[HN Gopher] Internet in a Box
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       Internet in a Box
        
       Author : thunderbong
       Score  : 504 points
       Date   : 2021-06-20 08:59 UTC (14 hours ago)
        
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       | amelius wrote:
       | They should include StackOverflow, but it's probably illegal to
       | scrape it.
        
         | detaro wrote:
         | The data is CC-licensed and they provide a download for a data
         | dump, scraping it is just wasting your time.
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | What? There's a button to include those sites. I configured
         | mine to include raspberrypi.stackoverflow and a few others.
         | 
         | All the StackOverflow sites are available as Kiwix ZIM files,
         | so if you select the ZIM server to be installed, you can check
         | boxes for whatever content packs you want.
        
         | ivan_ah wrote:
         | IIAB is just scripts for automating installing other software,
         | so it doesn't include content -- you download the content
         | separately based on the app you need.
         | 
         | For StackOverflow content, the best way to get it offline is
         | through the Kiwix ZIM files (compressed archive suitable for
         | web content).
         | 
         | IIAB will install kiwix-serve by default, then you need to
         | download the relevant ZIM files from here:
         | https://wiki.kiwix.org/wiki/Content_in_all_languages (search
         | for the ones with stackexchange.com )
        
       | ShantiBhardwa wrote:
       | With IIAB running on platform like raspberry pi you can carry a
       | slice of internet content in your pocket in a safe way. No need
       | for any external network connectivity as it acts as local hotspot
       | using Wi-Fi. With open source educational content like full
       | Wikipedia, TED videos, text books, medical reference material you
       | have you own portable reference library which can be shared with
       | a group of people for self learning. IIAB opens up access to free
       | knowledge which can provide huge opportunities for remote
       | communities for a very small set up cost.
        
       | Quequau wrote:
       | This seems like an evolution of PirateBox & LibraryBox.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | I was reminded of "BBS In A Box" -- a very early CD ROM
         | offering of freeware/filez.
        
       | juloo wrote:
       | Wikipedia can be browsed offline:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Of...
        
       | soared wrote:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkeS_EAIpv4
       | 
       | This is much better at describing how this can be used in the
       | real world. A mesh network in town lets people communicate/post
       | videos/etc.
        
       | brunoluiz wrote:
       | For a second, I thought it was a reference to the IT Crowd.
       | 
       | Anyways, amazing initiative!
        
         | fredley wrote:
         | Missed an opportunity to replicate the iconic black casing and
         | red LED
        
           | developer93 wrote:
           | Article seems to indicate it's just an installation, so it
           | could still be made so.
        
       | aaron695 wrote:
       | These don't work and never have.
       | 
       | We have 20 years on this. I get in the 90's it would have seemed
       | like a quick win. But it didn't work. This inability to move on
       | is frustrating.
       | 
       | If you care , which most people don't. But if you do, what you
       | want on them is porn and copyright TV. If you don't understand
       | why I can't really help you, it's a pretty simple idea.
       | 
       | You can't do that obviously, so how do you do it by proxy?
       | 
       | That is the solution to find.
       | 
       | One simple idea, find places without internet, find a cafe and
       | sell them Starlink. You charity sets it up for free, they pay
       | something per month. Report what happens. I'd bet it'd be very
       | cost effective. Unfortunately it is boring and people don't get
       | to feel good about themselves, so it won't get funded, so perhaps
       | it's just as dumb.
        
         | Ensorceled wrote:
         | Yes, what very, very poor rural schools and hospitals in the
         | heart of Africa really want is porn and not access to teaching
         | aids and medical databases.
        
           | aaron695 wrote:
           | What's an example medical database they could and would want
           | to setup and will IIAB run those services?
        
             | Ensorceled wrote:
             | It's literally in the article:
             | 
             | > See Mexico's live demo and these medical examples used by
             | clinics in Asia and Africa especially, as hosted by the
             | Wikimedia Foundation (Wikipedia).
        
               | aaron695 wrote:
               | What is the medical database called?
               | 
               | They have a lot of flat garbage that if you really want
               | you can just put on your phone, I can see those.
               | 
               | A database (For Africa as you mention) is a big deal,
               | it's queryable store of info. It's rare to see these open
               | source (or CC) Does it use MySql? MSAccess? How hard is
               | it to set up?
               | 
               | I don't think they will have any. Databases need to be
               | updated, it's easier to add 4G if they are needed.
               | 
               | Chemwatch did a pretty good setup with CD that did the 3
               | month updates. In the developed world is still ran into
               | problems with being up to date enough, I think most would
               | be online now. And it cost money because it's a hard
               | thing to do.
               | 
               | You can't just say, they will 'run datavbases on the
               | IIAB' That's an ongoing commitment that needs to be
               | supported. Else it becomes another bricked device in the
               | NGO graveyard.
        
