[HN Gopher] Lego Microscope
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       Lego Microscope
        
       Author : freddypaulo
       Score  : 347 points
       Date   : 2021-04-23 12:32 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | seesawtron wrote:
       | How about a paper based microscope developed by Manu Prakash at
       | MIT? [0] Its supposed to cost 50 Cent.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foldscope
        
         | etrautmann wrote:
         | This was developed at Stanford right? That's where Manu Prakash
         | works and that link says Stanford as well.
        
           | seesawtron wrote:
           | Studied at MIT, opened his lab at Stanford. I am unsure about
           | where the intellectual property lies.
        
             | mhb wrote:
             | _where the intellectual property lies_
             | 
             | Leeuwenhoek?
        
       | boringg wrote:
       | Great project, next one can you make an electron microscope?
        
         | Invictus0 wrote:
         | I met a guy at PennApps several years ago that built an STM
         | microscope. Pretty neat project, I went and found the link [0].
         | 
         | [0] https://devpost.com/software/angstroms-matter-imaging-atoms
        
       | kazinator wrote:
       | https://i.imgur.com/Kfc8XIW.png
       | 
       | Sorry, couldn't resist.
        
       | busyant wrote:
       | I know a chem prof who built a Lego spectrometer.
       | https://publiclab.org/wiki/lego-spectrometer
       | 
       | Legos are just wonderful.
       | 
       | edit: I know nothing about woodworking or crafting any building
       | materials, but I always wish I could perform those types of
       | projects. And whenever some potential project comes up, I think
       | to myself, "but I could build it with Legos."
        
         | jonplackett wrote:
         | Would be great if Lego jumped on board projects like both of
         | these and released them as kits.
         | 
         | They'd only need create a few 'scientific' bricks to make them
         | work. Not that different from Mindstorms.
        
           | adolph wrote:
           | Lastly will be the precision Lego 3D printer in which one may
           | print Lego compatible parts including the Lego 3D printer.
        
             | em-bee wrote:
             | oh, i am soo waiting for that. you can already print
             | compatible bricks now, but the results are not quite there
             | yet, but that's totally the future. instead of buying sets
             | in a shop i'd lofe to just print out the parts at home. one
             | nice thing is that, since the parts are so small, it's much
             | easier to deal with print failures, because reprinting a
             | broken part is much easier than reprinting a whole model.
        
         | sombremesa wrote:
         | > Legos are just wonderful.
         | 
         | One of the most fascinating things about HN is how people will
         | come out in droves to bash the environmental impact of mining
         | cryptocurrency, but legos are just wonderful - nevermind the
         | plastic waste.
         | 
         | There must be a name for this phenomenon.
         | 
         | Obviously this post will get downvoted with no real rebuttal -
         | more idiosyncracies of the quality platform that is HN.
        
           | escape_goat wrote:
           | I prefer it when the commentary on Hacker News does not
           | extend to hot takes. I am sure there are many hypocrisies to
           | be observed on HN, but you are drawing a patently false
           | equivalence between the carbon footprint of cryptocurrency,
           | which if it produces value, certainly does not do so
           | directly, and the impact of the plastic pollution caused by
           | lego pieces, one of the most heavily conserved categories of
           | plastic object in the world.
        
             | sombremesa wrote:
             | Say what you will, but any post on HN that even mentions
             | cryptocurrency in passing has an environmental alarmist as
             | the top upvoted post whereas here any such thing will be
             | downvoted to the bottom.
             | 
             | > I prefer it when the commentary on Hacker News does not
             | extend to hot takes.
             | 
             | Seems like you don't speak for the hivemind. Hot takes get
             | upvoted on the regular around here. Just not when they
             | don't conform to the echo chamber.
             | 
             | I found a name for the phenomenon that I was looking for, I
             | think.
        
           | cbsks wrote:
           | Waste?? I still have my legos from my childhood. No plastic
           | wasted here!
        
