you have these tone-deaf millionaires going around imposing
       | their preferences, like Twitter's Jack Dorsey and Jay-Z investing
       | 500 bitcoin toward bitcoin development in Africa which will
       | supposedly empower its population. Vested interests anyone?"
       | --https://www.cynicusrex.com/file/cryptocultscience.html
        
         | varispeed wrote:
         | Altruism is a myth. Anyone does something for their personal
         | interest. If a doctor gets satisfaction from helping patients,
         | should we be pointing at a doctor that they have a vested
         | interest?
        
           | quickthrower2 wrote:
           | If a doctor helps ease a patients pain using a drug whose rep
           | takes them to the opera when a better treatment would route
           | out the cause then yes.
        
             | varispeed wrote:
             | What is the difference? Wouldn't it only matter if the
             | patient was somewhat in disadvantage? I think this practice
             | is widespread and kind of why doctors despite not earning
             | much seem to be happy with how things are. In my country
             | they don't even have to declare any cash and hospitality
             | benefits.
        
               | quickthrower2 wrote:
               | You get the shitter remedy because the doctor got a
               | kickback. Not sure if I can make it plainer than that.
        
               | varispeed wrote:
               | Correct, but isn't that a socially accepted thing? You
               | don't see people protesting doctors being corrupt? Quite
               | the opposite, people praise them. I can't even recall any
               | party that would have tackling this in their program, not
               | even making disclosure of such benefits mandatory...
        
           | africanboy wrote:
           | difference being you can't buy or sell satisfaction.
        
       | hereme888 wrote:
       | It's precisely what cryptocurrencies were made for; economy based
       | on math and pre-defined rules, not the whims of corrupt
       | politicians. Being under a country's jurisdiction also seems to
       | give the project legal accountability. I really wish this project
       | success, and hope everything they do is audited properly to
       | prevent corruption.
       | 
       | I know this goes agains the general sentiment of HN readers, who
       | seem to dislike cryptocurrencies.
        
         | imtringued wrote:
         | Usually the country is in trouble and then the currency is in
         | trouble because of that. Cryptocurrency advocates seem to be
         | under the mistaken impression that treating the symptom will
         | magically fix the cause.
         | 
         | A government that has the power to destroy everything also has
         | the power to create everything.
        
           | ur-whale wrote:
           | Cryptos is about _separating_ governments and currencies, not
           | about fixing what is wrong with governments (an impossibility
           | if there ever was one).
           | 
           | Just like church and state haven been separated in most
           | civilized places, there is absolutely no reason to allow
           | governments to manage or control the means to exchange value
           | between economic entities.
           | 
           | If you need proof of that last assertion, all it takes is
           | looking at the history of currency in the last 2000 years,
           | starting with the Romans.
           | 
           | Governments can _never_ resist the appeal of the infinite
           | money faucet.
           | 
           | Every single mistake they make, every single problem they
           | face, can seemingly be fixed short term by opening the faucet
           | a little wider.
           | 
           | Until it all goes to shit, of course.
           | 
           | The story of currency debasement leading to societal collapse
           | is as old as money and has repeated itself countless times
           | over the course of history.
           | 
           | Cryptos take the sharp tool out of the hand of the retarded
           | child.
           | 
           | It's certainly not fixing the fact that he's retarded, and he
           | can certainly find other ways to cut himself, but not with
           | that particular tool.
        
         | didibus wrote:
         | I think the HN sentiment is more that when a coin is managed by
         | a single entity, it's no better than a coin managed by the
         | government, might even be worse.
         | 
         | And when you see someone creating a new coin without creating
         | new innovative technology around it, it makes you feel they
         | just want to capitalize for their own profit.
         | 
         | So in cases like this I think the devil is in the details. It's
         | possible Akoin is pushed as a fair decentralized, efficient
         | currency that isn't designed to make Akon richer, but it might
         | also turn into a hot mess used to make Akon richer and
         | providing no real advantage to people using it.
        
           | cblconfederate wrote:
           | > when a coin is managed by a single entity
           | 
           | But then they do invest heavily in a company managed by a
           | single person
        
           | koolba wrote:
           | It's both better and worse. Better because there's no mandate
           | to use it. Worse because the destitute has no representation
           | to ever change anything.
           | 
           | I don't know how this will play out, but his best, IMHO, song
           | is aptly titled "Locked Up".
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locked_Up_(song)
        
         | dmitriid wrote:
         | > It's precisely what cryptocurrencies were made for; economy
         | based on math and pre-defined rules, not the whims of corrupt
         | politicians. Being under a country's jurisdiction
         | 
         | You realise that "a country's jurisdiction" is defined by the
         | very same "corrupt politicians" that you rally against, do you?
        
         | africanboy wrote:
         | > economy based on math and pre-defined rules, not the whims of
         | corrupt politicians
         | 
         | how is a cryptocurrency made by an American singer after his
         | name, to run (quoting) "a residential and commercial hub,
         | complete with resorts, towering condos, recording studios, a
         | stadium, and e-commerce franchises" better than a stable
         | economy made on decades of political and social progress, that
         | benefit every Senegalese citizen?
         | 
         | Wouldn't it be better to finance that progress directly instead
         | of building the SoDoSoPa of Senegal?
         | 
         | genuinely curious.
        
