[HN Gopher] Why should I put my website to sleep? ___________________________________________________________________ Why should I put my website to sleep? Author : tobr Score : 51 points Date : 2021-05-10 20:04 UTC (2 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.nightnight.xn--q9jyb4c) (TXT) w3m dump (www.nightnight.xn--q9jyb4c) | simonblack wrote: | Bedtime? Where in the world is it bedtime at this moment? | | This policy is only workable if your country uses a little-used | language and takes up only a single timezone. | | Dumb idea. Unnecessary complexity in a website. | solox3 wrote: | The script uses the device time. | dheera wrote: | That doesn't work well for me because I use UTC as my device | time regardless of where I am in the world. | | IP geolocation isn't a good idea either because I often | access pages through a VPN in another timezone. | | In short, nice thought but no thanks. | sneak wrote: | The page mentions it uses the local clock/time zone in the | browser viewing the page. | jorgesborges wrote: | Aside from being instructed to sleep, which is a little juvenile, | there's something charming about the idea of a website being | "closed" for the day. It has the feel of a living, dynamic thing. | Definitely not suitable for all types of websites but it's a neat | idea for personal a page. I don't think I'd ever use a third- | party to implement something like this either. | | I like the clean margins and typography there. | uyt wrote: | A lot of government websites are Monday to Friday only. I like | to joke that they don't even have one 9 of availability. | | (e.g., https://www.irs.gov/payments/view-your-tax-account see | the "Hours of availability" section) | viraptor wrote: | You scared me with the Mon-Fri, but actually irs is mon | (morning)--sat (night) and sun (morning)--mon (unless | maintenance happens). Which sounds fairly reasonable. | jetpackjoe wrote: | B&H is a Jewish electronics store here in NY. From sundown | Friday until sundown Saturday you can't place any orders on | their site, (though you can still window shop). | | https://www.bhphotovideo.com | simon1573 wrote: | Up until recently the Swedish tax office only permitted you to | login during extended office hours. | 542458 wrote: | The B&H photo video website won't accept orders or payments | during Shabbat and most Jewish holidays (except for | Hanukkah). | Baeocystin wrote: | I really, really dislike the 'for your own good' impetus that | seems to be a common current design trend. | | We're already dealing with information-density loss and the | Fisher-Pricification of the GUI, and maybe this is the next step | in overwrought 'we know what you want to do better than you'. | | I have no ire for the creator of this. But respect boundaries, | people. You are not your user's parents. | bowmessage wrote: | It's early... Nothing we can offer you is more important than | your health. Eat well, run some laps, and we will catch you in | the afternoon. This site will be usable after 100 push ups. | dheera wrote: | Exactly. | | This page which uses device time doesn't work well for me | because I use UTC as my device time regardless of where I am in | the world. | | IP geolocation isn't a good idea either because I often access | pages through a VPN in another timezone. | | In short, nice thought but no thanks. | | Also, great way to get your page downranked if a search engine | comes prowling around your website at night. | enneff wrote: | You're probably one of about 100 people in the world who set | their device time to UTC. I don't think it's reasonable for | any designer to cater for this use case. | easton wrote: | Every time I set up a server I set it to UTC, since who | knows where I'm accessing it from anyhow. Maybe OP thinks | similarly of their PC? | zestyping wrote: | I wonder how many people actually do this. I also set my | laptop and wristwatch time to UTC. | enneff wrote: | Honestly, I'll take designers thinking about the well-being of | their users, even if it comes across as condescending. The | common alternative is to wring as much attention out of the | user as possible, pushing their buttons so they keep using the | app until every last drop of dopamine has been exploited. | alphachloride wrote: | Interesting how a non-latin Top Level Domain renders in the | address bar(.minna) vs how the author writes it in the <script> | tag in his article (.xn--q9jyb4c). | tW4r wrote: | You can even have emojis in your domain using the same | technique https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punycode | deergomoo wrote: | It's pretty condescending to be told to go to sleep by a website. | It's 22:44. | itisit wrote: | Seriously. Many of us access sites when we can, not necessarily | when we want. I know there's a bypass feature, but being | greeted