             | sombremesa wrote:
             | That plastic will outlast you, though. When considering
             | environmental impact it's prudent to look beyond a couple
             | hundred years - which I admit we suck at as humans.
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | and it will be handed to my kids and grandkids, and they
               | will pass it on. most bricks will hopefully not end up in
               | a landfill.
        
           | sephlietz wrote:
           | I don't think you need to search for a psychological
           | explanation.
           | 
           | I think it is probable that many people think the benefits of
           | Lego far outweigh the benefits of cryptocurrency mining.
        
         | Ygg2 wrote:
         | People at CERN: Hold my particle accelerator.
         | 
         | Lego: Ok.
         | 
         | https://home.cern/news/news/experiments/using-lego-study-bui...
        
         | tzs wrote:
         | > edit: I know nothing about woodworking or crafting any
         | building materials, but I always wish I could perform those
         | types of projects. And whenever some potential project comes
         | up, I think to myself, "but I could build it with Legos."
         | 
         | I bought a case for the Raspberry Pi camera that has a LEGO-
         | compatible back and a small LEGO set (10692) specifically for
         | making things to hold the camera where I want it. It has worked
         | great.
         | 
         | Question for LEGO geeks: my set only has one L-bracket, and it
         | is quite small. Looking at other sets at local stores, they
         | also only have one or two small L-brackets.
         | 
         | Is there some way other than L-brackets that people use when
         | they want some LEGO assembly to connect perpendicularly to some
         | other assembly?
         | 
         | Or should I just order an assortment of brackets from a third-
         | party LEGO brick marketplace site, like this [1].
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catStrin...
        
           | pbhjpbhj wrote:
           | You can put a flat Lego piece perpendicular between two rows
           | of studs. I don't think it's quite as secure as having an
           | L-bracket though.
        
             | em-bee wrote:
             | it also stretches the studs apart a tad to much, so it's
             | not recommended.
        
             | tzs wrote:
             | That's almost what I ended up doing, except rather than
             | putting the flat piece between two rows of studs, I put it
             | on top of the studs and had adjacent stacks to stabilize
             | it.
             | 
             | Two flat pieces back to back are very very close to the
             | width between the sides of two rows of bricks separated by
             | one row of empty studs.
             | 
             | Here is a photo [1]. Here it is with the three top braces
             | and the cable holder removed so you can see everything [2].
             | 
             | This the LEGO compatible case I'm using for the camera [3].
             | 
             | [1] https://imgur.com/a/ggNe5uM
             | 
             | [2] https://imgur.com/a/jz525N7
             | 
             | [3] https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F19WI0O/
        
           | wongarsu wrote:
           | In addition to brackets also consider hinges [1], like the
           | standard 1x2 hinge [2] or for higher load a combination of
           | e.g. [3] and [4]. There are also various solutions using
           | Technic parts.
           | 
           | I'd honestly just order what you need from bricklink.
           | Alternatively get used Lego by weight from ebay. Around here
           | you get a kilogram of unsorted, good quality Lego for EUR20.
           | 
           | 1:
           | https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?catType=P&catID=22
           | 
           | 2: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=39
           | 37...
           | 
           | 3: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=30
           | 36...
           | 
           | 4: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=30
           | 38...
        
           | blacksmith_tb wrote:
           | This pattern is what people call 'SNOT'[1]. As my 10yr old
           | has moved up to more complex sets, the percentage of those
           | increases, sicne they allow designers to achieve different
           | effects. I would personally recommend the 1x2 or 1x4 blocks
           | with studs on one side, those are fairly sturdy.
           | 
           | 1: https://swooshable.com/snot
        
         | Dachande663 wrote:
         | Please note, the plural form of LEGO is LEGO, not Legos. As per
         | LEGO themselves[0].
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://twitter.com/lego_group/status/842115345280294912?lan...
        
           | jerf wrote:
           | The Lego corporation is welcome to care about that for
           | trademark reasons, but the rest of us don't really have a
           | need to do so. "Legos" is clearly in common usage, failure to
           | YELL ABOUT LEGO IN ALL CAPS and all.
        
