[HN Gopher] FDA authorizes Pfizer vaccine for kids age 12 to 15 ___________________________________________________________________ FDA authorizes Pfizer vaccine for kids age 12 to 15 Author : jbredeche Score : 66 points Date : 2021-05-10 21:27 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.nytimes.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.nytimes.com) | vmception wrote: | Go USA! What is the current standard of review for these | authorizations since complete clinical trials are not possible, | and a convenient point of contention for people that opt-out of | taking the vaccine (most of them would move the goal post to | something else even with successful clinical trials with a | relatable list of side effects, but I was wondering about this | process) | vecplane wrote: | Isn't it reasonable to have the option to opt-out of taking | these vaccines, in the absence of more complete data and | longer-term trials? | happytoexplain wrote: | Sure - but the parent didn't criticize the existence of the | option. They criticized the decision making that many (not | all) people use when exercising that option. | kurthr wrote: | Yes, I think that at this point putting your own life at risk | is acceptable. You'll probably have to wear a mask since you | could make other people sick (who could then pass it on to | someone immunocompromised). Of course you could face a civil | suit, if someone get's sick or dies, and you can be shown as | the proximate cause of illness. Your employer may choose not | to take that risk. | | If you're licensed in many states (e.g. medical, etc.) you're | already required to be vaccinated against flu/TB. With EUA | they've put this off, but with full authorization, why treat | it differently? | | One question, what long term effect of the vaccines are you | concerned about, that wouldn't be far less severe than | actually being infected? | vmception wrote: | Many people are wary of the newness of mRNA technology. | | They think a long term affect has been overlooked or is | unknown. Although some people make up long term effects, | many other people are just acknowledging the absence of | history to tell, and thats valid. | | (Very few of the people opting out are distinguishing | between any vaccine technology though. But some are.) | Pfhreak wrote: | Isn't "the mRNA technology" decades old at this point? | Yes, this might be the first wide spread human | deployment, but they've been researching the technique in | animals for over thirty years. | | What's the bar for when a technology is no longer "new"? | sokoloff wrote: | For healthy, young people, I can see many of them making a | not-irrational judgement that with the reports of blood- | clot side effects above the population expectancy [from | AZ's vaccine], coupled with a lack of full authorization | for any of them, to conclude that waiting is reasonable for | them. I support what I believe is their right to make that | choice _particularly_ in advance of a full approval for | use. | | (I'm fully vaccinated as of today, just as context for what | I said above. I came to a different [and I believe | rational] calculation of my own risk-balance of | complications from the vaccine versus fading the COVID risk | unvaccinated for me and my family/colleagues and signed up | for the very first shot I could get, a 75 minute drive | away.) | sithadmin wrote: | In the absence of legitimate health concerns preventing one | from safely receiving the vaccines, it's increasingly | _unreasonable_ and arguably unethical to opt-out of taking | the vaccines. | [deleted] | bongobingos wrote: | Fortunately, America isn't an autocratic dictatorship. | kurthr wrote: | The clinical trials are actually the same (statistical power) | as previous vaccine trials. They've simply enrolled more people | faster and had a higher infection rate to evaluate safety and | efficacy. It is likely in the next month that Pfizer will get a | standard (non Emergency Use) Authorization. | | https://www.biospace.com/article/pfizer-biontech-and-moderna... | | The reason for EUA was that so many people were dying that some | more limited (<1yr clinical safety) data was accepted. Now that | many of the original subjects are falling past 1yr post | inoculation (and variants have been evaluated) a full | authorization in eminent. Previously, people worried that once | one vaccine was authorized other EUA (NovaVax, AZ/ChadOx, etc) | wouldn't happened, has also been resolved since the FDA | realizes people want choice. | mixmastamyk wrote: | I've recently heard a few parents talking about getting their | kids these shots. So I decided to take a look at the CDC numbers | again. There's a graph where you can select death counts per age | group: | | https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Se... | | Given that death rates for the elderly are in the thousands per | week, while those for kids jump around two to four or so, is this | a good idea? Typically you want the benefits of a vaccine to | outweigh the risks. I certainly could be missing something, but | it doesn't look like this is the case for healthy kids. | stevefrench93 wrote: | Does anyone know the case fatality rate for children in this age | range? | pragmatic8 wrote: | Yeah. Nil. | randomopining wrote: | Doubters are like "you don't know the long term effects!" | | But you also don't know the long term effects of covid lol. At | least this has been clinically studied for a year. | abfan1127 wrote: | we have year old results for Covid too. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-05-10 23:00 UTC)