[HN Gopher] The Complete Hypercard Handbook
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       The Complete Hypercard Handbook
        
       Author : lubesGordi
       Score  : 94 points
       Date   : 2021-05-07 18:35 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (archive.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (archive.org)
        
       | BaldricksGhost wrote:
       | The first useful application/database I ever wrote was in
       | Hypercard. I loved that app. 33 years later I still work in IT.
        
       | peterchane wrote:
       | This book changed my life in that it introduced me to
       | programming. Thanks archive.org for keeping it around!
        
       | zqfm wrote:
       | I still have this book on my shelf, it got me started programming
       | as a youngin'. Good times!
        
       | thrownout wrote:
       | So I had to post that excellent comment from DonHopkins as seen
       | here two days ago ""
       | 
       | DonHopkins 2 days ago | parent [-] | on: LSD, cargo shorts and
       | the fall of a tech CEO
       | 
       | I don't know how it affected Steve Jobs, but Bill Atkinson
       | handled his LSD pretty well.
       | 
       | https://www.mondo2000.com/2018/06/18/the-inspiration-for-hyp...
       | 
       | >The Psychedelic Inspiration For Hypercard, by Bill Atkinson.
       | 
       | >In 1985 I swallowed a tiny fleck of gelatin containing a medium
       | dose of LSD, and I spent most of the night sitting on a concrete
       | park bench outside my home in Los Gatos, California.
       | 
       | >I gazed up at a hundred billion galaxies each with a hundred
       | billion stars, and each star a giant thermonuclear fusion
       | reaction as powerful as our Sun. And for the first time in my
       | life I knew deep down inside that we are not alone.
       | 
       | >I knew that life on planet Earth is not the only pocket of
       | consciousness in the universe, and likely not the most advanced.
       | But we still have a role to play in the unfolding drama of
       | creation.
       | 
       | >It seemed to me the universe is in a process of coming alive.
       | Consciousness is blossoming and propagating to colonize the
       | universe, and life on Earth is one of many bright spots in the
       | cosmic birth of consciousness.
       | 
       | >But the stars are separated by enormous distances of darkness
       | and vacuum, which may hinder communication between them. I
       | lowered my gaze and saw the street lamps below glowing brightly,
       | each casting a pool of light but surrounded by darkness before
       | the next lamp. As above, so below.
       | 
       | >The street lamps reminded me of bodies of knowledge, gems of
       | discovery and understanding, but separated from each other by
       | distance and different languages. Poets, artists, musicians,
       | physicists, chemists, biologists, mathmeticians, and economists
       | all have separate pools of knowledge, but are hindered from
       | sharing and finding the deeper connections.
       | 
       | >My vision distorted by thick eyeglasses, I witnessed the
       | curvature of the Earth's horizon, and I felt the pull of gravity
       | toward its center, such that every one of us is standing at the
       | very apex. Each of us stands at the top of planet Earth, and each
       | of us is a leader or captain of the "Blue Marble" team.
       | 
       | >How could I help? By focusing on the weak link. If I were
       | captain of a soccer team, I would look for the weak link and work
       | on it. If the goalie was letting too many through, I would spend
       | extra practice time with him, and the whole team would prosper.
       | 
       | >It occurred to me the weak link for the Blue Marble team is
       | wisdom. Humanity has achieved sufficient technological power to
       | change the course of life and the entire global ecosystem, but we
       | seem to lack the perspective to choose wisely between alternative
       | futures. But I was young, without much life experience or wisdom
       | myself.
       | 
       | >Knowledge, it seemed to me, consists of the "How" connections
       | between pieces of information, the cause and effect
       | relationships. How does this action bring about that result.
       | Science is a systematic attempt to discover the "How"
       | connections.
       | 
       | >Wisdom, it seemed to me, was a step further removed, the bigger
       | perspective of the "Why" connections between pieces of knowledge.
       | Why, for reasons ethical and aesthetic, should we choose one
       | future over another?
       | 
       | >I thought if we could encourage sharing of ideas between
       | different areas of knowledge, perhaps more of the bigger picture
       | would emerge, and eventually more wisdom might develop. Sort of a
       | trickle-up theory of information leading to knowledge leading to
       | wisdom.
       | 
       | >This was the underlying inspiration for HyperCard, a multimedia
       | authoring environment that empowered non-programmers to share
       | ideas using new interactive media called HyperCard stacks.
       | 
       | >Each card in a HyperCard stack included graphics, text,
       | interactive buttons, and links that took you to another card or
       | stack. Built-in painting tools, drag-and-drop authoring with a
       | library of pre-fab buttons and fields, and simple event based
       | scripting made HyperCard flexible and easy to use.
       | 
       | >It took a lot of hard work and a dedicated team to complete this
       | mission. Apple shipped HyperCard in August 1987, and included it
       | free with every Mac so any user could create and share HyperCard
       | stacks. Many creative people expressed their ideas and passions,
       | and several million interactive HyperCard stacks were created.
       | 
       | >HyperCard was a precurser to the first web browser, except
       | chained to a hard drive before the worldwide web. Six years later
       | Mosaic was introduced, influenced by some of the ideas in
       | HyperCard, and indirectly by an inspiring LSD experience.
        