               | Ensorceled wrote:
               | Are you arguing with me or or the article? I'm not a
               | doctor, I can't review the databases they include.
               | 
               | Have you read the article? It has links.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | I'm confused by this comment. They cite examples of it working.
         | Similar setups have been working in Cuba for a long time. What
         | isn't working?
         | 
         | Are you just saying that actual free internet access would be
         | better? Sure, that's true, but not practical everywhere.
        
           | aaron695 wrote:
           | > Similar setups have been working in Cuba for a long time.
           | 
           | Official Sneakernet is terrabytes of TV (Government
           | 'sanctioned' without porn or politics) -
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Paquete_Semanal
           | 
           | If this is what it is, then I'm totally wrong. This is a
           | really good idea. A wireless hotspot, anyone can setup to
           | distribute terabytes of material to others, preferably with a
           | charge/login option.
           | 
           | Years ago we did this with a wireless access point 'Login for
           | free movies" in our apartment. But couldn't (at the time)
           | work out an easy way to distribute the AVI's once randoms
           | connected.
           | 
           | Wikipedia not clear IIAB is this and I didn't see it from the
           | web site - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet-in-a-Box
           | 
           | To do this, what's vital is cafe owners and teachers and
           | students can buy this product and easily dump stuff on. A
           | movies section, comics section, a books section they can make
           | pretty, they need ownership in their collations.
           | 
           | Their FAQ is on OLPC's site which had a horrific attitude of
           | not allowing others to use their products and locking them
           | down.
           | 
           | Once you pay someone to set IIAB up, giving them Starlink
           | would be around the same price. IIAB has to be open and easy
           | to buy.
           | 
           | > They cite examples of it working
           | 
           | Where? The Dominican Republic video was 4 years ago. Is it up
           | and running? These things are easy to send in a team for and
           | have running for a few months. I would be surprised if one
           | was running for more than a year without an expat there.
        
       | abrax3141 wrote:
       | Web free As free as the web blows As free as the web grows Web
       | free to follow your heart Web free The wiki surrounds you The
       | porn still astounds you Each time you look up a star
        
         | tudorw wrote:
         | Poetry drops worse than jokes on this crowd, I enjoyed it
         | though :)
        
       | edgeform wrote:
       | Very cool device. The dean and doctor discussing the document
       | they've been writing in Creole (context tells us it's probably a
       | local dialect) could be uploaded to the device for everyone else
       | that has them to use is a great reflection of how far this device
       | can reach.
       | 
       | Agree with the other comment, not what I thought the device was
       | going to be initially. Not everything needs a buzzword marketing
       | name so it doesn't need to be like Doctr or something like that,
       | but maybe Medic-in-a-Box or something that conveys this is a
       | medical device.
        
       | Popegaf wrote:
       | This makes me think of Freedombox (https://freedombox.org/). Are
       | they related / can these be merged?
        
       | julienreszka wrote:
       | The name is misleading
        
         | z3ncyberpunk wrote:
         | No it isn't.
        
       | ekianjo wrote:
       | Amusing name, but if it's not networked in any way, it's not
       | really 'internet', it's just an extract of various sources that's
       | pretty much static in time.
        
         | pronoiac wrote:
         | Sneakernet updates seem doable? If you follow the "adding the
         | quality content" link to
         | https://github.com/iiab/iiab/wiki/IIAB-Installation#add-cont...
         | , there are many sources mentioned, like Kiwix ZIM files, which
         | can include fairly frequent updates.
        
           | ekianjo wrote:
           | If you are in a place without connection, how do you get
           | updates? Any kind of diff mechanism with USB storage?
        
             | z3ncyberpunk wrote:
             | The same way every other sneaker net gets updates?
        
             | scoopertrooper wrote:
             | I think a hot swap system would work best. The central
             | office of an aid organisation could just send new drives
             | along with workers delivering food and other supplies.
             | 
             | I imagine you could keep it relatively up-to-date that way.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | sidcool wrote:
       | Gavin Belson signature collection
        
       | SMAAART wrote:
       | A few years ago I read an article describing the sam phenomenon
       | in Cuba. Highly interesting
        
       | johnklos wrote:
       | I love things like this, and I have a number of open wifi
       | networks which could use this, but it seems people have gotten in
       | to the habit of thinking that one service should run on one
       | device, and that's all. It'd be nice if people would say what the
       | software requirements are, regardless of the complexity of setup.
        
         | nchelluri wrote:
         | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/IIAB/FAQ#What_hardware_should_I_us...
         | 
         | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/IIAB/FAQ#What_OS_should_I_use.3F
         | 
         | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/IIAB/FAQ#What_services_.28IIAB_app...
        