             | retSava wrote:
             | Ugh Lego and trademarks. My wife and I had Lego threaten to
             | sue us for trying to import "legos" of mass destruction, it
             | seems. We ordered a lego-compatible kit, which is ok I
             | think, since it's only the lego figure that is patented
             | Lego, the logo and name of course trademarked to Lego, and
             | any brand cooperation to respective rights holders (eg Star
             | Wars).
             | 
             | However, a kit without Lego names or logos, and without
             | Lego-figures, and without any branding or copy of existing
             | Lego-kit, should be ok.
             | 
             | But no. In some way, our customs withheld the package and
             | we had lawyers for Lego threaten to sue us if we claimed
             | rights to the package. They attached the Lego figure patent
             | with the threat. We said, burn it, forget it, and
             | acknowledge that we can sleep at night again please, but
             | they forgot the last part.
             | 
             | It was a kit worth about 10EUR, and we have hundreds of
             | EUR's of Lego. Now we've stopped buying Lego. Also, less
             | plastic crap.
             | 
             | Not to sound bitter, but the big friggin majority of kids
             | toys industry is shit and the world would be a better place
             | without it. Sorry for the steam :S.
        
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               | jacquesm wrote:
               | You're right to be bitter, especially so because Lego has
               | a pretty sordid history in this respect, the only reason
               | they exist is because the founder copied someone else's
               | IP and made a bundle of money on it. At the root of every
               | great fortune there is a great crime. Oh, and the
               | original inventor committed suicide. Those little
               | details.
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | the patent for the lego figure is expired too. they still
               | have a 3d design mark on the figure which bluebrixx is
               | working now to overturn.
               | 
               | you tried to privately import a single box? i can
               | understand lego going against commercial importers, but
               | private shipments of individuals who don't have any
               | resources to defend themselves, that's just ridiculous.
               | 
               |  _However, a kit without Lego names or logos, and without
               | Lego-figures, and without any branding or copy of
               | existing Lego-kit, should be ok._
               | 
               | and they are. but you have to make the effort to defend
               | yourself against the accusations, which a commercial
               | importer can do, but it's totally unfair to put that on
               | individuals for a single set.
               | 
               | which set exactly did you try to import?
               | 
               | there are a few large importers in germany, you may
               | consider those. avoids the hassle...
        
             | eigenket wrote:
             | Where are you from? In Britain I'm pretty sure I've never
             | heard anyone say "Legos", it sounds very American to me.
        
               | jerf wrote:
               | My main point here is that you probably don't run around
               | saying LEGO, in all caps, not singular vs plural.
               | 
               | I understand why the LEGO corporation does it, but it's
               | their problem, not ours, and we don't really need unpaid
               | lego consultants running around lecturing people about
               | the "correct" way to refer to them.
        
               | eigenket wrote:
               | Yeah I was just surprised by the assertion that
               | 
               | >"Legos" is clearly in common usage
               | 
               | Given that I don't ever hear people using it.
               | 
               | Personally I get faintly annoyed by people saying "legos"
               | the same as I would by people saying "sheeps" instead of
               | sheep when referring to multiple, although I don't think
               | I've ever corrected anyone over it.
        
               | munificent wrote:
               | _> Given that I don 't ever hear people using it._
               | 
               | I certainly do. The people around you are not a uniform
               | sample of all communities on Earth.
        
               | eigenket wrote:
               | That was exactly my point. The guy was saying people
               | shouldn't correct an "incorrect" thing which is in common
               | usage, but I was trying to emphasise that it isn't common
               | usage everywhere.
        
               | hprotagonist wrote:
               | i remember being galled by it in the late 80s, so this
               | debate, at least, has been going on for some time.
        
