[HN Gopher] How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
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How does one get hired by a top cybercrime gang?
Author : wyldfire
Score : 169 points
Date : 2021-06-16 14:41 UTC (8 hours ago)
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| ackbar03 wrote:
| Wait hang on, that cliff hanger though
|
| >"Multiple security experts quickly zeroed in on how
| investigators were able to retrieve the funds, which did not
| represent the total amount Colonial paid (~$4.4 million): The
| amount seized was roughly what a top DarkSide affiliate would
| have earned for scoring the initial malware infection that
| precipitated the ransomware incident."
|
| I'm not quite sure what this implies? That the team who did the
| initial infection was in fact some sort of FBI undercover?
|
| So undercover FBI successfully hacked colonial pipeline, ignited
| all this press coverage and attention, and quietly disappeared
| with the ransom amount? Am I interpreting that correctly?
| l33t2328 wrote:
| > I'm not quite sure what this implies?
|
| This implies less technically inclined "affiliates" used the
| malware made by someone else, slipped up and had their 85% cut
| retrieved. Meanwhile, the creators of the ransomware took their
| 15% cut safely.
| chevill wrote:
| >I'm not quite sure what this implies? That the team who did
| the initial infection was in fact some sort of FBI undercover?
|
| I suppose that's one of the many possibilities that are
| implied, but its not even close to the most likely.
|
| I think its more likely that some of the attackers' systems or
| accounts were compromised (AKA hacked).
| jaywalk wrote:
| If you would have clicked on the link to the article, it's
| explained in a little more detail and a few experts weigh in
| with what likely happened:
| https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/06/justice-dept-claws-back-...
| meowface wrote:
| This article is similarly light on actual details of how they
| might've done it.
| great_reversal wrote:
| Getting hired is just applying to another job posting. The
| interview process is two-step, with a project-based technical
| component. The job itself is also two-step: first year is similar
| to contract work, with good employees brought into the fold not
| long after.
|
| It looks like DOJ is trying to make an example out of some lowly
| frontend/freelance developer. Her work includes:
|
| - creating a "web panel used to access victim data stored in a
| database"
|
| - added a feature that "showed an infected computer or 'bot'
| status in different colors based on the colors of a traffic
| light"
|
| - added a feature that "allowed other Trickbot Group members to
| know when their co-conspirators were working on a particular
| infected machine"
|
| One thing DOJ accuses her of is "developing tools and protocols
| for the storage of credentials stolen and exfiltrated from
| victims infected by Trickbot." But its pretty obvious they don't
| know what "frontend developer" even means.
| watwut wrote:
| Why would doing these be fundamentally less bad then other tech
| other work for gang? It is pretty clear from your examples that
| she knew who she is working for. And yes, this sort of admin
| codinf large part of any hackers group. Large scale operation
| reaquires that.
|
| Second, your section "Her work includes" picks least harmful
| sounding sentences. And they still sound harmful enough.
| ggggtez wrote:
| I don't think it's obvious at all.
|
| They gave one example of how she got hired, but not a
| comprehensive list of every feature she made.
| zrobotics wrote:
| I mean, surely if one isn't absolutely clueless it would be
| pretty obvious what is being developed. Sure, she didn't code
| the active part of the malware, but the types of information
| being passed & displayed would almost certainly tip off what
| her employer was up to. I'm sure they know what a front-end dev
| does, none of that sounds like something beyond the job
| description.
|
| It does seem shitty that all the other suspects had their names
| redacted except her, she likely wasnt high level in the
| organization, so singling her out like this is shitty. If the
| other suspects are still under investigation, react all the
| names until they can be made public. But that's a legal, not
| technical, issue.
| balls187 wrote:
| This reminds me of the story in Freakanomics about the street
| level drug dealers making basically minimum wage, with the
| majority of the money going to high level traffickers who are
| typically firewalled through layers of middlemen.
| distribot wrote:
| I think that the difference here is that actors in places with
| radically different COL can pariticpate. Imagine if a kid in a
| Northern Triangle country could sell drugs on the street of an
| American city--the risk/reward is much different. To them, even
| American minimum wage could be a boon.
| ghaff wrote:
| It's common in a fair number of places: professional sports,
| music, book writing (among those doing it for money), acting,
| law (to a lesser degree).
|
| The very top does well, even very very well. Most everyone else
| scrapes by--if that.
|
| Most professional jobs aren't like that. Sure senior execs can
| make an outsized amount of money but most of the rank and file
| are still doing OK.