       | ivan_ah wrote:
       | To clarify, the "box" is any UNIX computer (very well suited for
       | Raspberry PI devices, since the wifi can act as a hotspot), and
       | the "internet" consists of all the best FOSS apps and open
       | content that get served from localhost, see full list here:
       | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/IIAB/FAQ#What_services_.28IIAB_app...
       | 
       | The use case is to make apps/content/tools normally requiring
       | internet accessed work offline (either on localhost or local area
       | network). In practice, using IIAB goes a little something like
       | this:                  1. find device (the more storage the
       | better)        2. install free software on device using IIAB
       | scripts        3. download free content (various content packs)
       | 4. deploy device anywhere in the world to enjoy           all the
       | FOSS and free content on local network
       | 
       | The IIAB scripts make installation and download setup fully
       | automatable (battle-tested Ansible scripts
       | https://github.com/iiab/iiab/tree/master/roles ), which is
       | exciting because you can provision "learning server" devices very
       | easily.
        
         | brador wrote:
         | Surely an old android smartphone can do all this better than a
         | hard to replace/repair UNIX "internet-in-a-box"?
         | 
         | Old Android phone:
         | 
         | 1. Has screen - (strong, tested, replaceable).
         | 
         | 2. All the Android apps.
         | 
         | 3. Wifi hotspot functionality + FTP + server hotspot.
         | 
         | 4. MicroSD slot for massive and switchable data store.
         | 
         | 5. Solar powerable, with removable and replaceable battery.
         | 
         | 6. Touch friendly, kid friendly, low IQ requirement UI/UX.
         | 
         | 7. Easy to code to extend functionality any way you like.
         | 
         | Any old Samsung would be great, S4 was good and less than $50 a
         | shot used with an OLED 1080p screen.
        
           | mdorazio wrote:
           | I think you're misunderstanding the point of this. It's not
           | meant to be a device that people directly interact with. It's
           | meant to be a local server that anyone nearby with a wi-fi
           | connection can tap into regardless of broader internet
           | availability. In that way it's likely to last much longer
           | since it can be placed somewhere safe and not run the risk of
           | being stolen/fought over/dropped/smashed/etc. and the end
           | point used by the local population doesn't matter - a
           | chromebook, second-hand android phone, whatever.
        
           | desktopninja wrote:
           | Your thoughts are in the right place. Reuse old Android
           | devices for this purpose. Could be one very phat app :)
        
           | tehbeard wrote:
           | Ignoring the other comments point that this is meant as a
           | server rather than a direct kiosk, lets smash each of these
           | points.
           | 
           | > 1. Has screen - (strong, tested, replaceable).
           | 
           | Broken/scratched/hard to read in sunlight/draining power.
           | 
           | > 2. All the Android apps.
           | 
           | All the android apps for that old version of android,
           | presuming they work without a wifi connection.
           | 
           | > 3. Wifi hotspot functionality + FTP + server hotspot.
           | 
           | Very dependant on the phone make/model, and server/hotspot
           | wouldn't be that performant.
           | 
           | > 4. MicroSD slot for massive and switchable data store.
           | 
           | Again, very dependant on the make/model.
           | 
           | > 5. Solar powerable, with removable and replaceable battery.
           | 
           | Solar power I will give you, but you'll be hard pressed to
           | find a phone suitable as server/hotspot with a removable
           | battery.
           | 
           | > 6. Touch friendly, kid friendly, low IQ requirement UI/UX.
           | 
           | That's very dependant on the app developers if we go with
           | point 2, I know plenty of apps with terrible UI/UX.
           | 
           | > 7. Easy to code to extend functionality any way you like.
           | 
           | Not on phone, you can maybe automate stuff with the likes of
           | Tasker (see counterpoint 6 about UI/UX though) To really
           | extend it you'd need a PC at which point... just use the PC?
           | Or a pi.
        
         | squarefoot wrote:
         | It could also be made with ultra cheap repurposed routers such
         | as the old TP-Link TL-MR3020 or similar ones, whose hardware is
         | really limited for doing anything serious but still can run
         | older OpenWRT versions. All it needs is to activate a file
         | sharing service and stick an USB drive to be shared with the
         | usual protocols. I mention it because I've found some at flea
         | markets for 5 to 10 Euros.
         | 
         | Actually a possibly better solution would be to use a
         | ESP32-like board (therefore no Linux or any other OS) to keep
         | power consumption as low as possible, in order to supply it
         | through solar power, de facto turning it into a self sustaining
         | device in which passers by could download files or even upload
         | their ones, including messages, photos etc. that would stay
         | online say for some time before being deleted. I have no idea
         | though if the ESP32 network stack implementation and resources
         | would allow that.
        
