[HN Gopher] Starlink Satellites Tracker
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       Starlink Satellites Tracker
        
       Author : danielsht
       Score  : 98 points
       Date   : 2021-05-07 20:26 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (findstarlink.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (findstarlink.com)
        
       | erwinh wrote:
       | For a 3d view of the satellites in orbit check out:
       | https://space-search.io/?search=starlink
        
       | callumprentice wrote:
       | This is my favorite Starlink tracker - also has a nice
       | integration with Google Street View and shows you exactly where
       | to look. https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink
       | 
       | EDIT: Removed "past times" parameter as suggested in comments.
       | Also note you can remove also see loads of other satellites with
       | an unadorned URL : https://james.darpinian.com/satellites
        
         | modeless wrote:
         | Thanks! I suggest removing the showPastTimes parameter from the
         | link: https://james.darpinian.com/satellites/?special=starlink
        
           | callumprentice wrote:
           | I wondered about that but I wasn't able to see the Street
           | View integration without it - I think you're right though -
           | better without the past ones. Thank you.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | bowmessage wrote:
       | We are polluting our night skies and dark places.
        
         | Kiro wrote:
         | So what? What is the higher purpose of not "polluting" the
         | night sky?
        
           | anonyxyz wrote:
           | It's introducing a fuck ton of low orbit debris that is
           | already interfering with astronomical research. Satellites
           | that fail or break are stuck up there.
        
             | vultour wrote:
             | Defunct low orbit satellites are not a giant issue as they
             | deorbit relatively quickly.
        
         | Diederich wrote:
         | Go outside this evening if the sky is clear. If you're anywhere
         | between 30 degrees and 60 degrees, there are multiple starlink
         | satellites in your line of sight all the time.
         | 
         | Can you point them out? No, they're invisible at their
         | operational altitude.
        
           | User23 wrote:
           | That depends on how dark the area is. I heard that in a
           | Bortle 5 or lower area they are naked eye visible, which
           | really sucks for stargazers. Especially since some of the
           | more interesting naked eye observations have to be done using
           | peripheral vision.
        
             | Diederich wrote:
             | I've been unable to see them in class 2 areas.
             | 
             | I'm a pretty ardent stargazer.
        
             | Diederich wrote:
             | I know that these sats will affect many telescopic
             | observations, but that's been happening a long time.
             | 
             | I understand that this interference will end up being
             | several times more frequent. However, for many years,
             | satellite streaks have been algorithmically removed from
             | observations. It's possible that those algorithms will need
             | to be upgraded.
             | 
             | That's a small price to pay in exchange for robust and high
             | speed Internet becoming available to huge numbers of people
             | all over the world.
        
               | User23 wrote:
               | I have a Starlink deposit down and I still have my doubts
               | about the merits of that trade-off. My reasoning is
               | amateur astronomy is ruined anyhow so I may as well be
               | able to stream Netflix on more devices and as a side
               | benefit tech monopolies will be able to further extend
               | their influence.
               | 
               | Which, frankly, feels rather sordid.
               | 
               | And in any event Starlink is nothing compared to the
               | assholes planning satellite billboards.
        
           | Causality1 wrote:
           | Even if they weren't, we can't have everything. Do you know
           | how crippled a huge chunk of the world's population is
           | without robust internet access? I have two telescopes in my
           | house and I would give up looking at the sky forever if it
           | meant my cousin's kids got to attend Zoom class instead of
           | having to work from take-home materials.
        
             | Diederich wrote:
             | Exactly.
             | 
             | This is akin to people complaining about how wind mills
             | ruin their views of things.
             | 
             | I know that these sats will affect many telescopic
             | observations, but that's been happening a long time. In
             | most cases, satellite streaks are algorithmically removed.
        
         | walrus01 wrote:
         | I'm far more concerned about atmospheric particles (as measured
         | by PM2.5, etc) and air pollution than I am about satellites.
         | 
         | Go visit New Delhi or Lahore in mid winter and give us your
         | subjective opinion of the air quality.
         | 
         | https://www.google.com/search?q=delhi+air+pollution&client=u...
        
