[HN Gopher] OpenSourceFPGA Launches Foundation to Accelerate Ado...
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       OpenSourceFPGA Launches Foundation to Accelerate Adoption of
       Programmable Logic
        
       Author : lelf
       Score  : 57 points
       Date   : 2021-04-24 14:40 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | corysama wrote:
       | The MiSTer FPGA project is bringing FPGAs to the attention of a
       | whole lot of techie hobbyists. I know it's got me thinking about
       | learning a bit.
        
       | daly wrote:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26917890
        
         | pytlicek wrote:
         | Yeah! Absolutely right and can't agree more.
        
       | Zenst wrote:
       | I do feel Intel if anybody could of pushed FPGA's into consumer
       | space. Heck even if they added a basic small affair onto their
       | chips as standard it would open up software and standards. See
       | you need to software as much as the hardware to drive standards
       | that get adopted as a standard that is not adopted is a swing
       | thru the middle of the tree called a swing.
       | 
       | I hope this pans out well. After all, imagine if your OS could do
       | a few custom instructions in a FPGA as an OS accelerator, offload
       | some of the routines not already enshrined into a dedicated
       | instruction.
       | 
       | I would also add, there is one avenue that may see this pan well,
       | if you can do crytomining upon them - that would certainly be a
       | blessing for all as would get them into mass production, shift
       | the crypto's away from GPU's and much good would come from it.
       | That's the optimistic hope how we will get some FPGA's into the
       | standard CPU/SOC offerings in much the same way the FPU was a
       | separate chip at one stage in CPU life.
        
       | marcodiego wrote:
       | About 2 decades ago, the micro-controller world was extremely
       | closed. If you needed an IDE, compiler or debug tool there was no
       | choice besides ugly proprietary options. Then arduino happened.
       | 
       | Boards that support Symbiflow are the arduinos of FPGA.
        
       | newhouseb wrote:
       | As someone pretty integrated with open source hardware, this
       | initiative weirds me out.
       | 
       | There's a growing community around open source silicon, whether
       | that means ASICs with Openlane & the Skywater PDK or FPGAs with
       | Symbiflow or more general cores with the FOSSi Foundation. But as
       | far as I can tell, none of the folks on the board of OSFPGA are
       | affiliated with any of that work with the exception of Brian
       | Faith from QuickLogic (which uses Symbiflow as their first-party
       | toolchain IIRC). Co-Chairman Naveed Sherwani lead SiFive for a
       | while and started a bunch of companies/organizations with "Open"
       | in the name (like OpenFive), but none of these are "open" in any
       | open-source sense as far as I can tell.
       | 
       | Further, membership is expensive and representation on the
       | "board" is determined by the amount of capital you have which
       | feels antithetical to building an inclusive community where
       | passionate individuals can contribute (and indeed, much of the
       | OSS in this space is driven by insanely productive individuals
       | like Claire Wolf & whitequark).
       | 
       | Finally, quoting from the press release:
       | 
       | > The Open Source FPGA Foundation offers a set of free and open
       | source tools
       | 
       | But the github is empty except for a singular project that just
       | links to work done before the formation of this entity?
       | 
       | So constructive feedback, if you're involved with this
       | initiative, please reach out to one of the many communities that
       | already exist:
       | 
       | - The Skywater Slack
       | 
       | - The Symbiflow Slack
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       | - The YosysHQ Slack
       | 
       | - #openfpga & #symbiflow on freenode
       | 
       | - The 1BitSquared Discord
        
         | adapteva wrote:
         | Still early days, but I disagree with some of your assertions.
         | Seems to be a bit of an echo chamber in osh these days...
         | 
         | The effort was not created in vacuum.
         | 
         | -The skywater effort sits on top of darpa's openroad (I am
         | currently on the board and so is serge)
         | 
         | -Prof Gaillardon and Xifan created the "openfpga" open source
         | generator and taped out a skywater and 12nm (see woset best
         | paper) [edit: and they are the founders of osfpga]
         | 
         | -Vaughn Betz created VTR which symbiflow is based on.[edit: and
         | he is on the board]
         | 
         | -Yosys/Claire has done amazing work but it was possble thanks
         | to Alan Mishchenko's ABC. De Michelli and Gaillardon have
         | similar package to ABC that is definitely worth a look.
         | 
         | -The fees seem to be in line with other organizations, chips
         | alliance, riscv foundation, etc.
        
           | newhouseb wrote:
           | Thanks for connecting the dots!
           | 
           | I'm familiar with the OpenFPGA stuff but hadn't connected it
           | to the folks listed -- consider this an ask to have bios on
           | the site as I evidently picked the wrong people to google.
           | It's great to know there's more than meets the eye here
           | beyond a vague press release I can't make heads or tails of.
           | 
           | Looking at other hardware-related foundations (like the
           | RISC-V foundation) there are explicit callouts for
           | "individuals not representing a legal entity," which is where
           | someone like myself would fit, but the bucketing on OSFPGA
           | makes it seem like people in this group who are not students
           | (for example, me, not that I'm particularly special) don't
           | have a place here. (As an aside, I dislike how many orgs
           | collapse members and sponsors into one thing, but that's
           | neither here nor there).
           | 
           | Finally, I didn't mean to imply that the work I mentioned
           | came whole cloth from the respective author's heads. Sorry if
           | what I wrote conveyed that.
           | 
           | PS: When is Zero ASIC coming out of stealth? :)
        
             | adapteva wrote:
             | Happy to! Looks like the website broke during updates. The
             | bios used to be there. Hopefully it will be fixed soon.
             | 
             | Soon...
        
       | amirhirsch wrote:
       | next startup: hosted design entry and CI/CD for FPGA... Every
       | time Vivado taskbars go back and forth forever I start writing a
       | Javascript clone of the block designer and scripts to launch
       | builds on AWS...
        
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