| jedberg wrote:
| Law is more bimodal than a pyramid.
|
| All those other ones you mentioned rely on popularity to
| determine one's paycheck, which is why they are all pyramids.
| ghaff wrote:
| They're not really pyramids though. If you're a baseball
| player, you either make a _lot_ of money by most people 's
| standards, albeit for a possibly short career, or you
| basically don't make much at all, even if you can play in
| the minors.
|
| Law isn't quite so stark. You don't _have_ to be at a white
| shoe firm to do OK (corporate counsel, prosperous practice
| in a smaller city) but a lot of lawyers certainly make
| pretty modest salaries.
| jedberg wrote:
| It's still a pyramid. There are a few people at the top.
| There is the next layer of the people who make a decent
| living, aka the "middle class" actors, the folks making
| MLB minimum wage ($600K/yr), etc. and then all the people
| in the bottom layer trying to break in (the starving
| actors, the minor league players, etc).
|
| And lawyers are very bimodal. You have a ton of lawyers
| who make less than <$90K/yr, and then a whole bunch
| making >$200K/yr, and not a lot in between.
| Spooky23 wrote:
| Exactly. The middle ones are all government attorneys who
| exchange earning potential for stability and more humane
| hours.
| ghaff wrote:
| Maybe. I don't dispute that law is bimodal but I also am
| pretty sure there are a fair number of corporate counsels
| and partners at smaller practices earning comfortable low
| six figure salaries out there.
| duxup wrote:
| If I recall correctly many had regular jobs that even paid
| better.
|
| The idea of a full time 'career criminal' guy who works at it
| full time without another job seems less common than people
| seem to think.
| cooldrcool2 wrote:
| Most drug dealers I know just do it to achieve a lifestyle
| they wouldn't normally be capable of with their existing
| job(s).
| ipaddr wrote:
| Most drug dealers are doing it so they can smoke/drink for
| free maybe make a few dollars.
| voidfunc wrote:
| Some, knew one in college paying the 40k/yr tuition
| selling overpriced molly/weed/coke to the students. Good
| racket lol.
|
| He got his degree and then went into some marketing and
| sales gig for a decade is doing quite well and I believe
| continues to sell on the side to trusted clients so not a
| street dealer (saw him last year at a buddies wedding).
| hellbannedguy wrote:
| While we're being honest, there's a small segment that
| sells because they think it cool.
|
| That whole gangster rap testosterone street $900 shoe
| guy.
|
| In college, I moved into a very cheap apartment. I had no
| idea, it was the worst part of Oakland. I saw some things
| that didn't make any sense. Some successful dealers had
| other opportunities. Most probally didn't. I was so
| naieve, I didn't know my roommate was selling until my
| second semester. I just though he had a lot of friends.
| He finally told me what he did one night over a video
| game.
|
| Where is he now? He's in a midwest prison over dealing
| pot. Yes, dealing pot. Why? He heard Potheads pay triple
| for what Californian's pay. He got his brother to come
| along. I remember him telling his brother, "you don't
| want to be a Waiter for life?"
|
| He, and his brother go to Ohio. They set up shop. They
| weren't violent, and didn't fit the stereotypes of a drug
| dealers.
|
| Everything was fine until they hired this little rich
| white kid who thought he was in a NWA alternative
| reality. He was "slinging" their product in his
| vernacular.
|
| Will this idiot killed a guy over a small amount of pot.
|
| The cops were more interested in the "kingpin" behind the
| operation.
|
| Well the kid squealed, and the prosecutor threw the book
| at my friend. They made him out to be Pablo Chicone. He
| was anything but a hard nosed killer. He never even owned
| a gun.
|
| Well, he got a long sentence.
| snypher wrote:
| There should be a name for this type of societal
| organization... anyway, I have a rocketship to catch.
| yellowstuff wrote:
| Tournament theory
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament_theory
| omgwtfbbq wrote:
| Not even close.
| paulpauper wrote:
| A blue origin one? lol
| Kenji wrote:
| There already is a name for it: Government.
| tyingq wrote:
| It doesn't say what these coders make. But, as with the
| dealers, it's likely tax free, so even "minimum wage" is better
| than it sounds.
| wolverine876 wrote:
| No benefits, no social security, no resume, no references
| (outside the criminal world, if they even use references), no
| personal network (outside crime), permanent and catastrophic
| damage to your reputation if you are caught ... but you save
| on taxes!
| bryanrasmussen wrote:
| yeah but considering the risks it's actually very, very bad.
