[HN Gopher] Watchy: Open-source E-Paper Watch with ESP32
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       Watchy: Open-source E-Paper Watch with ESP32
        
       Author : lnyan
       Score  : 120 points
       Date   : 2021-06-20 15:59 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (watchy.sqfmi.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (watchy.sqfmi.com)
        
       | teddyh wrote:
       | I wonder if they are RYF certified.
        
         | moreati wrote:
         | RYF is probably Respects Your Freedom
         | <https://ryf.fsf.org/main-page>, for others wondering.
         | 
         | > The "Respects Your Freedom" certification program encourages
         | the creation and sale of hardware that will do as much as
         | possible to respect your freedom and your privacy, and will
         | ensure that you have control over your device.
        
           | Fnoord wrote:
           | Does this mean you are able to put off BT and WLAN?
        
       | gammalost wrote:
       | I've ordered one of these. Were supposed to ship on may 30. Got
       | no message from them but the site now says 27 of July. Wrote to
       | them to ask what's up but haven't recieved a response, they did
       | however post an update about that they've started shipping (it
       | still says july 27 for me though).
       | 
       | It's probably a great clock and some people seem to have gotten
       | it. But at this stage I'm unsure if I'm going to get it and
       | haven't heard from them
        
         | craftinator wrote:
         | I had the same ship date as you, and got mine yesterday. Lot of
         | fun to play with. My case was a bit nasty, seemed the injection
         | mold was just a touch off, but I printed my own case so not a
         | big deal.
        
         | squarefoot wrote:
         | Chip shortage probably. It's affecting a lot of products, not
         | just high end video cards.
        
         | ddlsmurf wrote:
         | Chip shortage is an issue, but they're definitely coming out,
         | can tell by the chatter on discord. If you want to ask them
         | about it, come on it and tag @sqfmi .
        
           | gammalost wrote:
           | I get that you're trying to help. But when crowdsupply has a
           | specific page that says "contact the product creator" then I
           | kind of expect to get a response using it. Having to tag a
           | specific person on a discord server is in my opinion asking
           | too much from a customer.
           | 
           | But everybody else here seems to have gotten theirs, even the
           | person with the same delivery date as me. So I have a bit
           | more faith in it arriving sooner rather than later
        
         | CraigJPerry wrote:
         | Mine had that same updated date but it arrived last week. I
         | haven't played with the code yet but i did wear it one day last
         | week and no complaints
        
         | alfongj wrote:
         | I got mine two days ago
        
       | spicybright wrote:
       | Took a while to find an actual picture of it. Scroll down on this
       | page to see: https://www.crowdsupply.com/sqfmi/watchy
       | 
       | Another interesting device in this arena, Pine Time:
       | https://www.pine64.org/pinetime/
       | 
       | Of note, PineTime is water proof. Which at least for myself is a
       | big deal.
       | 
       | The breakdown chart on the first link above comparing with other
       | watches is interesting. Watchy seems like it can do a lot more.
       | But I do wonder about battery life.
        
         | FreakyT wrote:
         | I'm still a bit disappointed the Pine64 folks didn't go for a
         | low-power reflective LCD like the ones used by this or the
         | Pebble.
        
         | bluedays wrote:
         | The Pine Time device looks way cooler than the OP. In my
         | opinion. The OP just looks like a circuit board strapped to
         | your wrist.
        
       | johbjo wrote:
       | It seems the easiest and coolest way to make a watertight case
       | would be to plug the usb-port with hot-glue and then pot the
       | assembled board in resin (epoxy/polyurethane). Either pigmented
       | or clear.
        
         | numpad0 wrote:
         | There are special "cap-less"/cap-free watertight USB
         | receptacles for phones
         | 
         | Ref: https://www.jae.com/en/releases/detail/id=1739
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | I think the USB port is required to charge it.
        
           | taylorfinley wrote:
           | That's why you'd plug it with hot glue, it could be easily
           | removed after the resin cures. Better yet use black silicone
           | and make it reusable.
        
