[HN Gopher] El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender
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       El Salvador to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender
        
       Author : ncpa-cpl
       Score  : 53 points
       Date   : 2021-06-05 21:43 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | lowkey wrote:
       | Though not mentioned in the article, the President of El
       | Salvadore apparently also mentioned that the country plans to
       | hold Bitcoin as a reserve asset.
        
         | elevenoh wrote:
         | Happen to know whether ElSalv did covertly did most of their
         | purchasing before announcing this? Or have they not purchased
         | btc just yet?
        
           | lowkey wrote:
           | The law hasn't taken effect yet. Apparently it will go to a
           | vote in parliament next week. I'm honestly not sure but would
           | suspect they haven't bought yet but will soon have the legal
           | ability too.
        
       | emc3 wrote:
       | Probably not unrelated: US report: Allies of El Salvador's
       | president deemed corrupt (last month)
       | https://apnews.com/article/latin-america-el-salvador-1d089ae...
        
         | kragen wrote:
         | It wouldn't be surprising if the US government were to take
         | actions against governments that were moving away from the
         | dollar, whether as legal tender, as foreign reserves, but it
         | doesn't seem likely that the USG knew about this move a month
         | in advance. Are you suggesting that the Salvadorean president
         | is attempting to retaliate for the report by dedollarizing?
        
           | cperciva wrote:
           | Nothing to do with retaliation. They just want to protect
           | their assets from being seized by the US government.
        
             | kragen wrote:
             | Hmm, are you suggesting that the US could overthrow their
             | government, either by invasion as in Panama or by funding a
             | terrorist campaign as in Nicaragua, and that Bitcoin would
             | be more secure than suitcases of dollar bills against such
             | actions? Surely not that the US would dramatically devalue
             | its own currency in order to drain El Salvador's reserves?
             | Or are you thinking that dollar-denominated reserves held
             | in overseas banks would be easier for the US to seize, and
             | Bitcoin avoids the need to hold the reserves overseas?
        
         | 6foot4_82iq wrote:
         | America extorts other nations by virtue of the $US being the
         | world's dominant reserve currency. The federal reserve can
         | print money unimpeded, with foreigners bearing the brunt of
         | inflation. The math is simple.
        
       | ncpa-cpl wrote:
       | El Salvador is looking to introduce legislation that will make it
       | the world's first sovereign nation to adopt bitcoin as legal
       | tender, alongside the U.S. dollar.
       | 
       | In a video broadcast to Bitcoin 2021 President Nayib Bukele
       | announced El Salvador's partnership with digital wallet company,
       | Strike, to build the country's modern financial infrastructure
       | using bitcoin technology.
        
         | thinkmassive wrote:
         | This is good news, but note that Japan already declared Bitcoin
         | as legal tender in 2017
         | 
         | https://www.coindesk.com/japan-bitcoin-law-effect-tomorrow
        
           | kragen wrote:
           | https://archive.fo/Gb8Wo
           | 
           | It looks like Japan did not, in fact, declare Bitcoin to be
           | legal tender ("a form of money that courts of law are
           | required to recognize as satisfactory payment for any
           | monetary debt"). Rather, it imposed a regulatory regime on
           | Bitcoin exchanges.
        
           | notahacker wrote:
           | Legal tender, properly defined, means that someone you're in
           | debt to _must_ accept it as means of payment to discharge the
           | debt. Afaik Japanese lenders can still insist on Yen, and
           | almost invariably do
           | 
           | I suspect this will be the same (in practice if not in
           | theory). You can pay people in Bitcoin, or if they don't
           | actually want Bitcoin the president's buddy is hyping an app
           | that will let them get USD instead when you send your
           | satoshis...
        
           | teachingassist wrote:
           | 'Legal tender' means that you are [everyone is] obliged to
           | accept bitcoin as a means of settling any debt.
           | 
           | (That would be a nightmare - in my opinion, it would at least
           | require some kind of official exchange rate between Bitcoin
           | and yen.)
        
       | smoldesu wrote:
       | > Bukele said the country is partnering with digital wallet
       | company, Strike, to build modern financial infrastructure using
       | bitcoin technology.
       | 
       | Wow, this seems like an incredibly shitty situation for the
       | people of El Salvador. It looks like some lobbyists got hired by
       | a wallet company stacked with angel investors willing to pour
       | money into the idea of being integrated into the government at
       | such a low level. I wouldn't be surprised if they also announced
       | that all transactions will be forced to go through a wrapper or
       | other type of layer, maybe even justified with the classic "think
       | of the coal" argument...
        
