[HN Gopher] Dan Kaminsky has died ___________________________________________________________________ Dan Kaminsky has died Author : rincebrain Score : 727 points Date : 2021-04-24 14:25 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (twitter.com) (TXT) w3m dump (twitter.com) | haik90 wrote: | you'll be missed Dan Kaminsky | kchoudhu wrote: | Oh no. | nly wrote: | A shock for sure. I'm sure he will be sorely missed to all of us | who attend CCC. | | You can see many of his CCC talks here: | | https://media.ccc.de/search/?q=Dan+Kaminsky | dominicjj wrote: | Apart from the DNS cache poisoning attack, Dan did some vital | followup work on the Sony CD rootkit discovered by Mark | Russinovich. Sony's early defence was that it wouldn't affect the | Internet. Dan showed using DNS caches that it had already | affected over half a million networks on the Internet: | https://web.archive.org/web/20080423212131/http://www.wired.... | | A smart man and a nice man. RIP. | [deleted] | awkwardquestion wrote: | Anyone here can reveal how he died? | | Just curious on what exactly happened. | ivanmontillam wrote: | I'm curious too. So sad he died and I'm totally in shock. | allturtles wrote: | The tweet says "Please keep speculation to yourself and be | respectful of his family and friends." To me that reads as | suicide. | edoceo wrote: | you didn't even follow the ask of the tweet you quoted. TF? | allturtles wrote: | No, I don't think it's a reasonable request. The best way | to forestall speculation is to just say what happened. | Presumably his family already knows so it's not going to | shock them. | DanBC wrote: | > Presumably his family already knows | | That's a bit of an assumption. Working out how someone | died can be tricky. | M2Ys4U wrote: | >Presumably his family already knows so it's not going to | shock them. | | Or only _some_ of his family know, and it may be best | that for those that haven 't heard yet the best people to | tell them would be the other family members that do know. | edoceo wrote: | or you could respect the families wishes, instead of | prioritizing your curiosity. | elite_haxor wrote: | "Follow the ask"...? | | Do you really talk like that? | luxuryballs wrote: | or drug overdose or vaccine side effect or private health | condition... so many things could be speculated, I think they | probably just mean that friends and family won't want to | see/read the speculation comments, regardless of what it is | (but especially if it's controversial) | daveguy wrote: | Vaccine side effect? Seriously? About 1000x more likely to | be covid itself. | luxuryballs wrote: | yea it was an example supporting the reason why I think | they suggested not to speculate, sounds like it must have | been a good example :) | catblast01 wrote: | Unfortunately this is always an unrealistic request for | anyone with a public profile. Those that have no desire to | speculate won't, and it's not going to stop the curious. | Frankly I tend to agree it is moreover an unreasonable | request as long as no one is actively invading the privacy | of the family. | yownie wrote: | Him along with Aaron Schwartz, two great hackers cut down too | early. | ModernMech wrote: | It's Aaron Swartz fyi. | rishabhd wrote: | RIP Dan, he was a legend. | jka wrote: | My memory of Dan is seeing him speak on-stage at SF security | b-sides, some time in the mid 2010s. | | He'd enjoyed a few drinks by the point he spoke to everyone, and | the resulting honesty (accompanied by what I sensed as | trepidation from the audience, about seeing a respected speaker | in a vulnerable state) left a mark on me. | | He was right: software security nowadays is a swiss-cheese mess, | and the industry isn't addressing it. | | His speech instructed me and perhaps others in the audience to | deal with that new reality and adjust to it. It's tough for the | original hacker / cypherpunk / purist mentality to adjust to. But | it's where we are now, and it's a mindset that'll never die even | if all of us that subscribe to it do. | | RIP Dan. | rurban wrote: | His last twitter activity was April 18 | fortran77 wrote: | His final tweet: | | https://twitter.com/dakami/status/1383978072655818753 | tlb wrote: | What a shame. I had many enjoyable conversations with him over | the years at various events. He was a hacker's hacker and | gentleman. | j3th9n wrote: | "Of the seven Recovery Key Shareholders who possess the ability | to restore the DNS root keys, Dan is the American | representative." -https://dankaminsky.com/bio/ | melb-un-er wrote: | Oh no! I met Dan during my time first working on DNS in 2008. He | came to many of us with the cache poisoning bug he discovered and | pulled us together to address the vulnerabilities before it | became public. I remember thinking thank god this guy is using | his powers for good, because the damage he could easily do would | be significant. After that I ran into him numerous times over the | years, at conferences and airports (we seemed to always be | leaving or arriving from different places at the same time), and | he was always so kind, interesting and interested. I feel lucky | to have known him. The works is a sadder, emptier place today. | randomhodler84 wrote: | Dan is a legend and great defender of the internet. His research | made us safer, and his guidance made us more secure. We will miss | you Dan, and may your memory and spirit resolve and soar through | the clouds. | rdl wrote: | Dan was basically the best example of "infectious enthusiasm" | combined with being really smart and interested in a lot of | stuff. He was one of the first "security people" who got | interested in bitcoin as a network, plus all his DNS stuff, and a | lot of other things. He's going to be missed by a lot of people | around the world for a long time. | Dieselroar88 wrote: | Dan was a wonderful human. I truly cannot believe that he took | the time to help create something with me. | | Absolutely god damn heart breaking. | | A wonderful reminder that true brilliance and humanity can | coexist. | | Thank you for everything | sillysaurusx wrote: | I'm shocked. I didn't know Dan except via Twitter. What happened? | | He was so curious about everything that it caught my attention, | and I'm not just saying that. He pointed out how good the GPT-Neo | samples were, which I hadn't seen before. | | I didn't know he was anything except an enthusiastic person | interested in AI. He even tried to help me with my M1 build of | tensorflow. | https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3Adakami%20to%3Atheshawwn&... | | I'll miss him. | floatingatoll wrote: | Regarding your question, the link above answers it: "Please | keep speculation to yourself and be respectful of his family | and friends." | sillysaurusx wrote: | I was just in mild shock. I clicked through his Twitter | profile and saw his icon, and my heart dropped. | | Perhaps appreciate the people around you, I suppose. Never | know when they'll be the last words you exchange with them. | edgan wrote: | He will be dearly missed. :( | | He gave the best Defcon talks. | cyberlab wrote: | You can watch one of his talks here: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAGwol-keXM and here: | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xneBjc8z0DE | | He always had a certain _eccentricity_ to him. I never met him in | person. He always was the prototypical nerd judging from his | talks and mannerisms. | acdha wrote: | I briefly met him at Toorcon in the early 2000s and was | impressed with how he combined that eccentricity with high- | energy: if the internet didn't get more secure, it wasn't for | lack of trying on his part. | rincebrain wrote: | For the interested, someone [1] is putting together a | collection of videos of him, so you can probably find a whole | lot more in the replies to that thread even if you don't wait | for the playlist to be made. | | [1] - | https://twitter.com/thedarktangent/status/138595909778312806... | toomuchtodo wrote: | That's the founder of DEFCON and Black Hat. | saul_goodman wrote: | Damn. Fuck. | ChrisMarshallNY wrote: | I did not know him (but I have heard his name for years), but, | from the comments here, I feel that the industry has lost a great | humanitarian, as well as a skilled and talented person. | | So sorry for the loss. | borski wrote: | 'dang, can we get a black bar for Dan? I can't think of many | people who deserve it more. | ryan-c wrote: | I remember attending Dan Kaminsky's talk at DEFCON 12 and being | blown away by it. Three years later, I went on the original | "Hackers on a Plane" trip and ended up seated next to Dan on one | of the flights. We quickly became friends. His mentorship over | the years had an enormous impact on me. | | We both went back to CCCamp in 2011. I excitedly told him about a | reverse DNS scanning project (0.0.0.0/0 in 12 hours on AWS for | like $50), and then we ended up talking about the Debian RNG bug | and password security, walking around camp watching the lightning | in the distance. | | When I was doing my original brainwallet research back in 2013 | and cracked the woodchuck wallet the first thing I did after | showing my ex (then girlfriend) was call him. I told him I'd | found something but didn't feel comfortable discussing over the | phone. He invited me over. | | My ex and I hopped on BART headed into SF and met him at the loft | he was living at above a motorcycle shop. We talked and carefully | planned and then I accidentally made 250 BTC vanish. | | Dan looked at me and said "[my ex] and I are going to go for a | walk and return with burritos. You're going to calm down and have | this fixed by the time we get back. It'll be okay." | | It was, and I did. I'd simply forgotten about