               | 1024core wrote:
               | > My main point here is that you probably don't run
               | around saying LEGO, in all caps, not singular vs plural.
               | 
               | WHAT? DOESN'T EVERYBODY SHOUT WHEN THEY SAY LEGO??
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | we do when we step on them
        
               | frosted-flakes wrote:
               | I think it's fairly obvious why they want people to refer
               | to them as a brand--they don't want to lose their
               | trademark. If LEGO becomes so generic as to lose its
               | association with the company that created it, then they
               | lose out to all of the copycat companies. Velcro has done
               | the same ("hook and loop, one side's a hook, the other's
               | a loop"...).
        
               | mitchdoogle wrote:
               | Strange because as an American I've almost always heard
               | to them referred as Legos. As a kid, my friends and I
               | said, "let's play with Legos". My parents would say " get
               | these legos off the floor". Seems odd to me to think of
               | these phrases without the "s" on lego
        
               | eigenket wrote:
               | I have a pet theory - in north america you have a popular
               | snack called an eggo (pluralised to eggos) thats
               | basically a waffle.
               | 
               | I think americans started calling lego legos because they
               | were already calling eggos eggos. In the uk and europe
               | generally we don't have eggos, so we don't have legos.
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | the catchphrase from the advertisement is "leggo my
               | eggo", where leggo means "let go" which can't have an s
               | appended. i have never had them so i am not sure, but i
               | don't think they are that popular, and i haven't seem
               | them referred to in plural
        
               | gbear605 wrote:
               | As a kid, I heard people say the phrase "legos my eggos",
               | (since the "leggo" had lost al of its association with
               | "let go").
        
               | j4yav wrote:
               | Please, the Eggo corporation would prefer you refer to
               | them as one EGGO or multiple EGGO waffles (tm)
        
               | eigenket wrote:
               | Interestingly the company initially wanted people to call
               | them "Froffles", but people apparently called them
               | "eggos" due to the fact that they taste eggy. Then the
               | company changed the name to "eggo" to reflect that.
               | 
               | I checked the wiki page and thought the contrast between
               | the two approaches is interesting.
        
               | greenwich26 wrote:
               | More likely, the Americans lengthen the e in the first
               | syllable into almost a diphthong, like /eI/, and shorten
               | the "o" in the second syllable into a schwa kind of sound
               | that can comfortably be followed by /z/. Meanwhile, in
               | British and many European accents, the first syllable is
               | short and strongly stressed /e/, and the o is /oU/, and
               | you can't add an s without contorting your mouth in some
               | horrible way. Which is why British people are so
               | disgusted by "Legos". Try saying it with an American
               | accent.
        
               | unbalancedevh wrote:
               | As an American who grew up playing with and saying
               | "legos," I've never heard anyone pronounce it the way
               | you're suggesting.
        
               | eigenket wrote:
               | Yeah thats probably a more reasonable explanation than my
               | theory. On the other hand its pretty common to say silos,
               | speedos (both for swimwear and slang for a speedometer)
               | and flamingos in British english and they have very
               | similar endings.
        
               | tragomaskhalos wrote:
               | It seems to be a fairly clear-cut geographical divide -
               | Americans always pluralise, Britons never do. Without
               | knowing but based on other lexical splits, I'd expect the
               | majority of the rest of the Anglophone world to follow
               | British usage, with Canada going either one way or the
               | other. Usually Americans can cite 17c usage as a
               | precedent - not in this case !
        
             | em-bee wrote:
             | you are of course right, and people have been trying to get
             | the word lego to be used as a common term for all lego
             | compatible bricks, but that's dangerous as for now lego can
             | stop anyone from publishing anything about alternative
             | brands using the term lego. so they have to avoid doing
             | that or will get in trouble. better to avoid the term lego
             | altogether and just call them bricks.
        
               | shoefindortz3 wrote:
               | You might not really need to avoid using the term in a
               | way that is understood by the general public. There are
               | quite a few (United States) precedents for losing
               | trademark if a term becomes genericized. For example:
               | Asprin, Escalator, Flip Phone, etc.
               | 
               | There is a wikipedia list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
               | List_of_generic_and_genericize...
        
