[HN Gopher] J. Kenji Lopez-Alt is Seattle's reluctant powerful f...
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       J. Kenji Lopez-Alt is Seattle's reluctant powerful food influencer
        
       Author : unpredict
       Score  : 90 points
       Date   : 2021-06-11 21:06 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | rapfaria wrote:
       | Love his youtube videos, but I wonder how can someone engage in
       | answering so many hateful comments and such.
       | 
       | To think that by the size of his channel he would put someone in
       | charge of this. Perhaps the "guys, gals and non-binary pals, I'll
       | see you next time" came from someone telling he was not inclusive
       | enough when saying goodbye?
        
         | egypturnash wrote:
         | My experience of Seattle is that "guys, gals, and non-binary
         | pals" feels like something totally expected out of the kind of
         | person who would move to Seattle.
         | 
         | This article also mentions that he lives, specifically, in the
         | Capitol Hill neighborhood. Cap Hill is Seattle's rainbow flag
         | district, and anyone living there is probably gonna be
         | encountering enbys on a regular basis.
        
       | prpl wrote:
       | Kenji is very good but also highly opinionated, often bordering
       | on food snob. That's fine, he's often right but not always. I
       | think that feeds into this problem: People following him will
       | seek out "the best/perfect XYZ" which he looks for based on his
       | own obsession at the time (smashed burgers, XLB, detroit pizza,
       | etc...).
       | 
       | If you watch old episodes of Jacque and Julia you will see how
       | they could easily and happily disagree on what makes something
       | special, and there is nuance there. That nuance is lost in
       | translation with cults of personality.
        
         | jghn wrote:
         | I get where you're coming from but don't think it's snobbery
         | per se. There are things he prefers that I don't prefer. Over
         | the years I've come to just understand that he & I have
         | different tastes.
         | 
         | A great example would be his obsession with crispy potatoes in
         | all things potatoes. Sure, sometimes I love a shatteringly
         | crisp fry. Other times I want something mushy. Same with
         | roasted potatoes. But I don't ever feel put down by him for
         | wanting mushy potatoes.
        
         | carabiner wrote:
         | Snob? Have you watched the man make a pizza on a store-bought
         | tortilla with pineapple?
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v7nhyjCx5Q
        
         | tshaddox wrote:
         | That's an interesting characterization, because I would have
         | said precisely the opposite: I've seen that he consistently
         | goes out of his way to denounce notions like "it's not _real_ X
         | unless you make it with Y." He's pretty outspoken that it's
         | better to adapt recipes based on your own preferences, skills,
         | and ingredient availability than to try to chase
         | "authenticity." It's not uncommon to hear him say things like
         | "it's probably more traditional to include X in this recipe,
         | but I don't like that flavor, so I'm leaving it out." I'm
         | genuinely curious why you characterize him as a food snob.
        
           | criley2 wrote:
           | I think the characterization comes from a legion of homecooks
           | online going through a cooking journey and treating Kenji's
           | whimsical opinion as a law, especially when written down for
           | one recipe.
           | 
           | Kenji's videos show how creative and open minded he is with
           | cooking, but I've also had plenty of online encounters with
           | folks preaching the food lab gospel.
        
           | prpl wrote:
           | That's different though "it's not real X unless you make it
           | with Y" is about authenticity. I did not bring up
           | authenticity in the criticism. You are right - Kenji rarely
           | cares about authenticity or tradition. That's fine.
           | 
           | If you go through his old recipes though on SE, you'll see
           | "The science of the best XYZ" or "Perfect XYZ" all over the
           | place:
           | 
           | https://www.seriouseats.com/the-food-lab-5118015
           | 
           | I stopped following him a few years ago on Instagram because
           | it was tiring. It looks like he's changed a bit.
        
         | legitster wrote:
         | I think he has leaned into the "best/perfect" as an SEO trick,
         | and his audience tends to treat him as gospel - but his recipes
         | are amazingly flexible and there is not a lick of pretense. I
         | still use his trick for how to fake a smoke ring when making
         | sous-vide brisket.
        