         | JKCalhoun wrote:
         | I would love to have one myself. I may have to put one
         | together.
         | 
         | Just thinking if I had the device and if even only Wikipedia
         | were on it -- would save perhaps a small amount of internet
         | traffic? Maybe negligible, but I think if I knew I had a "local
         | cache" of all of Wikipedia I might rely on it more.
         | 
         | Then I wonder if there was a way to integrate it with my
         | browsing of the actual internet -- perhaps keeping a running
         | feed of Wikipedia article links somewhere in my UI as I type
         | words or as some script scans the contents of the pages I am
         | browsing so that detail on any topic is literally a click away.
         | With the local Wikipedia cache of course I have no privacy
         | concerns.
        
           | karmanyaahm wrote:
           | For my wikipedia cache I use IPFS companion and
           | https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/. All the devices that
           | use this approach on a local network can share data. And to
           | make sure unused wikipedia pages aren't garbage collected,
           | https://github.com/ipfs/distributed-wikipedia-
           | mirror#cohost-...
        
           | 1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote:
           | "With the local Wikipedia cache of course I have no privacy
           | concerns."
           | 
           | This is one reason why bulk data downloads are (IMO)
           | extraordinarily useful. Speed and reliability are some
           | others.
           | 
           | There is no reason to limit this approach to Wikipedia. It
           | can be applied to any data that we consume regularly. I use
           | this approach for DNS data and some websites (= frontends to
           | databases) I use frequently, though none of those sources
           | facilitate bulk dowloads the way Wikimedia does.
        
           | kayodelycaon wrote:
           | I use Kiwix in my iPad to store all of Wikipedia (with
           | images). It's a 88gb download.
           | 
           | Just the text is smaller at 11gb.
        
             | nine_k wrote:
             | Do you even update it? Like maybe once a year?
        
       | BelenusMordred wrote:
       | A large omnidirectional antenna could be a decent addition?
       | 
       | The RPi inbuilt module doesn't have the much range, assume the
       | other options are the same, antennas are cheap and even better
       | can be homemade quite easily with instructions and raw materials.
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | That's how I have mine set up.
         | 
         | You don't need to use the pi's built-in wireless, but it's a
         | cheap way to get started and covers most use-cases where the
         | users are very near the device. I've got an old Ubiquiti Bullet
         | M2HP mated to a broomstick omni acting as the AP for my IIAB
         | network, and you can hit it from halfway down the block.
         | Further if I get some more height under the 'tenna.
         | 
         | I wish 802.11ah was more common; a low speed long range option
         | would be perfect for lightweight content like this. But until
         | phones have the radios, the use-case just isn't there.
        
       | pentae wrote:
       | This would be really useful in a Zombie apocalypse
        
       | poxwole wrote:
       | This Jen, is the internet.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | londons_explore wrote:
       | Does this solve real people's actual problems?
       | 
       | Selling the 32 gig SD card together with an Android app to browse
       | the data seems far better. The majority of the world either has
       | an Android phone (possibly a decade old), or a family member with
       | one.
       | 
       | Have the android app available in the app store and the data
       | downloadable for those who occasionally have internet
       | connectivity (for example visiting a big city), but don't have
       | money for an sd card.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | >Does this solve real people's actual problems?
         | 
         | It's unclear what product you're asking that about. The post is
         | from "Internet in a Box" who don't sell anything. Just
         | volunteers that put the software together. They do mention a
         | few things being sold by others that use the work created by
         | "Internet in a Box".
         | 
         | >Selling the 32 gig SD card together with an Android app to
         | browse the data seems far better.
         | 
         | There's a couple of versions of this mentioned. The one used by
         | clinics would fit on that, but it only has medical info. The
         | hardware for the more general purpose one is using a 1TB drive.
         | I assume that's for the Wikipedia + Maps + Literature + Khan
         | Academy content mentioned.
        
         | makeitdouble wrote:
         | At this point there are still an number of people who for any
         | reason can't or don't want to use a smartphone.
         | 
         | Pushing a 60 year old to understand a completely new paradigm
         | is fine if you are putting the time and energy to assist them
         | until they are proficient, but otherwise they might be better
         | with an old computer and check pages through local wi-fi.
         | 
         | There also enough remote locations where phone connectivity is
         | just bad, and they keep 2G rugged phones around for their main
         | use. In these situation I'd imagine a laptop being easier to
         | use than a second phone just for that.
        
         | sgt wrote:
         | If you think a smart phone lasts 10 years in the hands of poor
         | people, you are extremely optimistic.
         | 
         | From what I can tell, even here in South Africa's townships
         | they are using fairly new Samsung, Huawei etc smart phones
         | (always with a broken screen - this happens without exception),
         | albeit cheap ones.
         | 
         | Even my gardener has a Samsung 10 something. Not entirely sure
         | how he can afford it, but I suspect he borrowed a lot of money
         | to afford it. Having next to nothing, the smart phones becomes
         | your communication channel and your media center, news and..
         | hopefully learning.
         | 
         | You'd be surprised how many poor smart phone users exists in
         | all of Africa. And 3G or better is almost everywhere now.
         | 
         | The pricing has come down and that is truly bridging the
         | digital divide.
        