| dataviz1000 wrote:
| The hospital costs for uninsured low level drug dealers who
| have a lead allergy must be astronomical.
| elefanten wrote:
| Sure, but society picks up the tab
| dmos62 wrote:
| If you examine marginal behaviour, we're all picking up
| each others' tabs.
| knolax wrote:
| Where do you live where that"s free?
| grecy wrote:
| There's only one Developed country where it isn't.
| northwest65 wrote:
| Where do you live that it's not??
| odiroot wrote:
| Unfortunately, very often it's not lead-free.
| mmcgaha wrote:
| Many of the people that sell drugs aren't concerned with what
| they make. The money is under the table so it does not
| interfere with other welfare assistance they get. Additionally,
| many of these people are not able to work for someone else
| because they aren't used to structure. Think of the people you
| bought pot from when you were a kid, they were most likely a
| woman working some easy to replace job with a man who did
| absolutely or damn near nothing.
| haskellandchill wrote:
| Can confirm, mostly dealt drugs to be cool. Way too much risk
| for almost no reward. Was an idiot and thought I was
| contributing to the culture but after leaving the game I still
| get questioned if I'm a cop and get no respect from the
| paranoid dealers where I moved to. I thought we were a society
| :(
| [deleted]
| grumblenum wrote:
| https://www.fbijobs.gov/
| hyperbovine wrote:
| Wait, the "wall of perp photos connected by bits of yarn" is
| REAL?! And here I thought I was watching way too many
| procedurals. Mind = blown.
| erichurkman wrote:
| If they represented it with a real photo you wouldn't be able
| to tell the difference to a general office job.
| callalex wrote:
| Look at how your last few jobs were represented by the
| recruiting department compared to how the actual job was.
| Everybody does this, it's a transparent lie to push you over
| the edge if you were already interested.
| noofen wrote:
| Shame, I smoked a blunt 3 months ago in California. I'll try
| again next year!
| kortilla wrote:
| I wonder what the stats are on how many amazing candidates
| they are losing because someone had an edible on a weekend 9
| months ago.
|
| "Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try
| again in a couple of years and don't drink!"
| Pokepokalypse wrote:
| "Sorry, you admitted you drank a beer 6 months back. Try
| again in a couple of years and don't admit that you drink!"
| vageli wrote:
| You undergo polygraph to join FBI, no? Seems like a bad
| idea to start under false pretenses.
| darig wrote:
| Roll your own.
| truenindb wrote:
| Here is irrefutable evidence that the suspect is actually a
| berlin police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwZbonjAlPc
| distribot wrote:
| Why would a person doing this type of crime reside in the US? I
| understand quality of life is higher than Russia, but Russia
| neighbors Latvia--her country of origin. It is confusing to me
| because if she were there, her activities would have been
| discovered but she would have had the tacit protection of the
| state.
| DominikD wrote:
| She doesn't reside in US, read the text. She lives in Suriname
| and was just flying through (or temporarily to) the US.
| distribot wrote:
| Yup, I commented before finishing the text based on where she
| was arrested.
|
| The point still stands I think. Yes, it's not as flagrant as
| _living_ in the US. But you 'd think a person engaged in this
| kind of thing would feel reluctant to have a layover in a
| country that cooperates closely with US law enforcement let
| alone Miami.
| Grustaf wrote:
| > quality of life is higher than Russia
|
| Have you been to Russia?
| _RPL5_ wrote:
| Have you? What's your impression?
| azinman2 wrote:
| Quite frankly she doesn't come across as very smart, and
| certainly not very technologically sophisticated. The idea that
| you run into a problem and use Google to solve it hardly
| constitutes skill development.
|
| It is interesting that they're hiring based on job boards. I
| don't know how normal gangs recruit but I'd guess it's a lot of
| word of mouth. It seems when there are real honest alternatives
| out there for skilled labor, that you need to go to the public
| will also be an Achilles' heel.
| [deleted]
| tyingq wrote:
| She was at least able to make a dashboard that combined
| database info as well as "Trojan horse status" for active
| victims. In a way that worked well enough for them to scam
| enough people that it caught the US's attention.
| mwint wrote:
| This doesn't in any way downplay your point, I just noticed
| this sentence and it made me think: "The idea that you run into
| a problem and use Google to solve it hardly constitutes skill
| development."
|
| It's probably natural for most folks on HN to consider
| "googling problems" an obvious, basic first solution - but I'm
| always stunned by how many people in real life, outside of the
| IT industry, don't have that path in their brains well-trodden.