by this kind of nannying reminder can come across as | annoying, at the least, to a certain nocturnal group of folks | (ex. hospital staff, parents of newborns, security guards, | etc.). | geoah wrote: | I don't think this is meant for such sites but I can def see | a benefit for social, news, or other "addictive" sites that | might be detrimental to people's mental health. | | IOS, Android, and at least Macos have the ability to help | users restrict the time they spend on an application, but | doing so on the web is not as simple. In chrome I'm using | "Intention" which is a nice extension that does something | similar but for only the sites I've added to a list. | | As long as the site has a way to allow me to still browse the | site or even give me 15m more or something and then fade to | black again I'd welcome this from many sites. | itisit wrote: | And I'd equally welcome the browser extension that bypasses | this sort of thing. :) | | It's good in theory, but thankfully lacks the contextual | information it would need to be appropriately enabled for a | given user's sleep schedule. | jokocide wrote: | This is dumb. If any site does this to me I'll immediately move | to a competitor or just stop using it entirely. | edoceo wrote: | This isn't a new trick. Some US Gov sites have hours of | operation. From memory the IRS has one, and recently I noticed | one of the gov sites for LA had "hours" for some parts, so I | could only do forms when they were open. | chrismorgan wrote: | A remark for JavaScript developers: for injecting its content | into the body, this script creates a dummy div (it has no | attributes and is targeted by no styles), sets its innerHTML, | then appends it to the body. That dummy div is actually | unnecessary: Element.insertAdjacentHTML lets you achieve the same | effect without it: | document.body.insertAdjacentHTML('beforeend', '<div | class="nightnight">...</div>'); | | Browser support is universal. (Firefox was last to the game, | getting it in Firefox 8, 91/2 years ago. IE introduced it, in | version 4.) | | I have more remarks I could make, but I'll leave it at that one. | It's the most interesting. | neckardt wrote: | Unfortunately I use Firefox with privacy.resistFingerprinting set | to true. This disables leaking time zone information, so when | javascript tries to query the time of day it gets a time 7 hours | ahead of my actual time zone. | | In other words, this function would break websites for me, the | demo thinks it's night even though I haven't even had dinner yet. | hexane360 wrote: | I love resistFingerprinting, but I really wish it had a | whitelist for certain data on certain sites. Maybe I want my | calendar app to know what time zone I'm in! | throwawayfb996 wrote: | I think the demo always thinks it's night though, by design, | because that's the demo. | paxys wrote: | Trying to define or prescribe a standard sleep schedule for | everyone is pointless. There are people sleeping 9pm-5am and | others 2am-10am, sometimes in the same household. Some people | sleep fewer hours at night and take naps during the day. No | single habit is "correct". | | Semi-related - I have had so many frustrating experiences with | government websites which only operate during business hours. | [deleted] | ShakataGaNai wrote: | No. Just no. | | Don't make assumptions about your users. Maybe it's important to | them. Maybe they have insomnia. Maybe they are staying up late. | Maybe they work early/late in concert with someone elsewhere in | the world. Maybe they're sleep schedule is different from yours | | Or maybe they just work the night shift. | sodality2 wrote: | There is a "I'll sleep later, I really need to use this site | right now -" button, by the way. | lainga wrote: | Compare to HN's sentiment the last time this was posted! | | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11777562 | new299 wrote: | I'm a bit confused by the name, what's the Japan connection? | | The developer seems to be called Masamichi Souzou (Zheng Dao | Xiang Xiang ) but doesn't seem to have any connection to Japan? | Is there something I've missed? Just seems odd to me. | krisroadruck wrote: | Culture fetishization. | tkiolp4 wrote: | I thought that the webserver would be actually in sleep mode, | like a laptop. That would be interesting though. | busymom0 wrote: | That won't work as visitors from many other time zones still | need to see it. | rozab wrote: | Apparently the DVLA got this memo. They've disabled all their web | forms outside of working hours. | chapium wrote: | This should be opt-in. | Breefield wrote: | No! | dimva wrote: | If anyone is motivated to do this for some weird reason, please | self-host the code instead of exposing your users to potential | hacking. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-05-10 23:00 UTC)