           | alienthrowaway wrote:
           | > Not entirely sure how he can afford it, but I suspect he
           | borrowed a lot of money to afford it
           | 
           | There's a gray/black market for second hand phones whose
           | provenance is...questionable. As someone who involuntarily
           | contributed a phone to this surprisingly international
           | parallel supply chain, the sellers are probably not selling
           | at Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price.
        
             | roughly wrote:
             | Hell, you don't even need theft to handle most of the
             | supply problem. The MSRP of a 5 year old android phone is
             | effectively $0.
        
               | Scoundreller wrote:
               | In this case, It's a Galaxy S10, a 2 year old phone that
               | currently retails on Ebay for US$200-US$300.
        
           | Scoundreller wrote:
           | > always with a broken screen - this happens without
           | exception
           | 
           | Are the devices super-low end? Users underestimate how
           | sensitive they are to breakage? Regularly thrown? Broken
           | units that are usable end up there for export or?
        
           | laumars wrote:
           | There's a lot of African countries where that isn't the case.
           | I recently did some work for a mobile based game targeting a
           | number of African countries and we had to support WAP and
           | SMS.
           | 
           | India is another country where poorer regions wouldn't have
           | good cell coverage with most people without phones (let alone
           | smart phones).
           | 
           | If you live in a region that can have luxuries like a
           | gardener, then you're likely already more affluent than those
           | who this project is targeting.
        
         | ivan_ah wrote:
         | > Does this solve real people's actual problems?
         | 
         | I have seen a IIAB device used in a school in a remote area
         | (one IIAB for several clients on the WLAN, old PCs with wired
         | network, phones, and tablets).
         | 
         | The IIAB scripts,
         | https://github.com/iiab/iiab/tree/master/roles , make setting
         | up such servers very easy (including best FOSS apps, wifi hot
         | spot, networking, and web admin interface). You just need to
         | bring one beefy hard disk and you suddenly have access to all
         | of Khan Academy, wikipedia in dozens of languages, and all
         | kinds of other collections of educational and reference
         | materials.
         | 
         | Of course nothing prevents you for copying content over to
         | individual mobile phones and tablets (like takeout), but
         | centralized setup of a "learning resources hotspot" that people
         | can connect to is very efficient first start.
         | 
         | Related: see related info about installing Kolibri and Kiwix in
         | this comment (these are two of the apps that are available via
         | the IIAB install scripts)
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26137100
        
           | desktopninja wrote:
           | Oh for a minute I thought you meant Kolibri-OS ... love that
           | project!
        
         | telesilla wrote:
         | Get on a plane and then a bus and then a microbus or some kind
         | of informal rural transit, go as far as you can into the
         | mountains or the desert or the jungle and take with you one of
         | these and a mikrotik router and a source of solar power. You
         | won't be able to get much of a cell signal - or it's slow or
         | expensive - and community access to Wikipedia and health-care
         | information could be the most useful treasure you bring with
         | you, without needing to worry about the kind of devices they
         | run.
        
       | mysterydip wrote:
       | In addition to the use cases mentioned, I'd love to have an
       | offline reference like this when I'm developing in places without
       | internet access.
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | That's the use-case I set mine up for, just for fun. Unplug my
         | cable modem and see how long I can still be productive.
         | 
         | With a local copy of most StackOverflow sites and Wikipedia,
         | I'm pretty well equipped for a certain set of problems.
         | 
         | Next up, I need to figure out how to wield the various github-
         | mirror-an-entire-org scripts I've found, to keep a local copy
         | of Adafruit's github, since their code and libraries power a
         | lot of the hardware I have sitting around. And then maybe a
         | mirror of Seeed Studio's wiki and whatever else I can find.
         | 
         | then this: https://blog.thelifeofkenneth.com/2018/01/off-grid-
         | raspbian-... but I'll need to add more disk space.
        
           | mysterydip wrote:
           | How much disk space does wikipedia and SO take for you?
        
             | Scoundreller wrote:
             | On Kiwix, the entire english Wikipedia with images but not
             | videos is 90gb. 6.3m articles.
             | 
             | You can pick and choose categories to some degree (e.g. I'm
             | downloading some to get the videos as well), but I think
             | this leads to some redundancy.
             | 
             | 134gb for stackoverflow, but it's from 2019. This guy does
             | sql files, but viewing is another story:
             | https://www.brentozar.com/archive/2015/10/how-to-download-
             | th...
             | 
             | There are torrent links here:
             | https://wiki.kiwix.org/wiki/Content_in_all_languages but I
             | think in iOS, you're stuck downloading over http.
        
       | IncRnd wrote:
       | The headline is extremely misleading, which is a shame, since the
       | product seems very useful. I had expected to see a remote
       | Internet router of some kind, yet this is literally NOT the
       | Internet.
        
