[HN Gopher] If I fits I sits: illusory contour susceptibility in...
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       If I fits I sits: illusory contour susceptibility in domestic cats
        
       Author : Hooke
       Score  : 206 points
       Date   : 2021-05-08 14:35 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | 29athrowaway wrote:
       | Is this related to cat circles?
        
       | fortyrod wrote:
       | tl;dr for non cat owners: "Cat Traps Are Real". If you own a cat,
       | move along. There is nothing to see that you haven't already.
        
         | chowells wrote:
         | The paper starts with "cats have been observed to do this
         | thing, which we will take advantage of for an experiment on how
         | cats perceive the world."
         | 
         | The actual test is whether cats perceive a certain type of
         | visual illusion. The test is whether cats will sit inside such
         | an illusory shape in the same way they do non-illusory shapes.
         | The result is that they do, indicating that cats process visual
         | stimuli in a way at least somewhat similar to humans.
         | 
         | tl;dr You should at least read the whole abstract before
         | assuming you understand it.
        
           | fortyrod wrote:
           | It's great that you have my browser history and can tell what
           | I looked at. Or didn't look at. I think you could make a lot
           | of $ at Facebook.
        
             | slver wrote:
             | You have misunderstood the meaning of basic text twice in a
             | row.
        
             | ryanianian wrote:
             | That is shockingly rude and snarky of you to say.
        
               | fortyrod wrote:
               | Compared to this? "You should at least read the whole
               | abstract before assuming you understand it." I can do the
               | math for you, but it would be great if you could pitch
               | right on in there yourself.
        
       | SilasX wrote:
       | Nice, they got volunteers to print out patterns and use them to
       | see if/how often their cats sat in them. Great use of cat owners!
       | And, also, probably a shoe-in for the Ig Nobel awards :-p
        
         | fortyrod wrote:
         | Cat owners are used to being used.
        
       | supernova87a wrote:
       | I would be surprised if cats _didn 't_ do this, perceiving
       | optical illusions just like we do. It's the sign of an advanced
       | inference capable visual system. Otherwise, how could they be on
       | alert for dangerous cucumbers in their territory for our
       | amusement?
        
         | erulabs wrote:
         | It's generally accepted that cats were useful for early humans
         | because we hoarded grain, and so the cats were anti-rat
         | machines. The anti-snake traits of kitties may be an older and
         | just-as-useful reason we tolerated (and loved) cats than just
         | protecting grain storage.
        
           | snickell wrote:
           | Curiously, I have a cat Brownie who grew up feral in the high
           | sierras and appears to have subsisted on snakes as food/prey.
           | They're still his favorite prey.
           | 
           | Instead of startling, Brownie the mighty snake hunter reacts
           | to cucumbers as: FAVORITE FOOD.
           | 
           | He gets a cucumber almost every day. He hunts the cucumbers,
           | drags them to his lair, and consumes them leaving only a
           | small trail of seed viscera behind in his cave.
           | 
           | He's been doing this before I knew about cucumbers scaring
           | cats on internet, and I think lends credence to the
           | hypothesis that cucumbers trigger a "snake recognition
           | circuit": a cat raised to see snakes as food rather (vs the
           | inborn threat response) reacts to cucumbers as food!
        
             | akiselev wrote:
             | That cats have a natural snake recognition circuit is news
             | to me. Several more anecdotes:
             | 
             | A feral cat that gave birth in a family member's garage in
             | east San Diego (not the sierras but mountainous at ~3k ft
             | elevation) found a rattle snake on their property one time.
             | I had to scare her away several times while running around
             | looking for a bucket and some long sticks because she did
             | not recognize the danger at all. It looked more like she
             | was approaching a strange new male cat that was about to
             | court her than a venomous snake
             | 
             | Regarding the cucumbers: another family member had a cat in
             | Europe in a village around 56degN - which is near the upper
             | limit for snakes, so he's unlikely to have ever seen any,
             | let alone eaten one - and the cat _loved_ cucumbers. They
             | had a greenhouse and had to be extremely vigilant after
             | picking cucumbers because the second they 'd turn their
             | backs the cat would proceed to take nibbles out of every
             | single one of them in turn, even if he was given one of his
             | own. I think your cat just likes cucumbers.
        
             | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
             | That's a cool story. Props to Brownie, but I hope he's fast
             | enough to avoid being bitten by the few poisonous ones in
             | the US.
             | 
             | In Africa, most of the storks ate snakes; including really
             | deadly ones. They would stomp them to death. That would
             | probably not work on pit vipers.
        
               | dboat wrote:
               | I don't think there are any poisonous cucumbers in the
               | us, his cat should be fine.
        
               | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
               | I dunno. When I was a kid, they would freak me out...
        
               | selimthegrim wrote:
               | Has anyone worked out how cats react to vampire
               | watermelons in Romania?
        
             | marsven_422 wrote:
             | Brains are not computers running algorithms.
        
           | euroderf wrote:
           | We "hoarded" grain because we transitioned from hunter-
           | gatherers to an agro lifestyle in order to brew beer from
           | that grain, so cats and beer are natural allies.
        
             | tomnipotent wrote:
             | Ships and distilleries also used cats to keep rodents at
             | bay. The Glenturret distillery in Scotland even
             | commissioned a statue of their cat Towser after her
             | passing.
             | 
             | https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/09/09/347093135
             | /...
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | I like your position that alcohol was the reason we
             | switched to agrarian lifestyles.
        
           | sevencolors wrote:
           | Indeed mine have anti-snake protection capabilities that also
           | cover items such as nailfiles, pens, and plastic toy springs
        
             | SwiftyBug wrote:
             | My cat's anti-snake protection manifests as an extreme
             | hatred of earphone wires
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | Lucky for your cat, headphones no longer need wires. In
               | fact, I think Apple should include that in their
               | marketing. "Not only have we reduced our packaging, we've
               | also stop scaring your cats!"
        
               | mhh__ wrote:
               | Now your dog can eat the whole thing in one go!
        
           | fortyrod wrote:
           | Ya, have a cat who took on 2 copperheads at once with great
           | delight. I won't say I rescued him but I did get him out of
           | there with some blood loss (mine). Maybe a study on the cat -
           | mongoose correlation?
        
       | agency wrote:
       | I'm very sad I can't view the figures, which appear to include at
       | least a couple of shots of cats sitting in things. It looks like
       | the Kanizsa square illusion they're referring to is this:
       | https://puzzlewocky.com/optical-illusions/kanizsa-square-and...
        
         | vitus wrote:
         | Ars Technica has the pictures from the paper:
         | 
         | https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/what-cats-love-of-bo...
         | 
         | But, also, I was able to find a PDF download through Google
         | Scholar (https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cluster=95559247038
         | 477495...) -- for whatever reason the HTML link provides me
         | with a "Download PDF" link even when in incognito.
        
           | est31 wrote:
           | > for whatever reason the HTML link provides me with a
           | "Download PDF" link even when in incognito.
           | 
           | That means that you likely use university/college internet
           | and your institution has purchased institution access. This
           | access is usually implemented in the form that everyone from
           | the institution's network can download the paper, without
           | having to log in at the publisher's website or anything.
           | Basically an ip based whitelist.
        
             | vitus wrote:
             | I could believe that, if I were living on a college campus.
             | But no, I'm using a residential ISP, and every geoip site
             | I've checked in the past agrees re: my ISP.
             | 
             | I recall in the past when I was on a university connection,
             | I was also greeted by some sort of affiliate banner
             | indicating that I was getting access through the
             | university.
        
           | isatty wrote:
           | While I appreciate the article (it's not on scihub) - why is
           | Ars such garbage now that either it autoplays something with
           | sound or permits such ads?
        
             | dylan604 wrote:
             | Probably has something to do with being owned by Conde Nast
        
         | rsj_hn wrote:
         | All the cats I had immediately sit on any new item brought into
         | the house, so there may be some confounding variables.
        