change addresses | for a brief moment of terror. | | I think the first time he mentioned wanting to hire me was a few | months later at a Bitcoin conference in San Jose. He believed in | me. I went on to work alongside him at White Ops (now known as | Human Security) in 2014. He brought me on stage with him at | DEFCON that year. | | He spent a lot of time helping me put together a CFP submission | about my brainwallet research for DEFCON the following year and | then helped me put together slides, rehearse, and had a | professional help me refine everything. I couldn't have done it | without him. | | My wedding was about six weeks before DEFCON - Dan showed up in | an Uber, about an hour late. He explained that he'd confused | Menlo Park for Morgan Hill when planning to leave. I was just | thrilled to have him there. | | Dan was a supportive friend, a great mentor, and a delightful | colleague. I really can't overstate what a positive impact he had | on my life. It's hard to believe he's really gone. That I'll | never get to swap stories about our respective side projects with | him again. | | I miss him. | | https://rya.nc/threads/dakami-eulogy.html | | https://twitter.com/ryancdotorg/status/1385989257638993922 | DeleGiwa wrote: | Rest in Peace Dan Kaminsky | | https://www.theartsofentertainment.com/dan-kaminsky-death-da... | andrewnicolalde wrote: | Wow... I remember recreating his DNS cache poisoning attack in | one of the courseworks I did in my second year of university. I | always thought it was incredibly clever... | quakeguy wrote: | I did too, and it makes me so sad to read the news just now. | sneak wrote: | Dan always went out of his way to do nice things based on his | resources and connections to benefit me, when he totally didn't | need to. A lot of the great things and people in my life came | from him. | | The world is worse off without him. | [deleted] | burtonator wrote: | This really hits me hard. Dan was the kind of guy you read about | and were almost intimidated by his work. Then you met the guy and | realized he's just an awesome guy. | | This just insanely sad. I'm really sick of hearing about my | friends passing - especially when they're brilliant. | [deleted] | jpgvm wrote: | Loss of a legend, CCC and Blackhat will never be the same. | sakebomb wrote: | You will deeply be missed @dakami | 0xbadcafebee wrote: | Aw poop. Nicest guy I ever met in the hacker scene. Sending best | wishes and love to his friends and family. | bitexploder wrote: | I first met Dan on Slashdot over 20 years ago. Over a decade | after I first met him on Slashdot I got into information security | and had the opportunity to share a few meals and hangout with Dan | now and again. His natural curiosity about all technology is what | I always will remember about Dan. He was such a good | technologist. RIP. | | Edit: plus watching him and tqbf argue on Twitter about stuff was | always fun. | psaux wrote: | Dan was a great soul and genius, this is very sad to hear. Dan | made life fun, my stomach would hurt from laughing so hard with | him. I am looking over our chats, and found a video he sent me | that I can't stop watching. He was working on streaming VM state | to the cloud and decided a mouse wasn't fun, so busted out a | turntable to control it in realtime. It totally worked and was | way better! He even starts making record scratching sounds. I | love how someone posted the DEFCON shot of his nap, that made me | smile! Remember those moments of joy. | | Much love to his family and friends. | [deleted] | Rafuino wrote: | I met him at Defcon 21 and ran across him again when I was | running a developer hardware access project in my last job just a | couple years back. He struck me as incredibly curious (as a | hacker must be!) and was a pleasure to work with. The friends who | introduced me to him at Defcon are devastated for a reason... | rest in peace. | atdrummond wrote: | Could we respect the wish of those close to the deceased to keep | speculation as to the cause of death private? | idlewords wrote: | It's human nature and not reprehensible to wonder what happened | when someone you care about dies. | atdrummond wrote: | I don't think anyone questioning is reprehensible. I simply | don't think it's too much to ask to keep that discussion to | less public channels in the aftermath of his death, as it's a | fairly reasonable and low burden request. | awkwardquestion wrote: | No. It is not their place to try to restrain the curiosity of | others. | jtbayly wrote: | If they don't want speculation, they need to give facts. | Otherwise all we have is wondering, which naturally leads to | speculation. | | I don't mind them not giving facts. I just think it's silly to | not give facts and then tell people not to speculate. | alisonkisk wrote: | There's nothing silly about requesting decent behavior, even | if not