[HN Gopher] Janet Malcolm has died
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       Janet Malcolm has died
        
       Author : samclemens
       Score  : 35 points
       Date   : 2021-06-17 23:59 UTC (23 hours ago)
        
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       | Barrin92 wrote:
       | I think probably one of the more relevant parts of her legacy is
       | the assessment of journalism
       | 
       |  _> "One of the through lines in her work was a merciless view of
       | journalism, never mind that she was one of its most prominent
       | practitioners."Human frailty continues to be the currency in
       | which it trades," she wrote in "Iphigenia in Forest Hills:
       | Anatomy of a Murder Trial" (2011). "Malice remains its animating
       | impulse."_
       | 
       | I actually think this is how journalism ought to be. I
       | occassionaly think of Hunter S. Thompson's obituary of Nixon in
       | which he described how one had to get subjective and leave behind
       | the standards of so called 'objective' journalism to get to the
       | truth. I think this kind of competitive malice is no worse than
       | say, the malice in business to outcompete.
       | 
       | What I personally don't like is not that kind of inquisitive
       | writing but a moralistic attitude denying it. If journalists
       | pursue this kind of writing they should hold themselves to that
       | same standard, but they should nonetheless not shy away from
       | controversy. One place where I think it's really relevant today
       | is tech. You have companies like a16z trying to produce these
       | soft propaganda alternative media outlets in response to 'toxic'
       | journalists, but I side firmly with the journalists here _even if
       | part of journalistic writing is notoriety and fame or 'malice'_,
       | they just ought to admit it. I'm often kind of sad to see how
       | uncritically people, in particular here on HN, eat up these calls
       | for civility, which is simply power trying not to be questioned.
        
         | mycologos wrote:
         | > I think this kind of competitive malice is no worse than say,
         | the malice in business to outcompete.
         | 
         | I think it matters that the goals of journalism are ostensibly
         | different from the goals of business. The goal of business is
         | to get people to buy something, maybe with some sideline in
         | getting them to keep doing it over a long time. The goal of
         | journalism is, I think, to show people important things that
         | are happening. Optimizing engagement/acquiring customers is the
         | goal for business, optimizing readership isn't _supposed to be_
         | the goal for journalism. If it is, you run into, well, the
         | things people complain about in modern journalism (and not-so-
         | modern yellow journalism). And I think journalists whose
         | primary goal is notoriety are more likely to optimize for
         | controversy and readership, not showing people important
         | things.
         | 
         | That's sort of orthogonal to "civility", I guess. But I
         | question the idea that adversarial journalism is the way to go.
         | My understanding is that good journalists have excellent people
         | skills and can write critically and truthfully while
         | cultivating relationships in an area that enable them to keep
         | understanding what's happening in that area. Probably the
         | number of journalists who are genuinely able to do this is not
         | high, but we should hope for more of them.
        
           | morelisp wrote:
           | I think we're probably best off with both Hunter S. Thompson
           | and Walter Cronkite, but I'd much rather have - and think
           | society would be better informed and pointed in a better
           | direction by - two Thompsons and no Cronkites than the other
           | way around.
        
         | blowski wrote:
         | I feel some of the same discomfort that you feel with modern
         | journalism. Some (not all) calls for "civility" seem to be code
         | for "if you disagree with me you're being uncivil". Completely
         | objective, unbiased journalism is impossible for all but the
         | most banal of stories.
         | 
         | And yet somehow the idea of all journalism being a form of
         | individuals' perspectives of situations seems equally
         | disquieting. With the hand of outstanding writers this
         | blatantly personal journalism produces writing of the highest
         | quality. But lesser writers - I'm thinking of the likes of
         | Tucker Carlson and Owen Jones - it becomes nothing more than
         | second-rate preaching at the Sunday pulpit. Nothing new is
         | said, nobody learns anything. It's just stories that make a
         | certain audience feel good.
        
           | 52-6F-62 wrote:
           | I don't know that we'll escape that completely. I mean, for
           | every true spiritual guide there are charlatans, for every
           | shop owner there are thieves, for every great artist their
           | imitators.
        
         | morelisp wrote:
         | I too miss Valleywag.
        
       | Jun8 wrote:
       | Responses and reminiscences from several writers on her passing:
       | https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newyorker.com/books/page-tu...
       | 
       | When I first came across it I loved her article "Forty One False
       | Starts" https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1994/07/11/forty-one-
       | fals...
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | It's sad that people die when they get old.
        
       | saltmeister wrote:
       | who
        
       | neonate wrote:
       | https://archive.is/MEu7M
        
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