[HN Gopher] Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future
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       Fedora contemplates the driverless printing future
        
       Author : Tomte
       Score  : 42 points
       Date   : 2021-06-07 06:39 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | linuxftw wrote:
       | I used to be able to just find my printer in Linux with the
       | dialog, and it magically worked. Same printer on a newer release
       | of Fedora, took several days of tinkering to finally be able to
       | print again wirelessly.
       | 
       | This IPP stuff is broken IMO. I found an lpadmin command
       | somewhere online and was able to mangle it to get my printer to
       | work.
       | 
       | IPP is probably easier for some people if it works. If it doesn't
       | work, it's going to be impossible for most people to figure out
       | for a few years.
        
       | cors-fls wrote:
       | I discovered IPP by accident/chance because getting the HP driver
       | or PDD file was not easy. And it has been working perfectly for
       | years !
       | 
       | It was the only choice on the CUPS interface for which driver was
       | optional/not needed. I did not use avahi-discoverh though, I
       | typed the printer IP.
       | 
       | The fact that I choose a semi-pro printer, to get laser and
       | reliability, probably helped. It also allows me to scan directly
       | to a network drive so I never had to install a scanner driver.
        
       | trasz wrote:
       | Why not adopt a solution that's already there and works well,
       | namely AirPrint?
        
       | etaioinshrdlu wrote:
       | Desktop printers will have the same demise as cable tv and
       | landline phones: quality will continue to go down and prices up
       | as providers squeeze any remaining profits out of the business.
        
         | pengaru wrote:
         | > Desktop printers will have the same demise as cable tv and
         | landline phones: quality will continue to go down and prices up
         | as providers squeeze any remaining profits out of the business.
         | 
         | Landline phone-call quality has always been and continues to be
         | infinitely better than anything people are using today to
         | replace it.
         | 
         | I can't believe that in 2021 people aren't actively revolting
         | over how useless smartphones are at actually doing phone
         | duties.
        
           | mcpherrinm wrote:
           | I guess the voice quality is fine for me. Maybe that's
           | because of whatever "HD Voice" that my carrier claims to
           | have. The reality is, I rarely make phone calls anymore
           | either way. Almost everything is a video call now, whether on
           | Zoom or Google Meet or Facetime or Whatsapp.
           | 
           | Even if I get a "land line", it's just an expensive VOIP line
           | from my ISP.
        
         | axus wrote:
         | I feel like these are prompts to advertise Brother network
         | printers. The quality makes me consider buying their sewing
         | machine.
        
         | philjohn wrote:
         | Which is why when I was in the market for a new printer I went
         | for a model meant for a medium sized office - a pretty hefty
         | Xerox Versalink.
         | 
         | The toner cartridges last 8-10k pages and if you purchase at
         | least one a year (easy enough to do) they extend your next day
         | onsite parts and labour support contract.
         | 
         | I got an amazing deal on it as well - but not the typical $80
         | "make a loss on the printer and make it back on ink" that
         | consumer models adhere to.
        
         | freeone3000 wrote:
         | And what, exactly, is replacing them? What else can convert a
         | digital document to paper form?
        
           | quicklime wrote:
           | Other than digital forms?
           | 
           | The printer at work, which is free and convenient if you work
           | in an office.
           | 
           | Or the one at the local copy shop, which is 10c a page. I
           | probably spend ~$1/year printing out forms, there aren't that
           | many left...
        
       | freedomben wrote:
       | It absolutely enrages me that in 2021 printers are still the
       | absolute horror show that they are. Things were better in 1999.
       | 
       | The article covers the driver story so I won't go into that, but
       | in addition to the horrible Linux support it amazes me that a
       | cheap affordable printer and ink is still not available. Ink is
       | now not only outrageously priced but commonly has DRM in it.
        
         | adontz wrote:
         | I do not think it's that bad now.
         | 
         | A few days ago I have bought a new non original toner cartridge
         | for my HP printer for about $7. Is it expensive tho? I expect
         | it to print at least 2000 pages, so $0.0035 per page.
         | 
         | For ink jet:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuous_ink_system
        
         | brnt wrote:
         | I've never actually had a problem printing in Linux. It had
         | always been plug and play for me. My trick is to make sure the
         | printer actually can be plugged in (USB or Ethernet) and that
         | it isn't the most recent model.
         | 
         | Also, get a laserprinter. Inkjets are going to be a problem
         | regardless of drivers.
        
           | freedomben wrote:
           | Do you print photos? My wife loves to print photos and has
           | been told by friends that a laser printer won't do photos.
        
             | HarryHirsch wrote:
             | For that use case I'd actually recommend Walmart's photo
             | printing service, either in-store or on-line. Outsourcing
             | makes sense in this case - the alternative would be a
             | 7-colour inkjet printer, and the really pricey thing is
             | replacement of the printhead when it invariably gets
             | clogged up.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | Retric wrote:
             | Color laser printers are IMO even better at photos than
             | inkjet, but many are black and white.
        
       | adontz wrote:
       | I am not sure how will it function for USB printers or
       | multifunction devices. I mean, it's a really nice initiative, but
       | removing printer drives does not look like a realistic plan.
        
       | DesiLurker wrote:
       | Driverless cars to driverless printing .. Oh my how far have we
       | fallen.
        
       | zamalek wrote:
       | If this actually works, it would definitely be a pro of Linux on
       | the Desktop vs. practically anything else.
        
       | codeulike wrote:
       | _In the IPP Everywhere future, printers simply work_
       | 
       | Ah, my sweet naive child. There is no such thing as 'printers
       | simply working', it's just a story that we tell to keep away the
       | nightmares
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | point to them, they made me believe for a second
        
       | TruthWillHurt wrote:
       | The only thing worse than printers - scanners.
        
         | HarryHirsch wrote:
         | Yes, and that's why printer-scanner combos are called
         | multimalfunction devices. Extra demerit points are accorded for
         | scanning to email or CIFS share.
        
           | smackeyacky wrote:
           | I have a couple of HP printers here, and the HP OfficeJet Pro
           | 8740 is a multifunction device that has been completely
           | trouble free. Scans to a CIFS share, emails stuff, wakes up
           | from sleep on a print request properly. Amazing.
           | 
           | The older HP CP1025NW laser printer in my study is a complete
           | POS though, for some bizarre reason the driver software
           | completely fails to find it on a regular basis and it seems
           | to forget how to print semi regularly as well.
        
       | whateveracct wrote:
       | Linux printing works..but also doesn't. And then you have to fix
       | it.
       | 
       | Now I just put files on a Samba share on my Linux machine and
       | AirPrint from my iPhone :)
        
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