       | reaperducer wrote:
       | It's interesting to see so many of these satellites are listed as
       | "Bright" in my area.
       | 
       | Before the launches, the HN crowd promised repeatedly that nobody
       | would be able to see these satellites and they would not change
       | the night sky at all, and that that looking up in wonder is only
       | something that old people and luddites do, because nothing is
       | more important than global always-on sacred holy internet access.
        
         | jmu1234567890 wrote:
         | They are only bright for an initial period after launch.
        
       | tectonic wrote:
       | We also have a coverage map for Starlink:
       | https://orbitalindex.com/feature/starlink-coverage/
        
         | 8jy89hui wrote:
         | I like this map, I just wish it didn't start with auto-rotate
         | on. Auto-rotate just makes it hard to see as the satellites
         | travel around the world.
        
       | GekkePrutser wrote:
       | Wow those are few and far between. Isn't the idea of starlink
       | that you'd have internet all the time?
       | 
       | Edit: Aahhh I see now, it's meant for stargazers (well,
       | starlinkgazers) and it only shows the visible passes. Got it. I'm
       | used to using sat trackers for ham radio purposes and they show
       | all passes, that's why I was confused.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | olex wrote:
         | It also shows a single "pass event" for a launch of 60
         | satellites, the pass alone takes minutes as a long visible
         | chain of sats goes overhead. Really damn cool to see.
        
           | GekkePrutser wrote:
           | Indeed those are super cool! I might go out to see one of
           | those once the curfew is lifted here.
        
       | ortusdux wrote:
       | For the record, these satellites are inserted in groups of 60 at
       | half their orbital height. They have onboard thrusters to boost
       | up to the final operational orbit. There is high atmospheric drag
       | at lower altitudes, so they deploy their solar panels
       | horizontally during this boost period, which usually lasts less
       | than a month. These horizontal panels reflect the sun just after
       | sunset and just before dawn. Once they are at their final height
       | they rotate the panels so they are much less reflective.
       | Basically, the constellation's effect on the night sky is
       | proportional to the number of launches in the last month, not the
       | total number in orbit.
        
         | Rebelgecko wrote:
         | >Basically, the constellation's effect on the night sky is
         | proportional to the number of launches in the last month, not
         | the total number in orbit.
         | 
         | For what it's worth, in order for the constellation to reach
         | steady state the number of launches in the last month will need
         | to be proportional to the total # of orbit. So if the
         | constellation has 42,000 satellites and the satellites last 10
         | years on average (IMO that's an optimistic lifespan), you need
         | to launch around 350/month just to maintain the size of the
         | constellation.
        
         | amackera wrote:
         | Thanks for the info!
        
           | ortusdux wrote:
           | Absolutely! Things will be really interesting when they can
           | use Starships to launch batches. I've seen estimates that
           | they could launch 600 starlink satellites at a time. They
           | could theatrically also launch fewer, but put them all the
           | way into their final orbit, skipping the few weeks of light
           | pollution.
        
             | grecy wrote:
             | > _They could theatrically also launch fewer, but put them
             | all the way into their final orbit_
             | 
             | I wonder if they might choose to do this so the sats keep
             | more of their onboard fuel, and will be able to keep
             | themselves in orbit a bit longer before the inevitable re-
             | entry burn up.
        
               | trothamel wrote:
               | Re-entry is a bit of a feature, though - should a
               | satellite be DOA, it will be in a low orbit and burn up
               | faster.
        
               | thereisnospork wrote:
               | I'd _guess_ it is more efficient to have them boost
               | themselves, so that they act as an additional rocket
               | stage. (and so not need the delta V to elevate and then
               | de-elevate starship 's orbit.)
        
               | Dylan16807 wrote:
               | That's a tradeoff that could be made, but the onboard ion
               | thrusters are about 5x as efficient as the rocket. They'd
               | probably be much better off making the onboard tanks a
               | bit larger and launching to the same low orbit.
        