         | scotu wrote:
         | I sincerely think you missed the last 3+ years of anything he
         | did (I don't know how he used to communicate before) because if
         | there is one thing I cannot say of him is that he's a food
         | snob.
         | 
         | He is opinionated, but explains _why_ he does things (often
         | offering a scientific reasoning /experiment), especially if
         | he's not following the traditional way, he seems to give
         | context on what would be more traditional, and is quick in
         | communicating "but you do you"...
        
           | prpl wrote:
           | You are right, I stopped caring around that time (~3 years
           | ago). That said, the science explanations are occasionally
           | wrong.
           | 
           | If you like science of cooking you might enjoy Cooking
           | Issues/Dave Arnold quite a bit more. I generally prefer
           | Dave's cut of the jib.
        
         | jorblumesea wrote:
         | I really get the opposite vibe. He's a huge fan of Jacque and
         | tries to make his food accessible. He often mentions in his
         | videos that "you can do it whatever way you want, this is the
         | way I do it". He often makes almost junk food versions of
         | popular dishes (potato chip tortillas).
        
       | Exuma wrote:
       | Kenji AKA Peel ginger with a spoon!!!
        
         | dataviz1000 wrote:
         | What type of savage doesn't peel ginger with a spoon? Learned
         | that from a Tibetan making momos. He would then use the side of
         | a clever to crush the ginger before mincing.
        
         | ipsum2 wrote:
         | People have been doing this for forever, it's not a new
         | technique by Kenji.
        
       | kixiQu wrote:
       | I remember hearing lynne rossetto kasper interviewing the host of
       | america's test kitchen one time, and him just being extremely
       | aggressive about the idea that he was here to come and
       | Objectively Improve on the way your grandmother used to do
       | things. what I love about j kenji lopez alt's stuff is that he
       | does.... very much not that, even while he's experimenting to get
       | into the nuts and bolts of a recipe. he's respectful of
       | traditions and individual taste and shortcuts that may be worth
       | it to home cooks even if they're not The Right Way.
        
       | jypepin wrote:
       | Just wanna say that I'm a huge fan of Kenji. His Youtube channel
       | is simple, interesting and the opposite of snob. A true food
       | passionate that is doing whatever he can to go against gate
       | keeping. He's been inspiring me to cook more (and successful at
       | it!) for a couple years.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/user/kenjialt
        
         | tootie wrote:
         | He's talking about this story on a reddit thread:
         | https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/nwtg18/j_kenji_l%C...
        
         | jghn wrote:
         | I've been following Kenji since his earliest days on
         | SeriousEats. He's great, and I'm so glad he has had the
         | opportunity to change all of our lives for the better.
         | 
         | I'm not a fan of watching video content, much prefer reading
         | text. My Kenji consumption has dropped by quite a bit since
         | he's moved to mostly Youtube. He's doing what he wants/loves
         | though, and that's what matters.
        
           | sondr3 wrote:
           | I agree with you in that I prefer written material most of
           | the time, but for food I actually prefer video over text.
           | Mostly because it allows me to see and get a feel for the
           | workflow, the timings and such that are impossible to get
           | across from just a recipe. Especially for baking videos have
           | been great because when it says "should be tacky to the touch
           | but not sticky" it's always "how sticky is sticky, what is
           | tacky, how do I know what it feels like etc" and seeing a
           | baker doing it helps immensely. Once I've gotten a good grasp
           | for the process though I far prefer using a recipe.
        
       | timeinput wrote:
       | It reminds me of the related story [0] titled " I Found the Best
       | Burger Place in America. And Then I Killed It." The author tried
       | hundreds of burgers around the US and deemed one the best and the
       | business seemed to overwhelm him.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.thrillist.com/eat/portland/stanichs-closed-
       | will-...
        
       | tptacek wrote:
       | His Youtube is very, very good. Two Kenji videos that changed my
       | life a little during the pandemic, in that I now make these
       | things all the time:
       | 
       | Spanish tortilla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPYk9W9v-bI
       | 
       | Oyakadon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXzpCqKdUA
       | 
       | I feel like --- I might be wrong here --- Kenji's origin story is
       | the Cook's Illustrated vodka pie crust, which replaces water in
       | the dough with vodka to minimize gluten formation (the alcohol
       | cooks off). I think that's where I first heard of him, and I've
       | been following ever since. He's pretty great.
        