       | pronoiac wrote:
       | It's an offline stash of free knowledge, such as Wikipedia, Khan
       | Academy, and OpenStreetMap.
       | 
       | It brought to mind El Paquete Semanal, Cuba's sneakernet culture
       | drop: https://blog.cloudflare.com/the-cuban-cdn/
        
         | graderjs wrote:
         | If you're interested in offline HiFi archiving checkout my
         | project 22120 to create a personal offline browsing archive:
         | 
         | Https://github.com/i5ik/22120
        
           | tyingq wrote:
           | _" An archivist browser controller that caches everything you
           | browse, a library server with full text search to serve your
           | archive."_
           | 
           | Ah, wow, that's a very cool way to build up the content.
        
             | JKCalhoun wrote:
             | Data hoarder that I am I would like it to scrape more of
             | the site than I actually visit ... in case I missed
             | something when I'm browsing offline later.
        
               | tyingq wrote:
               | Yeah, a "spider this page with depth X" would be a neat
               | addition.
               | 
               | Edit: Though the way it works as a sort of proxy, it
               | seems like you could combine it with something like this,
               | and it would just work: https://github.com/naoak/chrome-
               | site-spider
        
               | graderjs wrote:
               | Cool thanks for that, indeed it seems like it would work.
        
         | vishnugupta wrote:
         | Webaroo[1] was one such product
         | 
         | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webaroo
        
       | mast wrote:
       | Nice idea, but as other commenters has pointed out, maybe not the
       | best name. Back in the 90's when I first connected to the
       | internet, my ISP provided a package called Internet in a Box made
       | by a company called Spry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBox
        
         | falcor84 wrote:
         | >back in the 90's
         | 
         | I'll just put this here https://youtu.be/FBw-Z8ULwcc
        
         | ashleyn wrote:
         | This was my first thought as well! Our first computer came with
         | Spry Internet in a Box in 1996. Mosaic was already aging pretty
         | badly at that point, the early web changed fast.
        
         | Krasnol wrote:
         | Never heard of the company but I think it's much better than
         | what we see otherwise. Like names of food or things that sound
         | like something which has absolutely no relation to the product.
        
         | codeulike wrote:
         | _Back in the 90's_
         | 
         | Well forget it then, it might as well have been a billion years
         | ago. Internet in a Box is an ideal name - describes exactly
         | what it does.
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | The 90's Internet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfMrVKnGzwg
         | 
         |  _" On your marks, get set...we're riding on the Internet"_
        
       | foolinaround wrote:
       | maybe there is already an internal search engine app that does
       | the indexing of the local contents of the drive, to provide a
       | quick search interface on the topic - with links to the actual
       | material?
       | 
       | Also, based on trends, would'nt most of the populated world (even
       | 3rd world) be covered by internet in the next decade? The prices
       | may not come down enough to serve the needs of the population?
        
       | Ensorceled wrote:
       | The complaints about the name for a free product, created by a
       | charity, that aims to help the deeply poor and remote because it
       | "conflicts" with an inside joke from a cult BBC comedy that
       | wrapped up 8 years ago are, at best, a bit silly.
        
         | Natfan wrote:
         | "The IT Crowd is a British sitcom originally broadcast by
         | Channel 4"
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_IT_Crowd
        
         | batch12 wrote:
         | I saw one complaint and a few jokes. The fact that the top
         | comment is a complaint about a complaint is sillier. Why not
         | reply to that single person?
        
           | Ensorceled wrote:
           | There were several name complaints and several jokes and they
           | formed the bulk of the initial comments. The complaint that
           | triggered me to write this comment has been deleted since I
           | made my comment and it looks like a couple of others have
           | been deleted as well.
        
         | culopatin wrote:
         | I thought of "It's a d** in a box!".
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/Rt0spqQtMKg
        
       | Nzola wrote:
       | The Lokole email benefit to the offline communities: When a
       | community has no Internet availability or its population cannot
       | individually afford existing Internet data, it will be very
       | difficult for this community to use traditional email
       | sustainably, but condemned to use SMS. As you know, SMS has a
       | limited capacity. The Lokole is the solution to this problem. The
       | Lokole brings the online email full power to offline use for the
       | unconnected communities in a shareable, affordable and
       | sustainable way. Using the Lokole reduces the cost of data to
       | more than 95%. For instance in the Congo DRC, 100 people can
       | share US$ 0.50 a day to send a hundreds of emails with
       | attachments. The Lokole creates a shareable local email network
       | in the office, school, or clinics and church facilities without
       | Internet. The Lokole email can also be accessed online such as
       | Internet cafe.
        
