[HN Gopher] US bans dog imports from more than 100 countries ___________________________________________________________________ US bans dog imports from more than 100 countries Author : Black101 Score : 36 points Date : 2021-06-14 22:15 UTC (44 minutes ago) (HTM) web link (www.bbc.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.bbc.com) | aluminum96 wrote: | I have always wondered why rabies vaccination is not given | standard in childhood. | | Rabies is incredibly scary -- you camp outside, a bat nips you in | your sleep, and by the time you know anything has happened, it's | too late. | Carioca wrote: | Basically, because we don't want to give kids unnecessary | vaccines (contrary to what _some_ people say). We don't give | yellow fever vaccines to everyone, only to people in high-risk | areas. | | Also, post-exposure treatment is almost 100% effective, so the | vaccine goes down in priority | wnevets wrote: | >Also, post-exposure treatment is almost 100% effective, | | Only if you know about the exposure before symptoms appear. | In the parent's example you don't realize you were actually | bit by a bat in your sleep. | nexuist wrote: | I suppose it is possible, but is it really likely that | you'll get bitten by a bat who draws blood and not wake up | to the pain of such a bite? Is it likely you'll even get | bitten by a bat at all? I thought you have to really fuck | with them and be in like a cave or something to be exposed | to that kind of risk. I mean, they hang upside down from | high vantage points right? Unless you're sleeping in a tree | and also flailing around your hands to try to beat the shit | out of a bat in your sleep, I don't think any bat would | come near you let alone attempt to bite your skin, _let | alone_ when you 're just laying down and not moving around | much. | wearywanderer wrote: | Vampire bats specialized in drawing blood from sleeping | victims without waking them. It is rare for them to find | human targets, but it happens sometimes: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_bat#Human_health | alisonkisk wrote: | Not every one is super informed and insured. Millions of | people would wait it out a while before seeking care. | bsder wrote: | > I have always wondered why rabies vaccination is not given | standard in childhood. | | Because the side effects from the rabies vaccine are far more | likely than you getting rabies unknowingly in the US. | | We're talking 25 total cases from 2009 to 2018--about 2 per | year. | | If you start jabbing a couple million children willy-nilly, 1 | or 2 of them will die of anaphylaxis or a secondary infection | from the needle prick every year on the best of vaccines. And | rabies vaccines aren't particularly modern or sophisticated. | benatkin wrote: | The number of human rabies cases in the US for humans is so | incredibly low. | | You're more than ten times as likely to die of E. coli. | | https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/location/usa/surveillance/human_r... | lesuorac wrote: | The vaccine doesn't last your lifetime, you get a booster when | exposed [1], and is super expensive (in US it's ~$1000 [2]). | | But about the article, if < 0.05% of dogs have fake rabies | certificates out of millions of dogs is this actually a | problem? (Not to condone the behavior) Just because your dog | doesn't have a rabies vaccine doesn't mean it does has rabies. | | [1]: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine#After_exposure | [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies_vaccine#Cost | maxk42 wrote: | Wouldn't a simpler solution just be to ask people importing | dogs to get them a new rabies vaccination? | alisonkisk wrote: | It's only expensive in USA because USA human healthcare | system is crazy. It's EUR100 for humans in Europe, and it's | cheap enough to give to every domestic dog several times. | wearywanderer wrote: | In America [and most other countries that have done a similarly | good or better job of suppressing rabies] the wildlife are the | ones getting vaccinated against it. Vaccinating the wildlife by | baiting them with an oral vaccine is very effective and can | eradicate rabies from a region (vaccinating the general public | cannot do that, since person-to-person transmission is not | really the concern.) | Black101 wrote: | They should ban traveling too because I have heard of many fake | vaccine certificates... | kayodelycaon wrote: | Rabies is a lot more lethal and it's fortunately very rare in | the US. The ban makes a lot of sense to me. | savant_penguin wrote: | 25 cases in a decade | | You are more likely to die by crossing the street | h2odragon wrote: | High-Risk Dog Ban FRN : https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing- | an-animal-into-the-... | | The list of countries: https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing- | an-animal-into-the-... | elliekelly wrote: | Off topic but what an odd an inefficient way to organized and | display the information. A bullet point list of countries | grouped by continent (sort of?) and then one bullet point per | first letter of country name. | | > Asia and the Middle East, Eastern Europe | | > * Afghanistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan | | > * Bangladesh, Belarus, Bhutan, Brunei | hirundo wrote: | It includes India, China, Indonesia, Pakistan, Brazil and | Russia, or most of the world by population. The largest nation | in population not included is the U.S. itself. The next largest | is Mexico at #10. So 8 of the 10 most populous countries are on | the list, and one isn't eligible. | fra wrote: | > Probably most of the dogs too | | TFA says that those countries represent 6% of dog imports. | alisonkisk wrote: | So where _do_ imported dogs come from? Canada? | | Also, | | > Hundreds of these dogs had fraudulent rabies | certificates, | | Isn't this most easily fixed by requiring a post- | immigration rabies shot? | jcranmer wrote: | I assume it's mostly people who treat their pets as | children, which is largely a Western phenomenon. So, | yeah, Canada's probably a large source, as would be most | of Western Europe. | makomk wrote: | Probably people moving to the US from places like Europe | (which is quite big, even though the individual countries | in it are small - I know the US press used the small size | of individual countries to play some slimy games with | their Covid-19 related comparisons from time to time). | johncessna wrote: | There's, apparently, a really interesting world of dog | importing. I wonder if this was the paper that prompted | this decision. | | http://www.naiaonline.org/uploads/WhitePapers/USDA_DogImpor | t... | [deleted] | jlawer wrote: | I think you will find that dog (pet) importation is more | highly correlated with higher income, thus while the highest | population countries are listed, in % wise, higher migration | will be from Europe. | | In outside the covid pandemic, I think you will find that | there is significant international travel for breeding and | show purposes. Additionally, while I am unsure of the cost in | the US, in a place like Australia the quarantine costs to | bring pets into the country make it something more likely to | be done by wealthier migrants. | wearywanderer wrote: | There are so many dogs already in America, I see absolutely no | reason to ever import more. | bsder wrote: | I don't know why we don't have a permanent ban on this anyway. We | don't need to be supporting overseas puppy mills. | | We have more than enough dogs in the US to adopt. | version_five wrote: | I think a major use may be people relocating to the US with | their dogs. | johncessna wrote: | Those folks can still apply for a permit. Service dogs and | dogs brought for 'or science, education, or exhibition' can | also still get import permits. | debacle wrote: | More than enough puppy mills as well, and amateur breeders that | have no idea what they are doing. Leads to very brutal lives | for the mothers (who do not receive adequate healthcare), and | dogs with serious socialization issues. | | I used to think pit bulls all had anxiety issues. Two years | after adopting a rescue (not a pit bull), I think it's much | more likely that most pit bull breeders do little to nothing to | properly socialize those dogs in their early months. | johncessna wrote: | For those who are curious which countries are affected and | incorrectly thought the information would be the article: | | https://www.cdc.gov/importation/bringing-an-animal-into-the-... ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-06-14 23:00 UTC)