         | cryptoz wrote:
         | > Basically, the constellation's effect on the night sky is
         | proportional to the number of launches in the last month, not
         | the total number in orbit.
         | 
         | For the major brightness issues sure, but they are not
         | invisible or undetectable while in operation. Surely the
         | effects are proportional to both the recent launches and the
         | whole size.
         | 
         | I think it's a bit early to dismiss the whole sky effect of
         | multiple Starlink-style constellations in operation.
         | 
         | Also isn't Starlink intending to do launches for the rest of
         | time? There is always a value for the last month of launches-
         | they'll never stop launching right?
         | 
         | Just thinking out loud.
        
           | ortusdux wrote:
           | The current satellite version (VisorSat) has a magnitude of
           | about 6, which is generally considered to be the limit of
           | what is visible with the naked eye in a light-pollution free
           | area.
           | 
           | Once you start using any optics they will be visible.
           | 
           | https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2101/2101.00374.pdf#:~:te.
           | ...
           | 
           | https://earthsky.org/astronomy-essentials/what-is-stellar-
           | ma...
           | 
           | I might sit down and do the math to see how 1500 satellites
           | at mag 6 compares to 60 at mag 2.
           | 
           | > I think it's a bit early to dismiss the whole sky effect of
           | multiple Starlink-style constellations in operation.
           | 
           | I wasn't trying to dismiss their effect, just address the
           | people who say "you think those 60 are bad, imagine when
           | there are 20,000", or "there go the Americans, ruining the
           | night sky for the whole world".
           | 
           | I have no idea how oneweb or blue origin will handle this
           | issue.
           | 
           | > Also isn't Starlink intending to do launches for the rest
           | of time?
           | 
           | Their satellites are designed for a 5 year lifespan. Without
           | constant boosts, they will deorbit and burn up fully in the
           | atmosphere. This is great, because they will not become space
           | junk, and they can't cause the dreaded kessler syndrome. The
           | downside is that they will need to be constantly replenished.
           | Hopefully this will be streamlined when they can launch 600
           | at a time, reducing the number of launches by a factor of 10.
        
             | smeyer wrote:
             | >I might sit down and do the math to see how 1500
             | satellites at mag 6 compares to 60 at mag 2.
             | 
             | Every 5 astronomical magnitudes corresponds to a factor of
             | 100 difference in brightness, so magnitude 2 is (100^0.2)^4
             | or about 40 times brighter than magnitude 6. So they're
             | pretty similar, 1500 satellites at magnitude 6 are about
             | 2/3 as bright as 60 satellites at magnitude 2.
        
           | sneak wrote:
           | There is also the (no help at the moment) fact that the more
           | money that Starlink's parent company makes, the more likely
           | we are to get the world's cheapest heavy lift orbital booster
           | soon, and the more likely we are to soon have multiple large
           | orbital telescopes that far exceed ground-based capabilities.
           | 
           | Basically, if SpaceX makes it, we'll probably have a
           | Starship-launched lunar observatory quite soon, in the grand
           | scheme of things.
           | 
           | This doesn't help the situation now, although there is so
           | much screaming from the anti-Musk people as well as the pro-
           | Musk people that it's hard to tell what the actual impact of
           | the now-somewhat-albedo-mitigated starlink v.whatever
           | satellites are. All of the coverage is breathless sky-is-
           | falling stuff.
           | 
           | In any case, the situation is temporary. Either SpaceX makes
           | it and we get a far side of Luna observatory and LEO/MEO
           | telescopes besides, or they don't and in a few years Starlink
           | all falls down and burns.
        
           | mfer wrote:
           | I'm reminded of Earth orbit from the film Wall-E for some
           | reason.
        
             | mlindner wrote:
             | That's distinctly completely impossible in this case.
        
       | marmot777 wrote:
       | Some friends said they saw it go over my town last night but I
       | missed it. I'm stoked there's a tool to track it.
        
         | betwixthewires wrote:
         | There are over a thousand up there. You can see individual
         | satellites now just by looking at the clear sky at night for a
         | while, you'll find some. I see a couple of them almost every
         | night.
         | 
         | Someone told me there was a line of them last night, probably
         | from the most recent launch, but I couldn't find them.
        