| For some reason, they'd rather flail around or ask a real human
| (often me) for help, rather than type a couple words into a
| search bar and see what happens.
|
| I wonder if there's an opportunity to teach a "how to search"
| class in schools. You could have some fun open-Google exams!
| BeFlatXIII wrote:
| > I wonder if there's an opportunity to teach a "how to
| search" class in schools. You could have some fun open-Google
| exams!
|
| I had something similar to that when I was in elementary
| school, including comparing results across search engines.
| Boolean searches plus Smart Selection of keywords would
| quickly lead you to good sources.
|
| Sometime between when I graduated high school and 2016, most
| of those tricks stopped working reliably. Google, Bing, and
| DDG are the only games in town for the anglophone world and
| all three drown out the worthwhile results in reposted blog
| spam. Until you magically discover the shibboleth that
| directs you to actual information, you're stuck in a hell of
| shitty how-to websites that have nearly-identical irrelevant
| information.
|
| It's less hassle and more accurate (though slower and
| possibly outdated) to directly ask a known local expert.
| piptastic wrote:
| Good idea, "how to search" should also be paired with
| filtering noise.
|
| There's a ton of information now and it's not always
| intuitive to understand what information you should value and
| when.
| wyldfire wrote:
| XKCD to the rescue! [1]
|
| [1] https://xkcd.com/627/
| nkrisc wrote:
| Many (most?) people are simply not curious. When they run
| into something they don't know how to do, they don't wonder
| how to figure out how to do it, they just sit there until
| someone shows them how.
|
| I assume when most people here on HN run into a problem,
| their first thought isn't, "who can I ask?" but instead, "how
| can I figure it out?" because most hacker types are naturally
| curious and relish an opportunity to learn something new.
|
| In my experience most people who zero interest in learning
| something new when they encounter something they don't know.
| vageli wrote:
| > Many (most?) people are simply not curious.
|
| Is this really so? With respect, this take seems too
| cynical to me. I say this as a person to whom many come
| when they can't figure things out.
|
| I often initially feel much like you do, but I temper that
| feeling with the knowledge that the asker is likely under
| delivery pressure, etc and has to subvert their curiosity
| in order to maintain velocity.
| _zamorano_ wrote:
| Shockingly to me, in many fields, Google results are bare.
|
| Coming from IT, in the industry, even questions about
| software (very specialized, to be honest) get useless
| results.
|
| I think the openess of information in software is the
| exception, not the norm, though many fields like science are
| making improvements.
| prova_modena wrote:
| This rings true for me, and reminds me of my early
| experience learning about machining and CNC machines. There
| are a lot of very low quality googleable sources out there
| for that field (mostly dealing with the hobbyist side of
| it) that crowded out the information I needed for
| professional development and troubleshooting.
|
| Eventually, as my knowledge of the field increased I
| learned the "pro" terminology for certain objects and
| processes, which improved my ability to search useful info.
| I also discovered through chance or personal recommendation
| some very useful pro-level online sources, which don't have
| a large presence on search engines. There was a long grind
| of several years before I got to the point where I could
| search online for machining information and solutions
| online with confidence that I could find useful results and
| assess their reliability. Even then, there is a lot that I
| need to find in books/manuals or in conversation with
| experts.
|
| While this is a process that takes place when learning
| about any technical topic, in my experience its easier in
| programming (and to a lesser degree general IT topics) than
| in fields that exist primarily in the world of physical
| objects. IMO, this has something to do with the tendency of
| programming problems to "self-define" themselves in
| specific textual language (I.E. compiler errors you can
| copy and paste into google) and also with origins and
| focuses of the largest internet knowledge bases.
| neuroticfish wrote:
| >I wonder if there's an opportunity to teach a "how to
| search" class in schools.
|
| We did this in a public middle school around 2002-2003 with
| boolean searches. Was this unique to my experience or has
| this been a common thing for awhile?
| [deleted]
| wizzwizz4 wrote:
| Neither: there was a brief period where there was decent
| ICT education, then it all went away again.
| josefresco wrote:
| Pretty sure 20% of my value as a professional web builder and
| resident family tech support rep is my ability or willingness
| to "Google" something. I'm being 100% serious - I attribute
| most of my tech knowledge simply to my curiosity, and
| willingness to search out a solution. Many people (including
| my own kids) are happy to A) not know or B) ask someone else
| (me).
