[HN Gopher] Symbolics Lisp Machine demo Jan 2013 ___________________________________________________________________ Symbolics Lisp Machine demo Jan 2013 Author : lelf Score : 58 points Date : 2021-04-27 16:04 UTC (6 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.youtube.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.youtube.com) | abhinav22 wrote: | Man that looks so _cool_. What a beautiful, clean user interface | and I assume an amazing experience, with the full power of Lisp. | | Is there any chance to get a Lisp Machine as an image that we can | load in a VM? | | All I need is a connection the internet and I would be happy to | spend all my spare hobby programming time dialed away in my own | small corner of a Lisp Machine. No distractions, only Lisp. | capableweb wrote: | You can give OpenGenera a try. | | https://github.com/ynniv/vagrant-opengenera has some | instructions to get started. | | http://3e8.org/blog/2016/04/04/symbolics-concordia-in-a-virt... | can take you a bit further. | | You should give smalltalk a try too, same idea but OOP focus | ("defining" maybe rather) https://squeak.org/ | dmd wrote: | Kalman was a coworker of mine at my previous job, and is just an | amazing, stunning hacker. | natas wrote: | I wish such system was still being commercialized. | brundolf wrote: | I used to work at Cycorp, a holdover from the AI world of the 80s | and to this day a classical (CL-like) Lisp shop. They have an old | Symbolics box in their entryway, positioned by a couch as a small | coffee table :) | | I find the whole idea of hardware that's specifically optimized | for a totally different programming paradigm than what we're used | to just fascinating. It's not hard to imagine why we haven't seen | more of it: it's really expensive to iterate on a branch in the | computing hardware tree, and you're probably better off just | writing a runtime for mainline systems. But still, it's fun to | think about. | | I am a little surprised though that nobody's written an | _operating system_ like this for standard hardware. Still a big | task, but an order of magnitude less ambitious than custom | hardware and with many of the benefits people would 've gotten | from a Lisp machine. | mepian wrote: | There is Mezzano: https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano | brundolf wrote: | Nice, that does look like a similar idea | huachimingo wrote: | Some phones also were made with Java in mind, I think? | | Not sure if android or old nokias, or both. | zokier wrote: | That would be Jazelle, I think handful of Sony-Ericsson | phones supported that. Nokia was not a big proponent of Java | (they had Symbian to sell), and that was all before Androids | time. | natas wrote: | is this legal? (without a genera license?) | segmondy wrote: | maybe, maybe not. | | https://archives.loomcom.com/genera/genera-install.html | mepian wrote: | The author of the video works for Symbolics (or rather, for | what's left of Symbolics today). | natas wrote: | oh sweet, I wonder who are their customers today. | capableweb wrote: | Well, their arguments[1] are quite compelling in general, | rest of the software[2][3] seems to be highly specialized | and specific, I'm guessing there is a lot of maintenance | that has to be done still. | | - [1] http://www.symbolics-dks.com/Genera-why-1.htm | | - [2] http://www.symbolics-dks.com/Macsyma-1.htm (general | purpose symbolic-numerical-graphical mathematics software | product) | | - [3] http://www.symbolics-dks.com/PDease-1.htm (general | purpose software that uses Finite Element Analysis to | obtain numerical solutions to a large class of partial | differential equations) | segmondy wrote: | For those who don't get the lisp machine. imagine how you can | inspect your browser, see the html/js, go to console, run | commands modify programs etc. Imagine doing that on your OS, | that's the experience of Lisp machine. | Blikkentrekker wrote: | Certainly that is the experience of a specific operating | system, not a specific processor architecture. | | Such an operating system could conceivably run on any machine; | it simply ran more efficiently on a _Lisp machine_. | posobin wrote: | There are 30(!) comments on HN linking to this video, including | discussions of Bret Victor's "Learnable programming", using Lisp | in production from last year, comparisons with Smalltalk, a | thread with examples of beautiful software, and more: | https://ampie.app/url-context?url=https://www.youtube.com/wa... ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-04-27 23:01 UTC)