       | colordrops wrote:
       | Why is there a need for a starlink-specific tracker when there
       | are plenty of general satellite trackers that also include all
       | the starlink satellites?
        
       | sand500 wrote:
       | I personally like https://www.heavens-above.com/
       | 
       | Give it a location and it will tell you all the bright objects
       | that should be visible
        
       | antonzabirko wrote:
       | Soon only the super rich will have sunlight, with satellite
       | networks blocking out the sky in other areas.
        
       | gavin_gee wrote:
       | text output? where's the AR viewer of starlink overlayed on the
       | sky!?
        
       | virtuallynathan wrote:
       | One of the coolest starlink specific trackers is starlink.sx.
        
       | fasteddie31003 wrote:
       | I was just outside randomly when I saw the train of lights. It
       | was honestly one of the most impressive things I've ever seen.
        
         | spaceywilly wrote:
         | Same here! Randomly got out of the car last night at saw a
         | string of them cruising through the sky. It's really impressive
         | to see, I'll encourage my friends to use this site to find out
         | when they can see them
        
         | hellbannedguy wrote:
         | I couldn't sleep two nights ago, and went outside at around 5
         | am. I looked up, and was astonished. It was a full moon I
         | think, and the satellights looked magnificent. Those satellites
         | will steer a lot of young kids into science. I was to young to
         | fully appreciate us going to the moon, but seeing a perfectly
         | spaced row of "stars" above my home while the neighborhood was
         | dead silent was something I will always remember.
         | 
         | This was in the Bay Area. I'm living in Fairfax now.
         | 
         | I have been following Starlink since. I haven't had much luck.
         | I thought their telemetry could be configured within seconds,
         | but I guess their are other variables according to Startlink?
         | Oh yea---there is part of me hoping man doesn't overdo it
         | though. This was great, but thousands would be another story.
        
       | carabiner wrote:
       | Heat sinks are holding steady!
        
       | DataJunkie wrote:
       | While I won't subscribe (I have fiber), I am excited about what
       | this might mean for the future. It would amazing to improve the
       | technology enough to replace 4G/5G dongles. It sounds like the
       | technology relies on being in a somewhat fixed position though.
        
       | gambiting wrote:
       | I honestly can't believe Starlink is allowed to do this. It's an
       | absolute travesty, polluting the view of the sky for ALL people
       | on Earth to an absolutely unprecedented degree, for profit of an
       | American corporation. Absolutely despise it, wish all countries
       | of the world came together and demanded the deployments to stop.
        
         | herewulf wrote:
         | I'm curious if you say the same thing about airplanes (which
         | aren't exclusively American either). They are also quite noisy.
        
           | gambiting wrote:
           | Think about it - when Starlink is fully operational there
           | won't be a single place left on earth without several of
           | their satellites always in view. The same definitely cannot
           | be said about planes. Also countries retain full sovereignty
           | to decide whether to allow planes flying above them - same
           | cannot be said about satellites. Countries which cannot even
           | use Starlink are having their night sky polluted by it.
        
             | mlindner wrote:
             | Poland ceded that sovereignty when they signed the Outer
             | Space Treaty. Poland CAN use Starlink, SpaceX just hasn't
             | offered service there yet (they only recently translated
             | their documentation into French and support is still only
             | in English). The service is still in beta as things are
             | still in development. Service is available in the United
             | States, the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia, Canada,
             | and Germany.
        
         | dawnerd wrote:
         | I'm be more upset about light pollution than tiny satellites.
        
         | jp42 wrote:
         | yet another comment without actually putting effort to
         | understand spacex's reply to "polluting" night sky argument.
        
         | Isinlor wrote:
         | You would have to convince UK that owns 42% equity of the
         | OneWeb company that plans to launch initially 648-satellite
         | constellation.
         | 
         | You will probably sooner see EU, Russia and China decide that
         | it is their strategic interest to have their own
         | constellations. As it was with GPS. Currently we have the
         | United States' Global Positioning System (GPS), Russia's Global
         | Navigation Satellite System (GLONASS), China's BeiDou
         | Navigation Satellite System (BDS) and the European Union's
         | Galileo.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneWeb
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OneWeb_satellite_constellation
        
         | ChrisClark wrote:
         | Oh, just wait a week or so, then they'll be higher and not
         | visible like this. Just like every other launch.
         | 
         | Your 'absolute travesty' is only temporary.
        