       | jpxw wrote:
       | I wonder why a country would choose Bitcoin as legal tender when
       | better, faster, more environmentally friendly cryptos exist (ones
       | which can feasibly be used to transact money in real-time, for
       | instance).
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | Mostly adoption purposes. Bitcoin, for better or worse, is now
         | a globally recognized asset (if not _official_ recognized).
         | Sure they could adopt a coin like Ripple or Doge, but that
         | would almost certainly permanently sabotage the market for both
         | respective coins. While I agree that this is a bad idea, basing
         | it on a larger currency does have some considerable economic
         | benefits.
        
         | rawtxapp wrote:
         | When you consider a country-wide currency or global reserve
         | currency status, things like security/trust are the most
         | important properties.
         | 
         | You can then use other layers for much faster and cheaper
         | transactions while keeping the base layer as is (as lightning
         | network on BTC and zk-rollups on ETH are doing, or even
         | centralized layers like Paypal/Visa, etc).
        
         | geofft wrote:
         | Bitcoin's lobbyists are better paid because Bitcoin got people
         | richer.
        
       | bratao wrote:
       | What would happen to the markets if Satoshi appeared and starts
       | trading his 1 Mi in BTC?
        
       | temp10298385 wrote:
       | As someone who readily admits to not fully knowing what legal
       | tender entails, I have a question for the optimists:
       | 
       | As I understand it, legal tender status forces creditors to
       | accept bitcoin as debt repayment. Given the volatility of
       | bitcoin, wouldn't this impact risk assessment of loans? Being
       | obligated to accept a high volatility asset as a repayment sounds
       | like a nightmare for creditors. Wouldn't interest rates rise in
       | order to cover this added uncertainty?
        
         | jerf wrote:
         | Accepting it as legal tender doesn't mean it is what the loans
         | are denominated in. Nobody sane would denominate loans in
         | BitCoin. (There are loans denominated in BitCoin. The obvious
         | syllogism applies.)
        
           | squiggleblaz wrote:
           | But if I have a loan for a value that corresponds to about 1
           | bitcoin and $53, then doesn't legal tender mean I have to
           | accept 1 bitcoin and $53 in exchange for it? The fact that
           | tomorrow the value will be 1 bitcoin and $196 seems
           | irrelevant.
           | 
           | And this is significant: debtors could repay their debts when
           | bitcoins look like they will decrease in value with respect
           | to the currency of denomination with an intent to harm the
           | debt owner.
           | 
           | In the 19th century, there were dual currency systems with
           | fluctuating exchange rates. I don't know anything about why
           | they failed, just that they failed...
        
         | Beached wrote:
         | they would be forced to accept it, however they would likely
         | instantly convert it to a more stable currency at the time of
         | payment through some processor.
         | 
         | there will likely be a small fee to them for the conversion of
         | Bitcoin to say, USD, but I imagine it would be similar to
         | accepting credit cards for payment? and so it would be worked
         | into the prices.
        
       | fungiblecog wrote:
       | This will not end well for El Salvador
        
       | rawtxapp wrote:
       | Even though the market hasn't really reacted to this news (which
       | I suspect is due to the fact that it's proposed/didn't happen
       | yet), this is one of the most bullish news in a very long time in
       | my opinion (even more bullish than companies buying into it). I
       | suspect this will start the domino effect of countries slowly,
       | but surely adopting BTC.
       | 
       | It'll probably be the smaller countries first where they don't
       | have great currencies to begin with, so they'll always have to
       | use a foreign one, either USD or an alternative. With USD, they
       | are at the mercy of USG and will get pushed around by them. With
       | Bitcoin, the network itself is kept safe with all the energy and
       | mathematical properties, but the price is very volatile at the
       | moment, though volatility will decrease with increasing market
       | caps.
       | 
       | This will be a very interesting experiment to watch.
        
       | Geee wrote:
       | Here's the emotional announcement by Jack Mallers (founder of
       | Strike) who worked with the president of El Salvador to make this
       | happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V8y_IV7XU8&t=76s
       | 
       | It's worth a watch to understand the story.
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | I only skimmed through, but it looks astronomically light on
         | details with lots of Pathos tying it all together. If I was a
         | journalist in that audience I'd be terrified.
        
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