       | guenthert wrote:
       | Obfuscated Javascript didn't render here (Chromebook), found what
       | looked like the abstract:
       | 
       | "A well-known phenomenon to cat owners is the tendency of their
       | cats to sit in enclosed spaces such as boxes, laundry baskets,
       | and even shape outlines taped on the floor. This investigative
       | study asks whether domestic cats (<em>Felis silvestris
       | catus</em>) are also susceptible to sitting in enclosures that
       | are illusory in nature, utilizing cats' attraction to box-like
       | spaces to assess their perception of the Kanizsa square visual
       | illusion. Carried out during the COVID-19 pandemic, this study
       | randomly assigned citizen science participants Booklets of six
       | randomized, counterbalanced daily stimuli to print out, prepare,
       | and place on the floor in pairs. Owners observed and
       | videorecorded their cats' behavior with the stimuli and reported
       | findings from home over the course of the six daily trials. This
       | study ultimately reached over 500 pet cats and cat owners, and of
       | those, 30 completed all of the study's trials. Of these, nine cat
       | subjects selected at least one stimulus by sitting within the
       | contours (illusory or otherwise) with all limbs for at least
       | three seconds. This study revealed that cats selected the Kanizsa
       | illusion just as often as the square and more often than the
       | control, indicating that domestic cats may treat the subjective
       | Kanizsa contours as they do real contours. Given the drawbacks of
       | citizen science projects such as participant attrition, future
       | research would benefit from replicating this study in controlled
       | settings. To the best of our knowledge, this investigation is the
       | first of its kind in three regards: a citizen science study of
       | cat cognition; a formal examination into cats' attraction to 2D
       | rather than 3D enclosures; and study into cats' susceptibility to
       | illusory contours in an ecologically relevant paradigm. This
       | study demonstrates the potential of more ecologically valid study
       | of pet cats, and more broadly provides an interesting new
       | perspective into cat visual perception research."
       | 
       | Thought that might be of interest to other who, like me, couldn't
       | grok the headline.
        
         | dvh wrote:
         | I predict that in the future, 90% of HN comments will be about
         | how to read the damn article.
        
       | Datenstrom wrote:
       | Was going to post the real link but unfortunately looks like it
       | isn't on scihub yet.
        
         | softblush wrote:
         | New articles are on pause currently
        
           | cpach wrote:
           | Do you know why?
        
             | rand0mx1 wrote:
             | due to some suit in Indian High court
        
               | sleavey wrote:
               | Why does Sci-Hub care about the Indian High court?
        
               | joshuaissac wrote:
               | Because Sci-Hub is defending this case in court (unlike
               | in some other cases where they ignored proceedings), so
               | ignoring the court order to pause adding new papers would
               | hurt their chances of winning.
        
               | sleavey wrote:
               | Interesting. I figured they would continue not to engage
               | with any governments. Do you know why they chose to take
               | part in this court case?
        
               | unmole wrote:
               | Possibly because Indian courts previously ruled that
               | making photocopies of textbooks for educational purposes
               | is _fair use_ under copyright law:
               | https://selvams.com/blog/breakthrough-indian-copyright-
               | law/
        
               | captn3m0 wrote:
               | Sci-Hub is defending itself in the Indian High Court, and
               | the case is still being heard. The court asked it to stop
               | uploading new materials in the interim[0], and they seem
               | to be honoring it to avoid contempt of court I guess.
               | 
               | [0]: https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/delhi-hc-
               | asks-libg...
        
           | Datenstrom wrote:
           | Thanks, I had no idea. I hope the case ends in favor of them,
           | it has been an invaluable resource for me since I left
           | University.
           | 
           | Does anyone know if there is a way to support them?
        
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       | etiam wrote:
       | Surely this will get at least a nomination for the IgNobel
       | awards?
       | 
       | Quirky study, but in the best sense of it.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I'm flabergasted that they recevie so few completed studies. I
         | thought asking people to take pictures of their cat would be
         | like "duh, I do that anyways" level of easy.
        
       | podiki wrote:
       | Coverage on Ars: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/what-
       | cats-love-of-bo... (and posted on HN:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27069741)
        
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