[HN Gopher] Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search
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Show HN: CRM for Your Job Search
Author : pbmango
Score : 38 points
Date : 2021-05-23 17:26 UTC (5 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.kiter.app)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.kiter.app)
| pirate787 wrote:
| As a native English-speaker in the US, the name seems
| problematic. "Kiter" is not a word and feels closer to a
| profanity rather than a reference to a kite. Further a "kite"
| doesn't have an aspirational metaphor in US-English-- in fact it
| is the opposite, "Go fly a kite" is a dismissive phrase. I don't
| think the name is viable.
| admangan wrote:
| Good points. We are both avid kite surfers so did some word
| magic to come up with Kiter. We also wanted to emulate the
| image of having a string from your kite so you can have
| control. A tether from the traditional spray and pray method of
| applications to something grounded. But being a word wasn't
| high on our criteria list. For example Uber and Spanx both
| aren't words.
| pbmango wrote:
| If you can imagine the job hunt as an exciting experiment it
| might unlock new approaches.
|
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin_Drawing_El.
| ..
| mcmeowerson wrote:
| Have you heard of "kiting" before? Kiter seems like a great
| name in this context, having job prospects predictably chasing
| you rather than you hopelessly chasing them.
| bogdanoff_2 wrote:
| "kiting" in the context of video games means continuously
| moving in and out of range of an enemy in order to hit it and
| and avoid being hit yourself.
| Zababa wrote:
| As a non native english speaker, the name is perfectly fine.
| It's in the line of "er" names: twitter, tumblr, flickr. I'm
| glad they went with "Kiter" and not "Kitr".
| jeena wrote:
| Some early feedback:
|
| I use uBlock origin to block all external scripts and then the
| page is just white until I disable it, not a nice experience.
|
| I tried to add my first Application and I'm getting: "Sorry, we
| ran into a temporary bug and can't complete your request. We'll
| fix it as soon as we can; please try again in a bit!" I basically
| only put in "Qualcomm" as the company name then
| https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/2403729547/ as the link and
| "Deep Learning SW Engineer - Embedded-AI-Framework" as the
| position, nothing more. I created a user with a email address,
| nothing more.
| admangan wrote:
| Thanks for pointing this out! I think this stems from a program
| we use to scrape company logos off of their names/links. When
| you put in the Linkedin link it triggered an error. We have a
| case handler for that but it isn't always 100% effective. I
| just replicated it on my own account and it seemed to work. It
| is possible it is the firefox as well as we have had some
| issues on there.
|
| If you email me at andrew@kiter.app I can help further!
| jeena wrote:
| Oh and I'm using Firefox on Linux
| admangan wrote:
| Someone found a workaround in our mobile demo and was adding lots
| of new applications! All hands on deck to fix the issue!
| Appreciate the stress testing @everyone
| dyeje wrote:
| A fun feature would be to generate one of those job search Sankey
| diagrams that Reddit loves.
| Angostura wrote:
| Sign up with Google. No thanks.
| admangan wrote:
| Is this because you're worried about security or integration?
| Just curious as the reason. We initially added it to make it
| easier for users, but still offer traditional sign up.
| g42gregory wrote:
| Interesting product. As a feedback, anything that builds on top
| of existing Google infrastructure, including Chrome and Gmail, I
| would no longer consider. The same goes for products that tie me
| into other large platforms such as Apple, FB, etc... Also, it
| does not have to be free for me. Happy to pay $10/month, up to
| $20/month, especially if CRM could be extended to networking,
| fundraising, and other communication activities. Hopefully this
| helps.
| pbmango wrote:
| This is helpful. The chrome plug-in is an only an optional add
| on to make the core product "the board" more effective as is
| the log in with google option.
|
| Part of the value is to be disconnected from google/linkedin/FB
| for core planning operations. This is one of the reasons we are
| not integrating with LinkedIn profiles.
|
| To your last point, we are working on some exciting features to
| extend the networking/fundraising/comms that you mentioned to
| bolster what is currently offered. Thank you for the input.
| pbmango wrote:
| My brother and I were tired of managing various job apps or
| companies we might want to work with some day in email or not at
| all. Kiter is a private repo for your job search - both what you
| have done and recommending what to do next based on where you are
| in your process.
| dvtrn wrote:
| From your Privacy Policy:
|
| "8. Disclosure of Data We may disclose personal information
| that we collect, or you provide:
|
| [...]
|
| (i) to our subsidiaries and affiliates;"
|
| Can you elaborate how you define "private repo" in this context
| while also stating that my personal information may be shared
| with "subsidiaries and affiliates" in the context of your
| Privacy Policy?