everyone will agree to the request. | FDSGSG wrote: | A reasonable wish, but it's hardly surprising that such a | request is only going to invite more speculation. | fidesomnes wrote: | no. right to know. | leethacker3 wrote: | Suicide or drugs? I'm betting drugs | Lethabow wrote: | Died yesterday. RIP | https://www.latestnewssouthafrica.com/2021/04/24/security-re... | billyhoffman wrote: | I met Dan at FooCamp in 2004. I was a college kid at the time and | a weekend event of people like Larry Wall or Ester Dyson was | super intimidating. | | I was feeling a little isolated and lonely when I saw this guy in | a black 2600 tshirt over by the "FooBar" bar and thought "finally | someone I can talk to!" He was so welcoming and engaging it broke | the ice and made the whole weekend worth it. We started talking | about tunneling various protocols over DNS and ended up doing a | midnight stroll with Fyodor all around Sevastopol looking for | "interesting" things. | | That's the kind of guy Dan was. Everyone felt his warmth. | | Dan was a rare mix of genius with an over the top personality. | Seeing what crazy RFC-bending project Dan was doing was one of | the best things about going out to Blackhat, DEFCON, or RSA. He | is easily one of the best presenters I've ever seen: a perfect | blend of compelling story, esoteric tech details, and those | classic Dan mischievous grins. | | I will miss you dearly Dan | vabmit wrote: | RIP, Dan. I work with a lot of very smart people. So, I've gotten | a bit used to it and don't normally find myself in awe of many | people's intelligence. Dan was a person that I was absolutely in | awe of. The fist time I met him very long ago (almost 20 years), | he showed me code he wrote to share movies through abused DNS | slaves... building a p2p network like Napser/Gnutella from the | technology. No one had ever thought of such a thing. I don't | think anyone else in the world knew DNS well enough to be | inspired to think of it. He was so kind and friendly to everyone. | It was fun to talk with him about tech/security because he had | such enthusiasm and excitement... like a little kid on Christmas | or a puppy. :) I learned a lot from him. I have nothing but great | memories of him. I remember once when someone hacked him. He even | took that in good humor and didn't let it bother him. | mmaunder wrote: | RIP Dan. | | https://youtu.be/RAGwol-keXM | lawrenceyan wrote: | Through it all, there were those who fought valiantly against the | tsunami of fakery and fabrication, generating new methods and | protocols to hold back the tide undermining consensus reality. | | Rest in peace Dan. | alisonkisk wrote: | The tweet is a strange announcement. Usually an announcement like | this is by or refers to next of kin sharing the news. | | Is Marc Rogers Dan's family, or close friend? | hedgehog wrote: | Marc is among other things longtime DEFCON staff. | omnibrain wrote: | ;( | | @dang can we get a black bar please? | matznerd wrote: | +1 | samgranieri wrote: | I agree with @omnibrain here and second his request. @dang, can | we get a black bar? | gauravphoenix wrote: | Third | aestetix wrote: | agreed as well | Tomte wrote: | And if any of you had simply e-mailed dang, it might have | already happened. | jonbaer wrote: | +1 | QUFB wrote: | Peak HN 2021: No black bar, and downvotes for the suggestion. | adfm wrote: | I first met Dan in Santa Clara at some event when he came over to | our table and showed off some ssh fu. We'd reconnect at events | every so often and he'd always share his latest interest. I | recall once Dan turning me on to the unique world of software | produced and shared primarily by doctors who code by opening a | video of a jet engine crash landing in an MRI viewer app. The | time after that, he was telling me about going to see the new | Star Trek movie that had just come out and how his friend | couldn't see the green alien lady, which led him to build one of | the first truly useful applications of augmented reality with his | colorblindness app. | | When people say Dan Kaminski was a hacker's hacker, it's with | good cause. Not only did he defend the Internet from itself, but | he changed the way people see the world. He put a noticeable dent | in the universe. | davidu wrote: | I will miss him terribly. He was the guy who let me crash in his | room at Defcon when I was a minor and was too young to book my | own room. This kicked off 20 years of friendship. He was | brilliant, zany, ADD x 1000, and always endearing and loving. | | In 2008 I was lucky to collaborate on DNS issues with Dan when he | discovered a new form of DNS cache poisoning and spent years | helping the Internet upgrade and defend against a serious and | significant vulnerability. We all owe him a debt of gratitude for | this and so much of his other work. | | He was a hacker's hacker, and the guy you want