               | dividedbyzero wrote:
               | I use "bricks" (or the very neat tearm "Klemmbausteine"
               | in German) in any context where Lego legal might want to
               | interfere, and stick to Lego/Legos otherwise. It's a
               | common term beyond any reasonable doubt by now, and
               | corporations really shouldn't pry their greedy tentacles
               | that deeply into everyday life.
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | right, i have a hard time avoiding the term lego at home
               | with my kids too. the main problem for me though is that
               | i am quite disappointed with how lego treats competitors
               | that i just don't want to promote the lego brand anymore.
               | 
               | btw: german seems to have developed two terms. i don't
               | know where it originated, but bluebrixx (and i don't know
               | who else) uses the term "noppensteine".
               | 
               | we'll have to see which term becomes more popular. both
               | are descriptive, but "noppen" is a rather rarely used
               | word which feels a bit wierd when you are not used to it.
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | incanus77 wrote:
           | Jesus, I'm gonna stop reading comments on LEGO posts here
           | since every time there is a grammar war.
           | 
           | I and everyone I know has been calling them LEGOs since I was
           | a kid in the 70s; that's good enough for me.
        
           | throwaway287391 wrote:
           | Even you're misconstruing their recommendation. "LEGO is
           | always an adjective" implies there is no plural form, because
           | there is no noun to begin with. You're supposed to say "LEGO
           | brick(s)", apparently...
        
           | fnord77 wrote:
           | I don't think we should allow corporations to dictate how we
           | use language.
        
       | tkahnoski wrote:
       | Anyone know of an alternative site to buy bare lenses? Trying to
       | find something where I wouldn't fork over the international
       | shipping fees.
        
         | skeletonjelly wrote:
         | As an Australian I share your issues! Interested to see if
         | there's any responses
        
       | MarkusWandel wrote:
       | Note how this is built in the "stacked" method, i.e. old school
       | Lego. Even with technical parts, this was uniquely accessible. My
       | proudest achievement was a smooth running, jamproof pump for
       | elevating marbles; you can see it from about 0:27 in this old
       | camcorder video:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/Mw3dUbRfMSw?t=24
       | 
       | These Legos encouraged engineering thinking all the way and were
       | the defining toy of my childhood.
       | 
       | Modern Legos are stunning. Look, for example, for the Rubik's
       | cube solve machine that can twist a (lubricated) cube to
       | completion in a few seconds. However they're no longer stacked
       | from bottom to top; they're built "inside out" and the best tool
       | to come up with a design for them is probably a CAD program.
       | Stunning results for those who have put in the time, but not so
       | encouraging for tinkerers just starting out. So it's nice to
       | still see "old school" stuff being built.
        
         | app4soft wrote:
         | JFTR, There are few other projects on Lego-based microscope
         | design on GitHub[0], for example _IBM 's MiscroscoPy_[1].
         | 
         | [0]
         | https://github.com/search/?o=desc&q=lego+microscope&s=update...
         | 
         | [1] https://github.com/IBM/MicroscoPy
        
       | napolux wrote:
       | what's the magnification of this? I see 100u from the video, but
       | is there any measurement?
        
         | notanote wrote:
         | From the paper:
         | 
         | For the high-magnification objective we find M = 254x. For the
         | low-magnification objective we find M = 27x.
        
       | robochat wrote:
       | This reminds me of the Lego seismometer:
       | 
       | https://mindsetsonline.co.uk/shop/lego-seismometer-kit/
        
       | jimmySixDOF wrote:
       | Back in 2017 I supported a Kickstarter for Foldscope - The
       | Origami-inspired Paper Microscope. I got a classroom package and
       | they are still in use for all I know.
       | 
       | Foldscope is analog and priced to fit low income countries STEM
       | needs but this Lego hack is nice too.
       | 
       | [1] https://www.foldscope.com/
        
         | kuu wrote:
         | Interesting. It's a pity that shipment costs to my country
         | multiply the price by 5 :\
        
           | snypher wrote:
           | Yes, even $10 for the paper microscope is too much. It was
           | designed to be cheap to increase access to instruments and
           | make them more likely to be used. Selling them in this way
           | really makes me wonder where the profit goes. For comparison
           | I have a Carson Microbrite 60x-120x and it was $12.
           | 
           | Edit: as an aside, how do they have discontinued items in
           | their store that are for 'international' orders only?
        