| mmcgaha wrote:
| Don't think this is new either. Before we even had internet
| access at work people would ask me for help with excel or
| some other program and the first thing I would do would be
| to use built in help. Many folks just don't understand how
| much help a book/helpfile/internet can be.
| arp242 wrote:
| It's not even unique to IT/software; my ex-girlfriend was
| a vet an she just googles things as well. Turns out there
| are lots of veterinary procedures on YouTube for example,
| and for some of the rarer chirurgies and such you need to
| do it's pretty useful.
| at-fates-hands wrote:
| >> For some reason, they'd rather flail around or ask a real
| human (often me) for help,
|
| When I was briefly in sales before becoming a developer, I
| had a co-worker who, for the life of her, could not remember
| how to do a soft-line break in MS Word. She literally would
| ask me at least once a day. I finally just printed the
| keystroke (shift + return) on a sheet of paper and when she
| would peer over the cube, I'd just hold it up and she'd sit
| down again.
|
| Even in our sales group, the majority knew to use Google to
| get answers to all kinds of technical questions. But you're
| right, there's still a big group of people who are unaware or
| too lazy to go there first.
| GiorgioG wrote:
| Agreed. The layperson for the most person does not know how
| to search effectively. Even among my developer friends today
| who are competent, if they can't find something, they come to
| me. I have a knack for finding things that are difficult to
| find - going back all the way to when AltaVista was the best
| search engine around - I can't really explain it.
|
| My parents, in-laws, etc... they all say on a pretty regular
| basis that they have trouble finding what they're searching
| for. Google tries really hard to return relevant results
| (which actually annoys me because I really, really, really
| want it to search for exactly what I typed - by default.)
| im_down_w_otp wrote:
| I encounter often the opposite problem where I'm regularly
| telling people who are flailing around on Google to deal with
| some unexpected problem, "I don't know, but you know you
| will? An Oncologist/IP-attorney/electrician/etc. Instead of
| using Google to find a pile of amateurs' competing anecdotes,
| perhaps you can use it to find an actual expert who can help
| you?"
| mikeyouse wrote:
| Very true. "Just google it" works for a very specific
| subset of problems. In most disciplines, especially "real
| world" ones outside of computing, there is no easily
| googleable answer to most problems. Lawyers get a hard time
| for answering every question with "it depends" but
| unfortunately, that's the domain a lot of people work
| within and it's the right answer most of the time.
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| I see what you're saying, and I guess like most, I've
| experienced both:
|
| * A trivial technological problem that leaves my family
| helpless though it's literally the first hit on Google
|
| * A critical life-impacting issue, usually health but
| sometimes things like taxes or mortgage or household
| maintenance - things where trustworthy experts exist and
| are readily available here - and they go to random sketchy
| Facebook groups and get random advice from random people
| (frequently involving Crystals or essential oils but I
| digress into whole other rant :P )
| TheOtherHobbes wrote:
| There seem to be two modes here. There's an objective
| fact-checking mode, and a personal network of trust mode.
|
| This becomes a problem when the personal network is made
| of people who rely on hearsay, and signals-of-belonging
| instead of evidence-based information.
|
| It's also a problem when "official" experts aren't truly
| expert, for various possible reasons - including
| corruption, incompetence, deliberate bad faith, and
| others.
|
| It's hard for people who think in one way to understand
| that others don't think in the same ways.
| captn3m0 wrote:
| I've realized over time that my "google a solution" instinct
| only kicks in while I'm dealing with tech problems.
|
| For everything else, my brain takes some time to make that
| leap.
| jrm4 wrote:
| I regularly teach an Information for IT professionals course
| in a college. My first assignment, (group, part icebreaker)
| involves
|
| - comparing different search engines (to google, mostly)
|
| - seeing if you can find patent numbers, etc.
|
| - and the best, I mix up a bunch of "real" and "fake" sites
|
| (e.g., the Carbon Monoxide awareness site and then the
| Dihydrogen Monoxide site, and giggle as they critique that
| the second one needs a better web designer and needs to be
| more professional...)
| drdec wrote:
| There are some definite non-trivial skills involved in
| successfully googling the solution to a problem. The biggest
| one is having enough reading comprehension to understand what
| you found (or alternatively, having enough time/patience to
| watch YouTube videos that take forever to get to the point.
| The second most important is the ability to recognize non-
| solutions or non-optimal solutions.
|
| For many people, they are used to learning from other people
| instead of from search results. So it makes sense that their
| first instinct is to reach for asking those around them.
| adolph wrote:
| > opportunity to teach a "how to search" class
|
| Not as much as SEO "how to break search" opportunities.