in your corner. | Very sad to hear this news. | eplanit wrote: | I saw him speak at BlackHat in 2008 when he presented that work | -- _everyone_ was there. It was an amazing presentation, and I | was properly filled with respect for Dan. | | So very sad that he's gone so young. | xbar wrote: | I was there that year, too. And the year before and after. | And at ToorCon that year, which was tiny and it was great to | talk to him there. Many of my journeys to conferences were | because he was on the docket. | | A true inspiration in infosec. | [deleted] | tyingq wrote: | _" I was lucky to collaborate on DNS issues with Dan when he | discovered a new form of DNS cache poisoning"_ | | A really good, and really detailed, overview of what Kaminsky | found: http://www.unixwiz.net/techtips/iguide-kaminsky-dns- | vuln.htm... Kaminsky references this from the sidebar in his | blog. | qyi wrote: | Heard of him since his DNS vulns. Never read or watched his | presentations until recently. It was a breath of fresh air seeing | him talk. I thought "this is a true hacker. no corporate BS". | Damn. | ttul wrote: | Dan was at Santa Clara in the spring of 1998 when I was there on | an exchange. Unbeknownst to me, I was watching South Park in the | dorm's TV lounge next to a future internet legend. We later made | the connection through mutual friends and he became a technical | advisor to my startup. | | Dan was always generous with his time and expertise. He was the | kind of person whom you could expect could easily become very | rich, but was entirely unmotivated by money. Dan was fascinated | to learn the inner workings of things we all take for granted - | such as the DNS. A true hacker. | WesleyHale wrote: | He sounds like a real role model. | | Thank you for sharing. | laurex wrote: | Dan sublet my apartment a number of years ago, and it was a | thrill to see the impact of his work over time. I'm very sad to | hear this news. | rmac wrote: | Seeing him present his work on stage at DC was one of those | things I'll never forget: the technical excellence, the dazzling | visualizations, his comfortable and confident style, and whether | you agreed with it or not -- his own point of view, not a thinly | veiled corporate / gov / academic shill. | | Dan: streams a tv show over DNS | | Crowd: goes wild | | He was one of the ones who I aspire to be: to show others they | can do .* | wheresmycraisin wrote: | Dan was exceptionally good at explaining his complex work, and he | always did so with 100% passion. He will be missed. | Communitivity wrote: | A sad day. A legend has passed - legendary for his skills, for | his generosity, and for his personality. He was a true | renaissance man - hacker, writer, presenter, philantropist, | piano-player, composer, and good guy. | HugoDaniel wrote: | :( RIP | [deleted] | quelsolaar wrote: | I had dinner with Dan once, he "social engineered" me and claimed | he forgot to bring money. I knew what he was doing, but also knew | that if picking up the tab was the price i had to pay for getting | to hang out with him, I got the better end of the Deal. Rest In | Peace | jamesmishra wrote: | I read comments like this and wonder whether--after I die-- | everybody will mock me for every moment I forgot my wallet. | | I maybe forget my wallet once per year, but I'd like to think | that my friends have forgiven me for it. (And I always Venmo my | share of the bill anyway.) | nomy99 wrote: | I guess there really is no such thing as a free lunch. | 1cvmask wrote: | I think you got the better end of the deal. Similar things have | happened to me and I am happy to have known them and the joy | they added to our transient lives. | fefe23 wrote: | You may have misread the situation. | | I have known him for decades, and I have never seen him take | advantage of another person. Not ever. Not even once. | | If he said he forgot to bring money, then he probably did. | | Let us raise a cup to his name. A kind soul and an inspiration | to us all. | atdrummond wrote: | For what it's worth, he had left his wallet elsewhere at a | large dinner where a friend ended up paying for the group | anyway. | | They didn't expect him to pay and yet he paid them back | fairly promptly and actually gave a few cents more than he | technically owed - which he claimed was interest at the | prevailing rate. | | I certainly don't see him "hacking" his way to a free dinner | on a(n) (un)suspecting victim. | igetspam wrote: | Agreed. I've eaten and had many drinks with Dan. He was | generous. Never cared about throwing a few bucks down to | help someone else eat or drink. We often had very large | group dinners at conferences and Dan typically threw in a | few extra to cover those who weren't as well off. (Standard | practice for these things.) Definitely feels like a | misread. | quelsolaar wrote: | > You may have misread the situation. | | Very