         | jdmichal wrote:
         | I know him from Serious Eat's "The Food Lab":
         | 
         | https://www.seriouseats.com/the-food-lab-5118015
         | 
         | I think this is the first article of his I found. An adventure
         | into how to make fries like McDonald's:
         | 
         | https://www.seriouseats.com/perfect-french-fries-recipe
        
         | zerocrates wrote:
         | Oyakodon is worth it just for the little chuckle over its name
         | alone ("oya": parent, "ko": child, and the dish includes both
         | chicken and egg). Like many sources describing this dish, Kenji
         | mentions this basically immediately, as they well should.
         | 
         | I'm a devotee of his book The Food Lab and his prior work there
         | on Serious Eats, but haven't gotten into his videos much. I
         | should.
        
         | jghn wrote:
         | Yes. He created the vodka pie crust recipe at CI. After Cooks
         | he started showing up here and there on Serious Eats (iirc "A
         | Burger Today"?) before going all in there.
        
           | legitster wrote:
           | I've used that recipe for years! I only just recently learned
           | he was behind it this whole time.
        
         | kop316 wrote:
         | Wait, he made the vodka pie dough recipe???
         | 
         | That is an awesome recipe I use all the time, it is brilliant.
        
         | afcapel wrote:
         | I'm a Spanish person, living abroad and with a penchant for
         | cooking, and I was too very gratefully surprised by Kenji's
         | Spanish tortilla video. Also by his other Spanish recipes such
         | as Gazpacho[1] or Paella[2].
         | 
         | It's not that they are very orthodox recipes, cut and paste
         | from a traditional recipe cookbook, but instead very good
         | adaptations of them, taking into account ingredients
         | availability and different contexts.
         | 
         | I can't really tell about other cousines, but judging how he
         | cooks Spanish food I'd say he knows what he's talking about.
         | 
         | Add to that that he seems like a very decent and empathetic
         | person and I'd say he's someone you want to listen to if you
         | are looking for cooking advice.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3WyeqCDHw
         | 
         | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASP74I0B7zo
        
           | AdmiralAsshat wrote:
           | His wife is Columbian, IIRC.
        
       | gerbler wrote:
       | I love his food lab book, and overall he seems like such a nice
       | person. The book is a bit dense, but it has such great info that
       | really helps deepen your cooking skills.
        
       | jasonwatkinspdx wrote:
       | Kenji is a fantastic author and now video maker. I've learned a
       | ton from him.
       | 
       | My two favorite things about him are firstly, everything he talks
       | about is backed by a scientific approach, and secondly he has a
       | decidedly unfussy "but you can do it your way if you like"
       | attitude as well. He's like Pepin meets molecular gastronomy.
        
       | hiei wrote:
       | Huge Kenji fan. Probably not the first to do it but his no
       | commentary Go Pro first person cooking videos are quite
       | addicting.
        
       | unpredict wrote:
       | https://archive.is/QtAxQ
        
       | lacker wrote:
       | Serious Eats is a great source. Their writing on how to cook a
       | steak in a cast iron pan is excellent, a really useful and
       | interesting read for anyone who likes cooking steaks in cast iron
       | pans.
       | 
       | https://www.seriouseats.com/the-food-lab-complete-guide-to-p...
        
         | user982 wrote:
         | I haven't visited ever since their redesign a few weeks ago
         | removed their RSS feeds.
        
       | eutropia wrote:
       | For any food I have never attempted cooking, I always default to
       | searching "<food> recipe serious eats" (After working through
       | Food Lab almost religiously). Every single time, the Serious Eats
       | recipes (even the ones not by Kenji) are excellent.
       | 
       | Huge fan. We need more like him. :)
        
       | drenei wrote:
       | If you haven't read it, I highly recommend his book:
       | https://bookshop.org/books/the-food-lab-better-home-cooking-...
       | 
       | It's a pragmatic, and opinionated general purpose cookbook.
        
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