         | fighterpilot wrote:
         | Easy to say when you're probably sitting in a rich city
         | somewhere with a perfectly good internet connection
        
           | gambiting wrote:
           | Starlink is polluting the sky for people who cannot buy its
           | services, and who don't appreciate yet another American
           | corporation invading into their lives, this time taking the
           | very view of the night sky.
        
             | fighterpilot wrote:
             | Then tax SpaceX for the light-pollution externality until
             | they fix it (which they say they're going to do). I don't
             | think depriving rural communities and poor countries of
             | access to the internet is really the best solution to such
             | a non-problem.
        
               | gambiting wrote:
               | What are you talking about?? Here in Poland(which isn't a
               | poor country!) You can't even buy Starlink here, our
               | astronomical organisations are already complaining about
               | the pollution of the sky, but how can Poland tax an
               | American corporation polluting our sky????
               | 
               | So the question should be - how can an American
               | corporation deprive other countries of accessible view of
               | the sky for profit and get away with it? Because it
               | _might_ be accessible by everyone eventually? That 's
               | frankly not good enough. Elon Musk isn't doing this as a
               | charity, but even if it was it still wouldn't be
               | acceptable.
        
               | fighterpilot wrote:
               | It's the same argument as for a carbon tax. It's
               | imperfect, because the benefit only flows to the local
               | government (when the commons is globally shared, as you
               | point out), but it's the best _practical_ solution since
               | it broadly aligns incentives with that of the commons.
               | 
               | Your solution to simply deprive rural communities/poor
               | countries of internet access is a _non-starter_. What you
               | 're ignoring is that the positive externalities of the
               | tech _vastly, vastly outweigh_ the negative (and
               | supposedly fixable) externalities. Not to mention it 's a
               | take that's rather selfish since you're not the one that
               | pays the price of banning this tech.
        
               | gambiting wrote:
               | But Starlink isn't, wasn't, and never will be "for
               | providing internet to poorer countries". It's always
               | going to be first and foremost about selling internet to
               | people in wealthy countries in areas without good local
               | internet options. Are we really pretending that people in
               | "poor countries" can afford the cost of the equipment and
               | the subscription? Or that Elon Musk is doing this as some
               | kind of charity?
               | 
               | The main problem that I have here is that the uniformity
               | of a full Starlink setup means the entire earth is
               | covered in it, and literally no one else except for
               | Americans has any say in it. That's what's absolutely not
               | cool in my opinion.
        
               | drusepth wrote:
               | >It's always going to be first and foremost about selling
               | internet to people in wealthy countries in areas without
               | good local internet options.
               | 
               | [citation needed]
        
               | fighterpilot wrote:
               | > selling internet to people in wealthy countries in
               | areas without good local internet options
               | 
               | Even if I grant you that it's not going to be about
               | supplying internet to poorer countries, this reason alone
               | is sufficient. Depriving rural communities of internet
               | over such a small negative externality is a non-starter.
               | 
               | > literally no one else except for Americans has any say
               | in it
               | 
               | Poland emits significant amounts of carbon pollution,
               | which impacts me, and I have no say in it.
               | 
               |  _Some_ negative externalities in the global commons is
               | inevitable. You, personally, are contributing to that.
               | Your weather and GPS satellites are contributing to it.
               | 
               | The solution therefore can't be a puritanical "I will not
               | allow _any_ global externalities whatsoever. ". It's an
               | impractical non-starter and a rule that nobody anywhere
               | follows nor should they try to follow it.
        
       | SquibblesRedux wrote:
       | Every now and then I need to compile lists of locations for this
       | or that application. The drop-down of locations in this tracker
       | is very interesting. Does anyone know how the list was compiled?
        
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