true. Either way, I didn't feel taken advantage of. He | truly was special, and I'm incredibly happy I got to spend | some time with him. | [deleted] | samatman wrote: | Given the sheer number of things I've seen Dan space out, I | strongly suspect you're dead wrong about this one. | | I don't know how many years ago this was, but he's been a man | of independent means for longer ago than whenever this | happened. | | I think you intended this as a sharing of a cool moment you had | with the recently deceased, but you thoroughly missed the mark. | varelse wrote: | It is a funny moment. When I die, if people care, may they | reminisce on all my quirks and roast me for moments like this. | I won't care, I'll be dead. | sneak wrote: | Does anyone have a copy of the sources for Paketto Keiretsu? It | seems to have disappeared from his website(s) some years ago and | I kept meaning to ask him for a copy. | | It was an early inspiration for a lot of my L3-in-userspace work. | ryan-c wrote: | https://rya.nc/files/paketto-2.00pre5.tar.gz | | I'm not sure whether I got it directly from him or if I had a | saved copy, but that's the most recent version. | ryan-c wrote: | Yeah, I have a copy. | achillean wrote: | It's where I learned about stateless scanning. Without scanrand | and its stateless scanning technique Shodan wouldn't have been | possible. | synack wrote: | There's an old version here | https://packetstormsecurity.com/files/30489/paketto-1.10.tar... | thathndude wrote: | I'm not in the industry. But I instantly recognize the name from | the occasional touches I have with info sec. that tells me all I | need to know About how big of a loss this is. | | Condolences to those who knew him. | madrox wrote: | I met Dan at BarcampLA, and his talks stuck with me. I've relived | moments from those talks throughout my career, and I'm a more | security conscious person because of it. He was one of those rare | security folks that still retained his fundamentally optimistic | view of humanity, though I think that may be rare of any human | now that I think about it. If Tomorrowland were an actual thing, | Dan definitely would've been invited. I hope he knew how much he | inspired. | 1cvmask wrote: | RIP Dan. Dan was one of the great reasons to attend in person the | Vegas security circus (B Sides, Black Hat and Defcon). My other | favorite presenters ranged from Barnaby Jack (also deceased) to | Moxie. | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnaby_Jack | automathematics wrote: | RIP to a legend | filmgirlcw wrote: | H was a wonderful person who was always generous with his time. | I'm so sad that he is gone. It isn't hyperbolic to say that we as | a tech community are better because of him. | blondie9x wrote: | Does anyone know what happened? | wsostt wrote: | Read the tweet | jamesrcole wrote: | The tweet says "Please keep speculation to yourself". Whether | you think it's appropriate or not, asking if anyone knows | what happened is not the same as asking for speculation. | Ar-Curunir wrote: | The former inevitably asks for speculation, especially | given the short timeframe and lack of information involved. | VectorLock wrote: | I think it also unfortunately fuels the darker | speculations rather than quells them. | leethacker3 wrote: | I read it. | | So what happened? Drugs? COVID? | dijit wrote: | The tweet specifically asks us not to speculate and the parent | article makes mention that the conditions of his death have not | been made public. | | I'm not sure how others feel, personally I am conflicted: | respect the death of an icon and not pry (even if others are | speaking on his behalf) or satisfy my curiosity. | | I'm going to go with the former, for now. | [deleted] | sneak wrote: | Asking for facts is not speculating, it might be the | opposite. | | I'd like to know what happened to my friend, who was himself | always in pursuit of the truth. | DaniloDias wrote: | If it is another overdose, I'm going to be deeply annoyed | with Marc. There is a real problem in this industry and we | shouldn't be burying our heads. | Waterluvian wrote: | There's plenty of time for one then the other. | | I don't think the curiosity to know is just for curiosity | alone. I think it serves a purpose for everyone to bear | witness to the kinds of things that take us. | rediguanayum wrote: | RIP thank you Dan for making the internet a safer place. | samatman wrote: | December 2019. I flew out to SF, and we hacked for ten days. | | He saved our company from extinction. I won't discuss the sequel | to that, because it doesn't reflect well on some people who don't | deserve that in this eulogy. But I will say that we retained our | friendship through it all. | | I'm absolutely gutted at this news. What a shining human being. A | terrible loss. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-04-24 23:00 UTC)