           | cblconfederate wrote:
           | Same reasons why a startup is better than a publicly-owned
           | company
        
             | africanboy wrote:
             | are you saying that startups are the equivalent of SoDoSoPa
             | or that NASA didn't work?
             | 
             | for example I've read that Akon financed renewable energy
             | plants in Senegal.
             | 
             | That's a great way to help!
             | 
             | Building an entire new residential city founded by a single
             | person in his own name for rich people? not so much IMO.
        
               | cblconfederate wrote:
               | nasa is not a company. I dont see something wrong with
               | startup cities. They are not for everyone nor advertised
               | as such
        
               | africanboy wrote:
               | > I dont see something wrong with startup cities. They
               | are not for everyone nor advertised as such.
               | 
               | Well, if you are building one where
               | 
               | *The economy of Senegal is driven by mining,
               | construction, tourism, fishing and agriculture, which are
               | the main sources of employment" and 75% of the population
               | lives in chronic poverty, maybe there is something more
               | urgent that could be done.
               | 
               | Unless you think that UAE and Dubai are a good example of
               | development.
        
       | bigmattystyles wrote:
       | I had a Doc Brown moment where upon reading just the headline I
       | just said 'Akon? The singer?'
        
         | imwillofficial wrote:
         | "GREAT SCOTT!"
        
       | shrubble wrote:
       | The 'miracle of Worgl, Austria' would seem to indicate that it
       | might be possible.
       | 
       | https://mises.org/library/free-money-miracle
       | 
       | If you don't like the Mises Institute there are many other
       | descriptions. The Austrian National Bank forced the end of the
       | experiment.
        
         | markwkw wrote:
         | From what i read now, this free money in the experiment had a
         | built-in mechanism to prevent hoarding, therefore being quite
         | the opposite to bitcoin in that aspect.
        
         | notahacker wrote:
         | The Worgl experiment was interesting, but as your link notes,
         | it worked on the precise opposite principle to that claimed
         | about crypto: people were paid in a [municipal] government
         | issued currency which lost value at an unusually high rate at
         | fixed intervals, and the result was that they paid their taxes
         | on time...
        
       | rvz wrote:
       | Fine. At least someone is doing something for once. Better than
       | screaming or screeching on the street for change. Just actually
       | do it.
       | 
       | I cringe at the fact many people blame 'tHE SyStEm' when it will
       | actually never change. A small investment in one of the
       | established cryptocurrency coins, may even go a long way in the
       | future.
       | 
       | It's all about what 'tHE SyStEm' doesn't tell you and
       | cryptocurrencies is some how just one of them.
        
         | the_only_law wrote:
         | > I cringe at the fact many people blame 'tHE SyStEm' when it
         | will actually never change.
         | 
         | There have been a number of "systems" throughout history, many
         | of which no longer exist. What makes you so sure that whichever
         | current one you're referring to will be permanent?
        
         | imtringued wrote:
         | The idea of creating a futuristic city in a developing country
         | is noble. The cryptocurrency idea is weird. It is primarily
         | motivated by personal wealth accumulation. In theory the money
         | could be used to fight against corruption and it would be a net
         | gain, but this can only work if you have deep trust in Akon.
         | 
         | If there are trustworthy and competent leaders in Africa, then
         | why haven't they been voted into power? It will have the same
         | effect.
        
       | imwillofficial wrote:
       | THIS is peak cypto. Akon went to jail for banging a 13 year old,
       | then released a song blaming everyone but himself for the
       | incident. He does not have a track record of good judgment.
        
       | ceilingcorner wrote:
       | The cynicism here is tiresome. Akon has done a lot of good for
       | Africa, a place which is plagued by lack of access to financial
       | systems. I hope his project works well.
        
       | arithmomachist wrote:
       | From the Akoin white paper:
       | 
       | >Akoin has chosen to only issue 10% of tokens in this public
       | sale. To accomplish this, the remaining token supply will be used
       | to drive adoption amongst merchants/vendors and to bring value to
       | the platform. The total supply of Akoin will be released over the
       | course of 4 years, with 39.41% released after 12 months, 70.12%
       | released after 24 months, 87.25% after 36 months, and 100% at 48
       | months. This is subject to change with Escrow tokens being placed
       | back into Escrow if they are not needed in the month they are
       | released.Each token allocation is subject to vesting and lock-up
       | periods except for Public Sale tokens which are available
       | immediately.
       | 
       | This sounds sketchy as hell.
        
         | bassdropvroom wrote:
         | Definitely sounds sketchy, though it still sounds more
         | legitimate than MobileCoin. At the very least Akoin has a
         | timeline of when all the coins will be released, something
         | MobileCoin has so far refused to give.
        
         | karlerss wrote:
         | "Driving adoption amongst merchants/vendors" sounds like
         | creating a self sustaining economy.
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/YAKOWcs8w54
        
       | chris_st wrote:
       | The "Flash Forward" podcast did a great episode on Akon's
       | projected cities and similar celebrity projects here [0] (you can
       | listen directly from the webpage without downloading anything).
       | Really enjoy that podcast, well researched and presented.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.flashforwardpod.com/2020/05/26/welcome-to-
       | celebr...
        
       | rdxm wrote:
       | lol.....will the bull shit never end?
        
       | tim333 wrote:
       | I'm a little skeptical how well that'll go.
       | 
       | Usually what works in Africa and the like is a slightly cheaper
       | and more rugged or simplified version of what works in the west.
       | If they manage to run a Californian city on cryptocurrency and
       | then launch a simplified version in Senegal that might work but
       | it doesn't seem the plan here.
        
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