             | whoisburbansky wrote:
             | I was under the impression that the individual kits are
             | sold for much more in order to be able to fund subsidized
             | kits for classrooms.
        
         | imagineerschool wrote:
         | Thank you! I have used Foldscopes with my students and had SO
         | MUCH FUN!
        
       | evanb wrote:
       | Here's a functional all-Lego microscope:
       | https://ideas.lego.com/projects/fcce15cd-27e0-405b-990b-681b...
       | 
       | No non-Lego pieces; even the lenses are Lego minifig-scale
       | magnifying glasses.
       | 
       | Unfortunately, it didn't get enough backers in time to advance to
       | production.
        
         | jonplackett wrote:
         | The downside being that the 'through microscope' image just
         | looks like a badly enlarged version of what you can see on the
         | slide...
        
         | jayceedenton wrote:
         | This is fantastic. There are some incredible ideas on that site
         | and this microscope is a good example of an expert model maker
         | using their creativity to work _with_ the constraints of the
         | Lego.
         | 
         | Lego seems to provide just the right amount creative control
         | whilst still imposing its own rules and limitations. You see
         | tiny models that express the character of the subject so well,
         | often by using blocks in unexpected ways to create the subtlest
         | hint of a form. The end result has so much charm but requires
         | great skill.
         | 
         | That site led me to this working piano:
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dM7kj5XI_HY
         | 
         | Well, I guess it's silent, but it has the mechanics. Wow.
        
       | Tabular-Iceberg wrote:
       | I wonder if it would hold any weight in the dispute if he claimed
       | the brick was not actually a Lego brick, but one of the numerous
       | perfectly legal stud-compatible knock-offs.
        
       | foreigner wrote:
       | Pity you still need non-lego lenses though. Can anybody come up
       | with a way to avoid that? Perhaps something based on the
       | principles of a Camera Obscura?
        
         | em-bee wrote:
         | try this:
         | 
         | https://rebrickable.com/mocs/MOC-4627/Nico71/lego-microscope...
         | 
         | it uses a water drop as a lens.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | bombcar wrote:
         | From another comment:
         | https://ideas.lego.com/projects/fcce15cd-27e0-405b-990b-681b...
        
         | pachico wrote:
         | Why a pity? Why the obsession of putting the money in only one
         | pocket even at the great cost of losing the concept of hacking
         | you way through it?
         | 
         | I think it's great that you can use piece of all sorts and I'd
         | encourage everyone to follow the same principle.
        
       | exar0815 wrote:
       | Risky. They will most probably be hit with a cease and desist by
       | Lego because it is Lego, and by Apple for unauthorized use of
       | Apple parts.
       | 
       | On a more serious notez absolutely great project!
        
         | rozab wrote:
         | There is a huge market for unofficial sets (MOCs) which Lego
         | has always allowed to exist. Distributing instructions is
         | definitely fine.
         | 
         | https://buildamoc.com/
        
         | offtop5 wrote:
         | Why though.
         | 
         | You need to physically buy Legos for this project. It's not
         | like their showing how to print Legos
        
           | em-bee wrote:
           | the patents for lego bricks have long expired, so anyone can
           | copy them, which is why we are now seeing many alternative
           | lego compatible brands, because they are in fact legal.
           | 
           | what is not legal is to clone the exact models that lego
           | produces, and to pretend that a clone is lego, which it
           | isn't. but as long as the alternative brands come up with
           | their own models they are perfectly legitimate.
           | 
           | as for this microscope, it's not even a product, just a
           | design, there are websites where these designs are shared,
           | and even sold (without the bricks which you have to acquire
           | separately). you can even upload your own designs to a lego
           | ideas site where you can promote it and ask lego to sell it
           | as a model.
        