       | dheera wrote:
       | I really wish this had a few more sensors, particularly a
       | barometer, heart rate sensor, and touch screen, these would make
       | it much more useful.
       | 
       | I realize it's FOSS hardware but I'm more of a software person
       | and would probably take me too long to figure out how to hack all
       | those things in _and_ get it manufactured ...
        
         | Fnoord wrote:
         | Heh, I actually prefer the smartwatches without touchscreen.
         | Physical buttons keep the screen clean. You just need enough of
         | them. I believe the sweet spot is 4. Pebble did it right.
        
           | djrogers wrote:
           | Strongly disagree there - I put up with my pebbles' poor UI
           | and controls until I got my first Apple Watch. It's 10x more
           | useful, and way more user friendly.
        
       | mmoskal wrote:
       | I wonder what the battery life. ESP32 tend to be very power
       | hungry with WiFi, not sure about pure BLE operation. This is why
       | simple long-lasting (eg Withings, misfit) watches use nrf52
       | chips.
        
         | dementik wrote:
         | Something between 2 to 7 days, see
         | https://watchy.sqfmi.com/docs/battery-life
        
           | Fnoord wrote:
           | Quite disappointing. They're comparing with Pebble OG, but I
           | owned both a Pebble OG and a Pebble 2. The battery life of
           | the former went away with the OS update to the OS version on
           | v2, but the 2 lasted easily for a week, and it looked better
           | IMO. The HR is like RNG, and the case eventually deteriorated
           | (and I sadly failed to replace it with), and of course the
           | support did not last long.
           | 
           | I now use a Fossil HR Collider. It lasts for 2 weeks probably
           | thanks to e-ink. The HR also isn't useful, but it looks good
           | for a round watch (except for the stage light) which you can
           | make look like a normal smartwatch, and it can control e.g.
           | Spotify and weather. I don't need much more on a smartwatch.
           | The only thing I miss is the ability to put Bluetooth off.
        
         | ajju wrote:
         | " The battery life SQFMI estimates depends on your use case --
         | it says if you're just keeping time you should get five to
         | seven days, but if you're fetching data frequently you may only
         | see two to three. Its open-source nature, however, means that
         | you could always fit a larger battery into it, or try and make
         | some software optimizations if there are features you're
         | willing to cut."
         | 
         | From the verge review
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | craftinator wrote:
         | I've gotten 2 days of constant use, and it's hardly dropped
         | voltage at all, will likely last 6. The eink screen uses no
         | electricity between screen updates, and the stock firmware
         | turns all peripherals off when not in use.
        
         | dheera wrote:
         | I suppose you could put it into light sleep mode (0.8mA) or
         | deep sleep mode (<0.15mA) most of the time, and only switch on
         | the Wi-Fi/BLE occasionally to sync data or when the user wants
         | to interact with it. You could also use the hibernation mode
         | (0.005mA) at night, and set up an RTC timer to wake it up in
         | the morning.
         | 
         | I do like the idea of a fully open source watch though, I used
         | to do quite a bit of Android Wear development in its early days
         | [0] [1] [2] but got frustrated with Google breaking my apps
         | every 6 months with new APIs, breaking my Android Studio
         | projects with every new version of Android Studio, and removing
         | them from the Play Store because of new rules. I much prefer
         | hardware and software that just continues to work if you do
         | exactly nothing, which is kind of how all my other appliances
         | work. It's not like my air fryer or rice cooker just stop
         | working if I don't update their software.
         | 
         | Also I absolutely hated Java and would much rather develop in
         | C++, (Micro)Python, or even C, all of which are possible with
         | the ESP32.
         | 
         | [0] https://www.pcmag.com/news/attopedia-for-android-wear-
         | puts-t...
         | 
         | [1] https://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/15/there-is-now-a-
         | matr...
         | 
         | [2] https://www.androidauthority.com/android-wear-remote-
         | app-404...
        
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       | lxe wrote:
       | Nice to see the watch faces page using the Web Bluetooth API!
        
       | ohazi wrote:
       | This seems conceptually similar to the 2019 CCC card10badge.
       | 
       | schneider has a great overview of some of the challenges of
       | (barely) getting that project out the door on time:
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/schne1der_/status/1232055729202323456
        
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