| admangan wrote:
| By private we meant that there is no social aspect of the
| product. We don't ever share user's name email etc. unless
| you opt to share it with recruiters at the companies you are
| applying to.
| dvtrn wrote:
| Thank you for the clarification. If my data will not be
| shared unless I opt-in, who are the affiliates and
| subsidiaries mentioned in your privacy policy?
|
| Could the policy be amended to be more descriptive in how
| personal information will be used? For example, I observe
| that the policy outlines several definitions that are to be
| used throughout, but specifically those two terms are not
| defined for users of the service who may be privacy-minded
| users.
| pbmango wrote:
| Yes - we have no affiliates and can revisit the policy to
| make that clearer. Thank you for pointing that out as we
| do not want any ambiguity for users.
|
| Information is used to generate an automated in-app
| "Battery" score to give you an idea of how close you
| likely are to an offer across all applications.
| dvtrn wrote:
| Thank you! And good luck, congrats on launching
| MattGaiser wrote:
| Are many people actually applying for enough jobs for this to
| have a major use? I know there are plenty of stories of new grads
| needing 300 applications to get a job, but how common is that?
| How many jobs were you applying for to inspire this?
|
| As an aside, I like your use of the Chrome extension as I built
| something similar at my company for legal research.
| pbmango wrote:
| Hi Matt. Great question. Our users typically track <20
| applications but often have submitted resumes to far more that
| they are not monitoring. It probably is not an effective
| strategy to dedicate a specific plan to every 100+ cold
| application you fill out, but keeping track of the macro
| picture is extremely valuable - where have I applied and when -
| and what does this tell me about how close I am to an offer.
| Applicants using Kiter can move beyond relying on gmail search
| to understand where they are in their timeline.
|
| You mentioned new grads and that demographic is a big portion
| of our user base so far. That being said, in todays remote
| world, almost any talented potential applicant is probably
| monitoring a few opportunities, even if they are happy in their
| current role. The plugin (v1) will be a way for someone to
| capture down a role/company they might find on HN or twitter
| but are not ready to spend time applying for yet. I hope this
| is helpful.
| saadalem wrote:
| I guess whether people are laid off or just looking for new
| opportunities, it may not be easy to keep all the resumes,
| responses, contacts and interview results together, also maybe
| they already applied for this position? to this company? If so,
| when and why didn't they still have an offer from them? If they
| rejected, for what reason? what about reference contacts? test
| assignments?
|
| so an online service for keeping all information about their
| job search process may be helpful.
| admangan wrote:
| Exactly. Our longterm goal is to not just help with the job
| you are applying to currently, but to help you get your next
| job as well.
| alexjplant wrote:
| Yes. I had a Trello board specifically for this purpose.
|
| If you're selective about the job you want then you have to
| cast your net far and wide until you find The One. Recruiters
| will ghost you, low salary bands will be withheld until the
| second or third call, you won't find out about team drama until
| one interviewer talks trash about another that you spoke to
| earlier, a remote job will magically turn into an on-site one
| because the recruiter told you incorrectly, your prospective
| manager will expect 60 hour weeks plus a mandatory on-call
| rotation with no compensation, twelve-hour-long coding
| assignments involving proprietary technologies and/or reverse
| engineering will be sprung on you prematurely, etc.
|
| When I was searching for a job recently I could have had one at
| the drop of a hat. Instead I held out until I found a good fit
| and I'm immensely glad that I did.
| ptmcc wrote:
| I can't imagine applying to that many jobs as an experienced
| dev. My last job transition I narrowed down my search to 3
| companies that I was interested in enough to apply & interview,
| based on combination of compensation, culture, and product. Got
| an excellent offer from one of them, and still happy 2+ years
| later.
|
| I know that's a fortunate position to be in, but it's been a
| job-seeker's market for years. I feel like if you know your
| skills and value you can afford to be selective and focus your
| efforts on quality vs quantity. It obviously takes the stress
| off to already be employed and looking to move/upgrade. You can
| interview the companies as much as they are interviewing you.
| bawitt wrote:
| I like the battery score, like gamifying successful job hunting
| behavior more or less.
|
| Does Kiter have workflow tools to make those best practices
| easier? Or will it?
|
| I'm thinking like email templates and a sending server so I can
| do cold outreach to a bunch of companies at once.
|
| Or hook up my LinkedIn and get notified of people in my network
| who can help me get referred in to a company I added to Kiter. I
| know LinkedIn is hard to work with but I think Drafted is a tool
| that does this to help current employees refer new candidates in
| to their current employer.
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