| jacquesm wrote:
| > The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve
| it hardly constitutes skill development.
|
| What does, according to you?
| axiosgunnar wrote:
| Something ultra-specific to this particular gatekeeping
| individual, I suppose.
| azinman2 wrote:
| Taking a course, reading books, watching lectures, and
| actually building projects in new domains. I'm not going to
| learn machine learning by googling each step and copy/pasting
| stack overflow. I'm not going to learn how TCP works by
| Googling and copy/pasting stack overflow at each requirement.
|
| Skill development is something that takes a lot of time and
| practice.
|
| None of that is to say that stack overflow isn't useful, or
| that I won't learn things when I run into a problem by
| reading a blog entry. But to me that isn't the same thing as
| learning a new skill, unless that skill is so small and
| shallow that a single blog entry is all of the knowledge
| you'd ever need.
| [deleted]
| [deleted]
| balls187 wrote:
| > The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to solve
| it hardly constitutes skill development.
|
| Until you come across people who can't even do that.
|
| I'm unsure of your age, but I was a developer before Google was
| a thing, and researching your answer, using Gopher, Usenet,
| and/or books was very much how we solved problems.
|
| Honorable mention: talking to that Old-office-coffee-stained-
| teeth-sys-admin-who-probably-forgot-more-about-computers-than-
| I-ever-knew.
| azinman2 wrote:
| I'm not saying knowing how to google isn't a necessary skill
| with unequal distribution. I'm saying that's not the pathway
| that'll take her as a front end web dev and allow her to
| write the underlying malware that the front end provides a UI
| around.
|
| It's as meaningless a statement as "I know how to read books
| so I can learn new skills."
| JohnBooty wrote:
| The idea that you run into a problem and use Google to
| solve it hardly constitutes skill development.
|
| You need to understand a domain somewhat well in order to
| Google effectively.
|
| For example, I don't know anything about flowers.
|
| Sometimes I see a flower that I'd like to identify, but I can't
| really Google it -- aside from color and perhaps the number of
| petals I'd have no idea what terms I'd use to describe a flower
| and therefore what I might possibly type into Google.
|
| (note: This is just an example. Never really tried to identify
| a flower w/ Google. Perhaps I could use Google image search,
| etc.)
| azinman2 wrote:
| You could use Google Lens.
|
| However we're not talking about a domain she knows zero
| about. We're talking about her building web pages. I'm
| guessing she's not suggesting that you could throw at her
| 'build a new OS kernel that brings cryptographic signatures
| as a base primitive for all operations'. So the reality is
| she'll be able to Google for n+1 things, not n+1000.
|
| Either way, my point is n+1 Googling isn't the same thing as
| learning a new skill. It's expanding your knowledge right at
| the periphery of what you understand.
| beermonster wrote:
| Is this true anymore? It used to be true back when all the
| really cool Google search operators worked and the service
| didn't use natural language processing to process search
| queries. But these days you're 'supposed' to use google like
| this: 'what is the purple wild flower that grows in spring in
| England?' as opposed to 'filetype:pdf site:blah.org +foo -bar
| 2010..2012' which would find files of type pdf on domain
| blah.org referring to foo but not bar between the years 2010
| and 2012.
|
| Honestly I prefer searching the latter way and would love to
| know which search operators still work these days.
| hsbauauvhabzb wrote:
| Some UX concepts are like this. Surely I'm not the only one
| who arrives at a problem I can't describe to google in a way
| that returns meaningful results?
| [deleted]
| azinman2 wrote:
| For people downvoting me, I'd love to know why. The many
| comments here aren't negating what I said or explaining why I
| was wrong.
| corobo wrote:
| You're saying she's dumb because she Googles the answer.. not
| the part where she hosts malware on her own domain? Maybe
| voluntarily travelling to the US from a country with no
| extradition deal with the US? It's the Googling that does it
| haha
|
| Being able to search is a legitimate skill that relatively
| few have too. We will probably disagree a bunch here, I can't
| be fluffed to have that to and fro -- so I downvoted and
| moved on
| TrackerFF wrote:
| > It is interesting that they're hiring based on job boards.
|
| I remember reading how even cartels hire people through normal
| job listings. IIRC, there was some sordid article regarding
| this, where the cartels will list out jobs for "security" jobs,
| think regular security guard work, event security detailing,
| etc.
|
| They'd then drive out the candidates to some remote and closed-
| off training site, push them hard, and just kill anyone that
| didn't make the cut.
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