       | agnidh wrote:
       | For those who are interested here are some links to examples of
       | curations done by implementers:
       | 
       | http://iiab.me/jamaica/
       | 
       | http://iiab.me/mexico/
       | 
       | http://iiab.me/haiti/
       | 
       | http://iiab.me/en-medical/
        
       | Brajeshwar wrote:
       | This is awesome. A friend of mine and I once did something for
       | the local kids of our hometown way back (I guess, 2005-2007)
       | where there was no proper Internet in that part of the country. A
       | local LAN setup with few Desktop computers, where we load up
       | videos for education. While kids takes turn to use the computers,
       | they can watch videos in groups -- Videos which are readily
       | available for free on the Internet. It didn't really "succeed"
       | due to many reasons and I gave up.
       | 
       | On a lighter note; here is an "Internet in a Box"
       | https://www.dropbox.com/s/52f9ceusbm9kd4j/internet-in-a-box....
        
         | eigenvalue wrote:
         | I vividly remember my dad buying that internet in a box thing
         | in the 90s. What a ridiculous product.
        
           | banana_giraffe wrote:
           | I worked for the division of CompuServe responsible for that.
           | I even have "Internet In a Box For Kids" still in the shrink-
           | wrap on a shelf behind me. I keep it in case I ever need to
           | bootstrap the Internet after a disaster.
           | 
           | That division had some .. uh .. interesting sales ideas. One
           | of the ones I remember painfully was an attempt to cross-
           | promote our sign-up disks with a heavy metal band. Disks were
           | given out for free at concerts. The net result, to be
           | expected, I suppose, was an impressive number of confused
           | fans calling up support and asking when the next concert was.
        
           | _hyn3 wrote:
           | I don't think it was ridiculous, except perhaps for the name,
           | but non-tech people back then didn't even really know what
           | the Internet was. It probably didn't seem far-fetched, since
           | most (all?) products were basically tangible things that
           | could fit into a box, and it probably bridged the gap.
           | 
           | In that box was a browser and list of dial-up POPs and
           | designed to compete with AOL, which offered AOL's version of
           | the Internet and was peppering the country with free floppies
           | (and later CD-ROM's).
           | 
           | Other than AOL, most people in the country could only do
           | dial-up to gain access to the _World Wide Web_ (it sounds so
           | quaint when you write it out now!).
           | 
           | Juno did this even better -- for free, with ads:
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juno_Online_Services
           | 
           | Shockingly, they're still doing it today! I had no idea there
           | was a market for free dial-up internet in 2021! That is so
           | cool.
           | 
           | https://www.juno.com/free
           | 
           | A lucky few within a certain distance from their CLEC's CO
           | could get DSL or would spring $800/mo (or a lot more!) for a
           | 1.5Megabit/s T1.
           | 
           | I think it was around the late 90's that Time Warner and a
           | few other cable companies started testing out high-speed
           | cable.
           | 
           | So, to me, the Internet-In-A-Box product was a cool thing
           | that didn't last that long because most people migrated from
           | dial-up to broadband as quickly as they were able. I wonder,
           | though, why it died so quickly while Juno is still around
           | 20-something years later! Freemium is a better business
           | model?
        
       | jlanger wrote:
       | The name is confusing, I also was expecting a reference to the IT
       | Crowd. As others have suggested, a more direct and contextual
       | name might help.
        
       | Nzola wrote:
       | The Lokole email benefit to the offline communities; When a
       | community has no Internet availability or its population cannot
       | individually afford existing Internet data, it will be very
       | difficult for this community to use traditional email
       | sustainably, but condemned to use SMS. As you know, SMS has a
       | limited capacity. The Lokole is the solution to this problem. The
       | Lokole brings the online email full power to offline use for the
       | unconnected communities in a shareable, affordable and
       | sustainable way. Using the Lokole reduces the cost of data to
       | more than 95%. For instance in the Congo DRC, 100 people can
       | share US$ 0.50 a day to send a hundreds of emails with
       | attachments. The Lokole creates a shareable local email network
       | in the office, school, or clinics and church facilities without
       | Internet. The Lokole email can also be accessed online such as
       | Internet cafe.
        
       | MandieD wrote:
       | I like the idea as part of our power outage prep kit - running on
       | a single Raspberry Pi means it can run off one of those
       | ubiquitous power banks that can be safely charged from our small
       | generator.
        
       | jimmar wrote:
       | Who first coined "Internet in a box?" When I saw the title, I
       | thought back fondly to 1994 when my dad came home with a package
       | of software called "Internet in a box" -
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBox.
        
         | pridkett wrote:
         | Same here. I remember thinking it promised so much, but there
         | were always problems with getting it to work. I managed to have
         | someone walk me through how to get Trumpet Winsock to work with
         | a university dialup a few months later and the rest was
         | history.
        
