[HN Gopher] Comparing trips between cellphone towers and Google ...
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       Comparing trips between cellphone towers and Google timeline (GPS)
        
       Author : leoferres
       Score  : 47 points
       Date   : 2021-05-20 13:44 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
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       | antman wrote:
       | Two disclaimers: Worked telco, I am in Europe and that data is
       | erased afterwards due to GDPR.
       | 
       | So in the telco in the old days one could use bayesian and
       | accross different days data and pretty accurately know where
       | people are. And it wasn't that useful. Identifying through
       | combination of phone, phone contract, landline, wifi over
       | landline which people were in the same household woukd be useful
       | apparently easier but in reality a total mess in terms of edge
       | cases.
        
       | alias_neo wrote:
       | So your phone provider knows which streets you might have walked
       | down, Google knows whose shoulders you might have bumped into.
        
         | Spooky23 wrote:
         | Correct, until you call 911. The PSAP can either get GPS or
         | have the phone pinged to get it.
        
           | brokenkebab wrote:
           | >The PSAP can either get GPS or have the phone pinged to get
           | it.
           | 
           | Could you elaborate? Get GPS how?
        
             | gene91 wrote:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_9-1-1
             | 
             | Many phones manufactured after 2005 have GPS receivers
             | built in. When the cellular phone detects that the user is
             | placing an emergency call, it begins to transmit its
             | location to a secure server, from which the PSAP can
             | retrieve it. Cellphone manufacturers may program the phone
             | to automatically enable GPS functionality (if disabled)
             | when an emergency call is placed, so that it may transmit
             | its location.
        
             | Spooky23 wrote:
             | Phones go into an emergency mode where they transmit the
             | gps location. The accuracy depends on factors including
             | length of call iirc.
             | 
             | I believe they can then call the carrier to ping the phone
             | to report location. Typically that happens if the
             | dispatcher has reason to believe there is a emergency
             | situation and the call drops.
             | 
             | I _think_ the phone will notify you of this. At least it
             | did many years ago when I called 911 for a car accident on
             | the highway.
        
         | leoferres wrote:
         | Yes, telcos have an error of a few km. Google tells me, from
         | another country, where _exactly_ I came from, where _exactly_ I
         | went, and how (walking, driving, ...)
        
           | beauzero wrote:
           | One of the hardest problems, a few years back, to solve was
           | getting data to determine which traffic lane you were in. It
           | was to provide targeted ads on billboards, that through
           | reflection, could show different ads to people in different
           | lanes based on "external" searches such as browsing patterns.
           | To my knowledge the problem was not solvable using wireless
           | telco data.
        
           | Judgmentality wrote:
           | I've got a bunch of the privacy stuff on my Android phone,
           | and even when I use Google Maps while driving I'll ask
           | "where's the nearest grocery store" and it will regularly
           | think I'm hundreds of miles from where I am. I can't even
           | figure out why. It once thought I was in the ocean.
           | 
           | To be clear, when I am asking this, the phone has access to
           | my location data and everything else it asks for.
        
           | titzer wrote:
           | The accelerometer in most phones is accurate enough to detect
           | individual footsteps. Phones also include a barometer that is
           | sensitive enough to detect which floor of a building you are
           | on. With dead reckoning based on accelerometers, calibrated
           | by GPS, compass, WiFi, and barometric data, people can be
           | located to within centimeters. Activity detection, mode of
           | transport--ha, child's play!
           | 
           | If you run Android, turn off "high location accuracy". It
           | uses all of these features.
        
             | leoferres wrote:
             | :) I really don't care that Google knows what I'm doing.
             | What I do find amazing is that people are usually afraid of
             | telcos for tracking, when it's more like you have to be
             | afraid of Google and apps like Candy Crush...
        
               | titzer wrote:
               | You realize that with a NSL the US government can compel
               | Google to disclose information on anyone and that the
               | contents of NSLs are completely secret, right? Oh yeah,
               | and Google operates globally and no one really knows what
               | arrangements they have with the various governments
               | around the world.
        
               | rurban wrote:
               | Or even worse, arrangements with criminal and terrorist
               | organizations, committing warcrimes all over. They now
               | love to shoot you down with a drone based on Android High
               | Accuracy Location Tracking, without any due process. They
               | also love to block free travel without due process. It's
               | called freedom (of civil rights, to block and terminate).
        
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