[HN Gopher] FreeBSD 13.0
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FreeBSD 13.0
Author : 4ad
Score : 146 points
Date : 2021-04-13 18:54 UTC (4 hours ago)
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| rwaksmunski wrote:
| I applaud the removal of all the obsolete drivers and utilities.
| Let's keep it lean and mean!
| olavgg wrote:
| This release includes ZFS 2.0, + draid.
|
| I've already upgraded and is very happy with how things work.
| dddddaviddddd wrote:
| Release notes: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/
| dang wrote:
| Recent and related:
|
| _FreeBSD /arm64 becoming Tier 1 in FreeBSD 13_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26755476 - April 2021 (33
| comments)
|
| _FreeBSD 13.0 Beta1 Now Available_ -
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26051254 - Feb 2021 (110
| comments)
| wyager wrote:
| Just got this up and running. No issues so far except wireguard
| keepalive is broken for me for some reason. Very exciting to see
| Linux and FreeBSD pulling ZFS from the same upstream - I needed
| this to properly deal with encryption etc.
| zx2c4 wrote:
| Keepalive fixed in the wireguard-kmod released yesterday and
| put into ports today:
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| https://lists.zx2c4.com/pipermail/wireguard/2021-April/00661...
|
| https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=2ef23d42cbce1ed168...
| BlackLotus89 wrote:
| Since Linux became unstable on one oft my Intel Laptops (only
| this one system) (crashes, multi monitor problems,...) I wanted
| to try FreeBSD in it (Linux compatibility, zfs, ...) but the
| recent wireguard nearly merge and the following reaction [0] made
| me pause in actually trying it.
|
| I hope the developer and merge polcies aren't as headless as they
| seem.
|
| [0] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/03/buffer-overruns-
| lice...
| chungy wrote:
| FreeBSD is such an excellent operating system, I applaud all
| developers and users that have kept it going all these years.
|
| I've been toying around with it in a virtual machine since
| 13.0-RC2, in many ways it can feel like a foreign system
| (compared to my Linux background), but there are a lot of nice
| things that also make it feel "greener" on the FreeBSD side. It's
| honestly hard to understate the value of boot environments and
| the boot loader's capability to swap between them or even roll
| back to a spool checkpoint. It makes almost all upgrades and
| system changes risk-free.
| yrgulation wrote:
| It has been 15 years since i last used freebsd in a commercial
| setting. Linux since then. In many ways linux feels alien to
| me. I still default to "pkg add" in my mind before "apt get". A
| shame it didnt gain more traction, as i really loved this OS.
| Arelius wrote:
| Having come into Linux from FreeBSD, I agree, FreeBSD does feel
| "greener"
| mnd999 wrote:
| As someone who's done the same (although I'm still using
| FreeBSD on my NAS) I missed decent documentation the most. I
| felt most at home on Arch because the wiki is pretty decent.
| mvanbaak wrote:
| The man pages on FreeBSD are a lot better than on Linux.
| And you can read them without network and/or browser.
| chungy wrote:
| The Arch Wiki is alright if you run Arch, but I
| definitely prefer well-written and fully up-to-date
| manpages from the offset. For starters, it doesn't
| require me to open a web browser first; it also doesn't
| depend on me having network connectivity at any
| particular time.
|
| My take is definitely different from GP: I find FreeBSD
| to have a much better documentation story compared to
| Linux (even Arch).
| E39M5S62 wrote:
| Take a look at https://github.com/zbm-dev/zfsbootmenu/ . Full
| boot environment support for Linux, along with the ability to
| create a new environment from a snapshot in your bootloader,
| live-diff snapshots to see _when_ something changed, and even
| chroot into a boot environment to fix things.
| throw4738 wrote:
| Maybe have a look at OpenSuse, it has rollback as well and
| feels like traditional Linux.
| nix23 wrote:
| Haha no not really, i have tumbleweed installed on my laptop
| and love it BUT it's NOT traditional.
| chungy wrote:
| Last I knew, this requires OpenSUSE on btrfs. It's a pale
| shadow in functionality compared to ZFS... not to mention
| stability, too.
| nix23 wrote:
| True btrfs is BS, i have XFS with tumbleweed and pretty
| happy (on the laptop), everything else freebsd all the
| way..if i can.
| hyakosm wrote:
| Tier-1 support for ARMv8 is a great thing, I hope using it for
| Raspberry Pi or similar single-board computer.
| KozmoNau7 wrote:
| I hope that ARM[1] can become a real challenger to the
| x86-dominated server/desktop/laptop space, maybe even give us a
| bit of that vibrant environment of multiple competing platforms
| that existed in the 80s and 90s.
|
| Perhaps it's just my nostalgia speaking, but I always found it
| neat how there were x86 daughterboards for Macs and Amigas, and
| various other similar setups. A full Ryzen APU-powered PC with
| good graphics performance can easily fit on a PCIe card, which
| could slot neatly into a hypothetical ARM-powered PC, with
| access to the mainboard's resources.
|
| Use the ARM main PC for desktop and other less intensive tasks,
| and fire up the full-fat x86 daughterboard for gaming and
| number-crunching.
|
| Or maybe it would be a lot more elegant to just have good power
| management on an already powerful ARM CPU and GPU and handle
| what x86 stuff you need via emulation, but full-computer
| daughterboards are just so _neat_!
|
| [1] Or even better, RISC-V.
| jbirer wrote:
| My Thinkpad E15 Gen 2 with AMD Ryzen 4500U (Radeon Renoir
| Graphics) hangs on boot when I enable the amdgpu driver and
| disable syscon (framebuffer). Hardware support is one of the big
| things that holds FreeBSD back.
| netflixandkill wrote:
| It's anything but the largest projects really. Even mainstream
| linux support for a lot of laptops is still iffy. Too much work
| for too few people and fewer willing to pay to make it happen.
|
| It will be interesting to see if further ARM penetration into
| what was historically Windows-or-Mac only portions of the
| laptop market helps with that.
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