         | s_dev wrote:
         | The naming reminds me of MailInABox: https://mailinabox.email/
        
         | gnabgib wrote:
         | Perhaps S3E4 of [IT
         | Crowd](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487831/episodes?season=3)?
         | from 2008.
         | 
         | https://theitcrowd.fandom.com/wiki/The_Internet
        
         | DyslexicAtheist wrote:
         | first ting I thought of was _The IT Crowd_ :
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
        
       | midasuni wrote:
       | Did Stephen Hawking demagnetise it? Shouldn't it be on top of Big
       | Ben?
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | What? No one has mentioned Moss' "This is the Internet"?
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDbyYGrswtg
        
         | maxwelldone wrote:
         | The one that's kept on top of the Big Ben?
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | I hope the advent of machine learning will afford us a way to
         | filter out 50-95% of the laugh tracks in The IT Crowd. I'd love
         | to be able to watch it for more than 5 minutes at a time again.
        
         | amelius wrote:
         | Not my kind of humor (I'm the guy in the audience who wasn't
         | laughing).
        
           | bruce343434 wrote:
           | "the internet" [crowd start laughing uncontrollably, the
           | booms of hystericallity are so loud they create a big bang]
        
           | Scene_Cast2 wrote:
           | That particular gag is rather meh, compared to the rest of
           | the show, IMHO.
        
             | iso1210 wrote:
             | It's iconic, but there were many more subtle gags
             | 
             | The IT Crowd popularised "have you tried turning it off and
             | on again"
        
       | ThinkBeat wrote:
       | When I read the headline, I had an alternate vision of this.
       | 
       | A super hardened computer, drop proof, waterproof, weatherproof,
       | sandproof, rated for at least 20 years of use.
       | 
       | No moveable parts and everything stored on PROM.
       | 
       | It would come with a kit to use any power source possible
       | 
       | That should be able to survive in remote village with no
       | supervision required for a long time.
       | 
       | I did not imagine a PI with a plastic case and a standard
       | harddrive.
       | 
       | Clearly the rugged one would cost magnitudes more and things like
       | WordPress and other programs like it would not be possible on
       | rugged version either.
       | 
       | I would think that as a plus not a minus.
       | 
       | If a village fills up a blog or some other such software with
       | large amounts of data and the harddrive crashes its gone. Does
       | not come with a backup as far asI can see
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | There's absolutely nothing preventing you from building your
         | IIAB into precisely such an enclosure with such a power supply.
         | IIAB is a set of scripts to load the software onto such a box,
         | and they also have a cheap hardware recipe that'll get you
         | going for the 99.9994% of situations where being sandproof is
         | not important.
         | 
         | But you can use those very same scripts to install the content
         | on your sandproof ultramachine. What's the gripe?
        
         | agnidh wrote:
         | I should add that there is backup to another sdcard for cloning
         | or archiving. Cost is a major criterion for most deployments
         | that use a Raspberry Pi.
        
         | nfriedly wrote:
         | I think that's a little unfair. The focus here is on the
         | software. Yes, the examples show it running on a pi, but they
         | don't limit it to that. It should also be able to run on your
         | hypothetical rugged box.
        
         | anamexis wrote:
         | As you mention, this would cost magnitudes more. Why not just
         | send at least 20 RPis instead?
        
         | Balduran wrote:
         | I also thought of this. What's the max life of a device like
         | raspberry pi? 5? 10 years? What could be the causes of their
         | failure?
        
           | pcdoodle wrote:
           | A USB booting pi should last 30+ years if it's kept out of
           | the sun and rain.
        
       | evilstark wrote:
       | I'm going to put one of these in my "zombie-apocalypse" go-bag.
        
       | jbverschoor wrote:
       | Confusing name.. It made me think it's some sort of alternative
       | mesh network for the internet, or an alternative internet.
       | 
       | It's basically wikipedia and other things on an access point,
       | right?
        
       | imranq wrote:
       | I like the idea. It would be cool if multiple devices could
       | create a mesh network where students and teachers could
       | communicate with each other without a connection to the global
       | internet
        
         | agnidh wrote:
         | Most IIAB installations are single server, but some have indeed
         | implemented a mesh network including long distance links using
         | wifi extenders. Of course this is no longer a low cost project.
        
         | raidicy wrote:
         | This was my thought exactly. Excuse my naivety, but shouldn't a
         | wifi-enabled pi be able to broadcast and automatically connect
         | to others around it? And as long as they all have unique names
         | shouldn't <piname>:port_number be possible for a simple web
         | sever on them?
        
         | insaaniManav wrote:
         | It's evolving , just backwards (read:arparent)
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | see also https://github.com/iiab/iiab/issues/1540
         | 
         | there's thinking along this line, just needs some muscle behind
         | the implementation
        
       | spicybright wrote:
       | I love it! I just hope this gets deployed with more rugged
       | hardware than a raspi. Especially if they're relying on it for
       | medical info.
       | 
       | Sd cards suck.
        
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