[HN Gopher] 'Sesame Street': From Radical Experiment to Beloved ...
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       'Sesame Street': From Radical Experiment to Beloved TV Mainstay
        
       Author : pseudolus
       Score  : 71 points
       Date   : 2021-05-09 10:34 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | neilv wrote:
       | I think I liked Sesame Street well enough, but, as an adult now,
       | I'm not sure what their pedagogic/developmental intent was with
       | this format:                   o/~         Three of these kids
       | belong together...         Three of these kids are kind of the
       | same...         But one of these kids is doing his own thing...
       | o/~
       | 
       | (Watch out for nonconformists)
       | 
       | (Denounce them to authorities)
       | 
       | (persistent song repetition, for operant conditioning)
        
         | AndrewBissell wrote:
         | There's a lot to suggest that _Sesame Street_ is not the
         | harmless quirky kids ' show it's made out to be. From
         | https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/03/21/obey-the-cookie-
         | mons...:
         | 
         |  _Not long ago the new television ad featuring Sesame Street's
         | Cookie Monster pitching the iPhone 6 would have been considered
         | a deplorable exploitation of children's culture for profit. But
         | this final collapse of a putatively public educational project
         | into the realm of corporate marketing caused little stir, quite
         | possibly because Big Capitalism was written into Sesame
         | Street's DNA from Day One.
         | 
         | Sesame Street was born as a ruling class experiment in social
         | control, managed and funded by the Carnegie Endowment in
         | concert with the Ford Foundation and federal agencies.
         | Carnegie's Children's Television Workshop (CTW) created the
         | show as a conscious response to late 60s urban insurrections
         | and African-American revolutionary sentiment."_
        
           | allturtles wrote:
           | > There's a lot to suggest that Sesame Street is not the
           | harmless quirky kids' show it's made out to be.
           | 
           | If there's anything to suggest it, it's not in this article.
           | The author seems to be angry that a children's television
           | program was not designed as a vehicle for encouraging
           | socialist revolution.
        
           | mycologos wrote:
           | That article seems to just be a sequence of innuendos and
           | insinuations meant to surround Sesame Street with unsavory
           | associations without ever actually providing evidence of
           | them. Seriously, they're arguing that Sesame Street is
           | responsible for _advertisers copying their format_ and
           | failing to teach long-form critical thinking to _pre-
           | schoolers_.
        
       | ravenstine wrote:
       | Why do they still make Sesame Street episodes? There's 51 seasons
       | of content, but the audience is realistically only going to spend
       | a few years of their lives watching it. Kids these days should
       | probably get a "best of" selection of episodes that aren't
       | ridiculously out of date. Otherwise, most of it is evergreen.
        
         | koolba wrote:
         | > Why do they still make Sesame Street episodes? There's 51
         | seasons of content, but the audience is realistically only
         | going to spend a few years of their lives watching it.
         | 
         | Because the producers think that having Elmo telling kids that
         | their parents are racists is a good idea:
         | https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1269270231383449601
         | 
         | I really don't get it. Children are blameless innocent minds
         | and truly feel that it's things like this that pervert them for
         | years to come.
        
           | jjj1232 wrote:
           | Are you referencing something specific? I watched that whole
           | clip you linked, and there's nothing in it that would
           | "pervert" a child's mind.
           | 
           | It's a clip explaining what protesting is, and what racism
           | is. Both seem like valid things to explain on a kids show. Is
           | your issue that it's lightly in support of the BLM protests?
        
         | boomboomsubban wrote:
         | I haven't watched Sesame Street for like thirty years, but my
         | memory of it was that every episode had both new segments and
         | best of segments.
         | 
         | I think more things would feel out of date than you'd think,
         | though by now they probably do have enough evergreen segments
         | to manage ~3 years of shows they would likely not cover the
         | full range of desired topics.
        
       | subpixel wrote:
       | The trailer includes the Stevie Wonder Sesame Street appearance
       | that is a hit with my toddler, and me
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8lUnI35Sd8&t=39s
        
       | jeffwass wrote:
       | I've always wondered how many classic Sesame Street sketches were
       | made by artists and animators while tripping on psychadelics.
       | 
       | All the sketches below are ones I've seen when I was little.
       | 
       | The legendery Pinball Number Count, with music by the Pointer
       | Sisters : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZshZp-cxKg
       | 
       | Totally tripped-out alphabet, and I mean totally tripped-out :
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waxmzwxpKOo
       | 
       | Multi-armed guru counting to twenty a few times including in
       | Spanish : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOkbuwRUTZo
       | 
       | Little kid gets lost in a weird neighborhood :
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqPcQeMEnFc
        
         | MarkLowenstein wrote:
         | People often wonder this about psychedelia art. But is it even
         | possible? The alphabet one, for example. It takes awhile to
         | draw the stationary design behind any of those letters, let
         | alone an animated sequence that transitions to the next one.
         | Surely the mind of someone hallucinating would have moved on to
         | many other fleeting visions before even finishing the letter A.
        
           | jeffwass wrote:
           | That's a good point. They could have designed the overall
           | vision for how and what to create while under the influence,
           | for example.
        
         | SavantIdiot wrote:
         | Philip Glass scored an animation for Sesame Street.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JWwOzEDGss
         | 
         | I blame this for my interest in modern classical. I can't
         | imagine them doing something so progressive today. But that's
         | because they had a captive audience in the 70's.
        
         | moralestapia wrote:
         | The myth that drugs make you more creative is, well, a myth.
         | 
         | I've had a few content-producing startups and I can tell you
         | that there was literally no correlation between the
         | amount/quality of the art produced and whether the person
         | making it was a drug-addict or not (everybody was treated
         | equally at my place).
         | 
         | If you want to know the secret behind creative genius, it is,
         | as in other things, hard work and dedication. No substitute for
         | that.
        
       | pram wrote:
       | I watched some of the new Sesame Street with my toddlers and it's
       | frankly just boring and cheap now. All the other characters have
       | been sidelined for Elmo. The songs and themes are really
       | repetitive too.
       | 
       | I mean I know it's for infants, and it feels petty complaining,
       | but the episodes from the 80s are like a million times better lol
        
         | moshmosh wrote:
         | Changing the "main character" from Big Bird to Elmo, and other
         | re-structuring of the show, really did harm it a ton.
         | 
         | Sells merch better, though. And I dunno, maybe zero kids would
         | still watch it in a world of smart phones and YouTube and other
         | relatively frantic entertainment for pre-schoolers, if it were
         | still as sedate as it once was. Maybe kids can't relate or look
         | up to Big Bird like they can wacky, high-energy Elmo, anymore.
        
           | floren wrote:
           | I thought I read something about how _Grover_ was the main
           | character, intended to be a little older than the viewers,
           | while Big Bird was supposed to be a little younger and more
           | of an audience surrogate.
           | 
           | Of course that all depends on your own definition of what a
           | "main character" is, but it's hard to deny it became The Elmo
           | Show at some point.
        
             | subungual wrote:
             | I think the piece you're both referencing is here:
             | 
             | https://kotaku.com/how-elmo-ruined-sesame-street-1746504585
        
           | FridayoLeary wrote:
           | Maybe they need to come up with new ideas, _' baby shark' and
           | Elmo will fight to the death on Sesame Street today!_
           | 
           | That should liven things up a bit. (no, I've never watched
           | Sesame Street)
        
       | jdkee wrote:
       | And on to teaching Critical Race Theory.
       | 
       | https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/sesame-street-surrende...
        
         | meepmorp wrote:
         | Good for them!
        
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