       | cmdrriker wrote:
       | I have this book! I loved Hypercard and spend many hours making
       | silly and functional programs with it.
       | 
       | I wish that somehow it was continued and not sent out to the
       | pasture at Claris.
        
         | protomyth wrote:
         | In a lot of ways, my ideal product would be a HyperCard / Excel
         | combo that could output Java (or some other source code).
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | Something close to that was tried in Microsoft when I was
           | there 1996-2000. It was extraordinarily hard to keep the
           | visual forms designer and the output code in sync, especially
           | when users tried to edit the code.
        
             | protomyth wrote:
             | I don't think it needs to return trip for it to be useful.
             | Most of the value is allowing programmers to get the
             | business logic that expert users generate.
        
       | blacktriangle wrote:
       | Sometimes when I'm drinking at 3am I like to imagine a world
       | where somebody wrote a hypercard server and we were all
       | developing web apps as hypercard stacks instead of our current
       | abomination.
        
         | ksec wrote:
         | Something like CardStack?
         | 
         | https://cardstack.com
        
         | disqard wrote:
         | Would you give https://www.blockstud.io a try?
         | 
         | I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
         | 
         | Thanks!
        
           | outofpaper wrote:
           | I thought the site was pretty cool. What's your take on using
           | Blockstud.io over Snap or Scratch?
        
       | protomyth wrote:
       | They also have the 2.0 book and his AppleScript handbook which
       | was really helpful.
       | 
       | https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Goodman%2C...
        
       | dstainer wrote:
       | Hypercard, now that is a name I've not heard in a long time
        
       | evaneykelen wrote:
       | This book was so big (5-6 cm) I had to cut it into three parts to
       | turn it into a manageable desk reference.
        
       | tobr wrote:
       | > GOODMAN: But we can expect to see additions?
       | 
       | > ATKINSON: Lots of improvements. This is not going to be
       | abandoned like MacPaint was. Pretty much Apple put me on
       | something else and gave the maintenance of MacPaint to someone
       | else and then kept shuffling that from one person to another, and
       | MacPaint never got maintained.
       | 
       | As far as I understand that's almost exactly what would happen to
       | HyperCard over the next few years as well.
        
         | setpatchaddress wrote:
         | Yup. It was abandoned almost exactly like MacPaint was. Real
         | shame.
        
         | betamaxthetape wrote:
         | HyperCard did get a fairly substantial upgrade with HyperCard
         | 2.0. Indeed, the second version of The Complete HyperCard
         | Handbook included another interview with Bill Atkinson,
         | discussing some of the changes made and the direction HyperCard
         | was heading in.
         | 
         | The real trouble for HyperCard came when it was moved to the
         | Claris subsidiary, who started charging for it [1]. No longer
         | was the full version bundled with every Mac sold, which had
         | helped HyperCard become ubiquitous until that point.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/apples-lost-decade-
         | hypercard-a...
        
       | ryanmarsh wrote:
       | This is great, disappointed that the site won't let me download
       | it though.
        
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         | mimixco wrote:
         | https://archive.org/download/The_Complete_HyperCard_Handbook...
        
       | gdubs wrote:
       | Well, there goes my weekend. Happy to see the Hypercard love is
       | still out there. I think about it a lot. I love the idea of a
       | coffee shop or a bicycle shop that's run on a Hypercard stack on
       | an old Mac.
       | 
       | In case you've never seen it:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FquNpWdf9vg
        
       | w0mbat wrote:
       | I bought the first edition when it came out, read it straight
       | through like a novel. This is what ignited my change in career
       | direction from a photographer who dabbled with his dad's Mac SE
       | to programmer. I eventually learned many languages beyond
       | HyperTalk and moved to Silicon Valley. I may have written part of
       | this web browser.
        
       | almost wrote:
       | What I wouldn't have given for a copy of this back then!
       | 
       | The samples that came with HyperCard where good enough though :)
        
       | alexchamberlain wrote:
       | Has anyone made a serious attempt to recreate HyperCard for
       | modern systems? Would Apple try to block it?
        
         | cmdrriker wrote:
         | I think Supercard is still going, its sorta like a souped up
         | version of Hypercard
        
           | blacksmith_tb wrote:
           | I haven't used it in a looong time, but yes[1] it is,
           | apparently.
           | 
           | 1: https://supercard.us/
        
             | chris_wot wrote:
             | Does not work on Catalina and Big Sur.
        
         | phonon wrote:
         | https://livecode.com/
        
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