[HN Gopher] Astronomers have created the largest ever map of dar...
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       Astronomers have created the largest ever map of dark matter
        
       Author : chriskanan
       Score  : 39 points
       Date   : 2021-05-29 10:16 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.newscientist.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.newscientist.com)
        
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       | DudeInBasement wrote:
       | Lol, they haven't even found any yet and they made a map? I guess
       | you got to do something with that grant money
        
         | gus_massa wrote:
         | Alternative title: " _Group of scientists assuming that the
         | current model of gravity is correct look at the discrepancies
         | in the observations and calculate a map of where and how much
         | matter would be necessary to fix this difference. Some of them
         | believe this additional mater is real, and some of them doubt,
         | but meanwhile to make the titles shorter they use the catchy
         | name of dark matter._ "
        
         | Bancakes wrote:
         | Not to sound hateful but who are the neo-scientists? You go
         | through school, high school, then you get a bachelor's. Great.
         | 
         | Then you also go for a master's and a PhD. Maybe even a post-
         | doc?!
         | 
         | So you haven't taken part in the economy for 10 years of your
         | adulthood, you don't have serious job prospects, and you need
         | mortgage/family money. What do you do?
         | 
         | Maybe that explains the abundance of cheap, unverifiable,
         | irreproducible studies.
        
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           | anticristi wrote:
           | Not sure who invented the academia-industry dichotomy, but
           | he/she deserves a society-wide slap. Society loses, the
           | individual loses. My career is just a big middle finger
           | pointed at this dichotomy.
        
           | Blikkentrekker wrote:
           | At least where I live, many start earning some salary from
           | academic contribution of some minor sort during the
           | bachelor's trajectory, typically by assisting in lessons to
           | lower classes, most art to do so during master's, and _Ph.D._
           | students are employed by the institute that promotes them and
           | earn a full salary for their research.
           | 
           | The real issue isn't that, the real issue to me is quite a
           | few research fields are purely taking part in oeconomy and
           | entertainment, and essentially funded of sponsorships
           | generate by spectacular news reports and nothing more.
           | 
           | A very large quantity of scientific research is purely
           | infotainment and doesn't actually generate knowledge that is
           | used for anything but merely interesting to read, which is
           | what could cause the replication crisis to go unnoticed for
           | so long among other things: no one found out, as no one was
           | using it in any way that relied upon it's veracity, and many
           | even made up data for decades and went unnoticed.
           | 
           | I recently read a paper that studied some social parts of the
           | acquisition of language in Japanese, -- quite interesting to
           | read, and as usual it was quite spectacular because the
           | findings went against the established ideas, but this
           | knowledge merely exists to be "fascinating" and it won't ever
           | be used for anything that assumes it's veracity, and as a
           | consequence the data could have been pulled from the aether
           | and no one would ever find out and replication will surely
           | never occur,and even if it would, it would be too late as
           | some years would have passed and the original auctor can
           | always argue that these social matters changed within the
           | interval.
        
           | Mike86534 wrote:
           | That's one reason why they sell their souls to the Climate UN
           | / NWO scam and pump out trash papers based on fudged
           | data/models that backs up the fearmongering narrative.
           | 
           | https://www.thegwpf.org/content/uploads/2018/02/Groupthink.p.
           | ..
        
           | ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
           | You have a bit of a caricatural take on research.
           | 
           | From a societal perspective, PhDs and postdocs take part in
           | the economy, they have a job, make money, spend money,
           | produce research sometimes in partnership with the industry,
           | sometimes with immediate applications, sometimes theoretical
           | with applications that will only come decades down the line.
           | There is no reason to set the line at Bachelors, as a society
           | we've found it's best to have a subset of the population go
           | into higher studies. We used to have children participate in
           | the economy 10 to 15 years earlier in fields and factories
           | and it wasn't so good.
           | 
           | From the perspective of the individual, getting a PhD isn't
           | always much longer than getting a Masters, and teaches you
           | skill you will not acquire anywhere else. It also opens the
           | door to research positions that would not be accessible to
           | you without it. And you can have greater expected monetary
           | returns on the medium and long term. I've known a lot of
           | people doing PhDs, a good amount doing it for prestige,
           | because it was the expected next step after a masters. Many
           | others were doing it out of passion, for the freedom to study
           | things they were interested in an amazing environment. So on
           | an individual level many people find it worth it whether
           | their priority is money or intellectual pursuits.
        
         | Xorlev wrote:
         | It's clear you didn't even try to read the article.
         | 
         | They mapped the distortion effects on visible light thought to
         | be caused by dark matter. They don't know what it is or how it
         | works, but they know _something_ is causing apparent distortion
         | to the light.
        
           | WesleyHale wrote:
           | That _something_ might as well be interdemensional pixies.
        
             | ben_w wrote:
             | Sure, just so long as the pixies don't interact
             | electromagnetically, or strongly with each other by
             | anything except gravity.
        
             | bdamm wrote:
             | Won't it be interesting when our model of physics is
             | updated to explain these cosmological phenomena? Who knows
             | what new technology will be discovered as a result!
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | My brother once jokingly suggested that Dark Energy is
               | the waste product of the power sources of alien
               | civilisations.
               | 
               | (Neither of us is a physicist, but it's an interesting
               | idea for a short story).
        
         | _Microft wrote:
         | What's surprising about that if I may ask?
         | 
         | We have observations that match quite well what would be
         | expected if there was additional matter in the universe. We
         | cannot detect this matter though, so the conjecture is that
         | there must be something that interacts gravitationally with the
         | rest of the universe but not in other ways. We call it dark
         | matter for now. We do not yet know what it consists of, there
         | are even competing theories but mapping the effects of it? That
         | we can do.
         | 
         | This approach is not at all unusual. If you want to know about
         | another example from a different field, look no further than
         | genetics.
         | 
         | Gregor Mendel observed rules for inheritance of certain traits
         | in plants and was able to make predictions from that. He
         | discovered genetics. In the 1850-60ies. This was a long time
         | before Crick, Watson and Franklin discovered the structure of
         | the underlying mechanism for inheritance (DNA).
        
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