           | lostgame wrote:
           | Not to be _that_ person, but it 's 'LEGO', whether singular
           | or plural. I used to work for LEGO and they would take this
           | really seriously.
           | 
           | Similar to 'deer', one LEGO brick is one LEGO brick. A pile
           | of LEGO bricks is still a pile of LEGO bricks. :)
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/lego_group/status/842115345280294912
        
             | dsr_ wrote:
             | LEGO fan for 40+ years here, last set purchased a couple of
             | weeks ago. Don't bother doing this.
             | 
             | - People who care will notice that other people who care
             | use the term appropriately, and will do it themselves.
             | 
             | - People who don't care won't, and will be annoyed if you
             | correct them.
             | 
             | You can use the difference as a shibboleth.
        
             | InitialLastName wrote:
             | LEGO (the company)has to take it seriously because they
             | have to defend their trademark. Likewise, the manufacturer
             | of hook-and-loop fabric closures has to be very clear [0]
             | when a hook-and-loop fabric closure is their product or
             | not, but lay-people are happy to call them all Velcro.
             | 
             | [0] https://www.velcro.com/about-us/trademark-guidelines/
             | 
             | Edit: pronouns not my game
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | i think you meant to say "their trademark"
        
               | InitialLastName wrote:
               | Yeah fixed.
        
               | detaro wrote:
               | How is that relevant to the plural case?
        
             | spijdar wrote:
             | Like someone mentioned in another thread (edit: and another
             | reply written while I typed this), LEGO the company cares
             | about this for trademark reasons -- they don't want the
             | word to become generic and lose trademark protections.
             | 
             | In the US, I've never actually heard someone use the
             | "correct" plural, everyone just says "Legos", which makes
             | it reasonably correct IMO. That said, I've heard "LEGO"
             | plural occasionally in Europe, more people seem to care
             | across the pond.
        
         | blackoil wrote:
         | Sued for making things with Lego!! That would be ironic.
        
         | jayfk wrote:
         | It wouldn't surprise me if they get sued by lego:
         | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6623789/Lego-sues-Y...
        
           | OldTimeCoffee wrote:
           | You've linked a Daily Mail story with a baseless assertion
           | and LEGO themselves said it was because of the logo of the
           | store. The story has the owner of the store holding up a
           | t-shirt of the logo such that it's somewhat obscured and the
           | remaining focus is on the store itself.
        
             | em-bee wrote:
             | this guy unfortunately did make some mistakes. he did
             | change his logo though, but he later got in trouble again
             | for not clearly distinguishing between lego and compatible
             | brands.
             | 
             | however lego has been very heavy handed in dealing with him
             | and others, causing him to choose to stop selling any lego
             | in his store, focusing on alternative brands only.
             | 
             | lego is trying to prevent competing brands to sell their
             | models at all costs. currently they are fighting bluebrixx
             | and johnny's world, who are both large german importers of
             | alternative brands on the basis of the similarity of their
             | minifigures, while those minifigures are not similar at all
             | (except for the fact that they have the expected body parts
             | and are compatible with lego bricks)
        
             | pantalaimon wrote:
             | Well he stopped selling LEGO after that and is now
             | promoting LEGO alternatives which do have a better price /
             | quality ratio.
             | 
             | That LEGO tries to push any competition out of the market
             | with shady legal tactics (e.g. claiming minifigures appear
             | too similar even though they clearly feature different
             | proportions and characteristics) while at the same time
             | hiking prices leaves a bad taste.
        
               | em-bee wrote:
               | indeed. fortunately bluebrixx is now attempting to get
               | the lego 3d design mark of their minifigures invalidated.
               | not because bluebrix wants to sell minifigure clones, but
               | because lego is using their 3d mark as basis for their
               | claim that any other minifigures even dissimilar ones
               | would violate that mark. bluebrix believes that they have
               | a good chance to be successful.
        
       | cbsudux wrote:
       | This is a great project!
        
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