[HN Gopher] John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court a...
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       John McAfee found dead in Spanish jail after court approves
       extradition to US
        
       Author : ews
       Score  : 1148 points
       Date   : 2021-06-23 19:36 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | rozab wrote:
       | Interview with Jena Friedman:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/tfe4Fjf3sds
        
         | johneth wrote:
         | I only wish it was longer.
        
           | rozab wrote:
           | Well lucky you! https://youtu.be/i0dhBGZgJnk
        
         | drummer wrote:
         | Awesome. The man had a wonderful sense of humor.
        
       | andyxor wrote:
       | McAffee didn't kill himself
        
       | jszymborski wrote:
       | From DeepL:
       | 
       | > McAfee anti-virus founder John McAfee commits suicide in a
       | Barcelona prison
       | 
       | > The antivirus founder was arrested at El Prat airport and was
       | awaiting extradition to the United States for tax evasion.
       | 
       | > The founder of McAfee antivirus, John McAfee, has been found
       | dead this afternoon in his cell in Brians 2 prison, in Sant
       | Esteve de Sesrovires (Barcelona), according to police sources.
       | The Mossos are investigating what happened, and everything points
       | to a suicide, according to the Department of Justice. McAfee was
       | pending extradition to the United States after being arrested by
       | the National Police at El Prat airport.
       | 
       | > McAfee, 75 years old, was being held in Module 1 of the Brians
       | 1 penitentiary center. The prison guards, who found him dead in
       | his cell, and the prison medical services intervened to perform
       | resuscitation maneuvers, according to the Department of Justice,
       | but were unable to save his life.
       | 
       | > The controversial antivirus founder was arrested on October 3,
       | 2020 at the airport of El Prat, when he was about to take a plane
       | to Turkey. The arrest came at the request of the US justice
       | system, which accuses McAfee of evading millions of dollars in
       | taxes from profits allegedly obtained from activities such as
       | cryptocurrency trading. The judge of the Audiencia Nacional Jose
       | de la Mata ordered his imprisonment, and his extradition to the
       | United States was already planned.
        
         | ignoramous wrote:
         | English translation by Google (via archive.is):
         | https://archive.is/pxc4H
        
         | prvc wrote:
         | Is there currently any information out there as to the cause of
         | his death?
        
       | shimonabi wrote:
       | I once actually paid real money to read a short story about his
       | adventures in Belize.
       | 
       | He had a good run.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | stevespang wrote:
       | Wow, like Aaron Swartz, McAfee gave his "final middle finger" to
       | the US Gov't. - - now he is a martyr.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | We changed the URL from
       | https://elpais.com/economia/2021-06-23/el-fundador-del-antiv...
       | to the most neutral English-language article that was easy to
       | Google.
        
         | yarcob wrote:
         | The new URL is not available from EU
        
         | mellosouls wrote:
         | Not available to European readers.
         | 
         | Alternative examples here:
         | 
         | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57589822
         | 
         | https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/23/john-mcafee-...
        
           | dang wrote:
           | Thanks to you both for letting me know. Let's go with the BBC
           | link for now. (URL changed from
           | https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/john-mcafee-found-
           | dead-...)
        
       | mc32 wrote:
       | Good or bad, what a sad ending to a colorful life.
       | 
       | The guy was troubled and had many shortcomings, but he was
       | colorful and also achieved success and arguably was one of the
       | seminal figures in the nascent AV industry.
       | 
       | Sad to see his fall from grace and into a world of extravagance,
       | deceit and cheating (taxes) and, if allegations true, even worse;
       | then to end it on the floor of a jail -all by his own hands.
        
         | smoldesu wrote:
         | John McAfee is to Terry Davis what Jim Carry is to Adam Sandler
        
           | dang wrote:
           | Please don't do this here.
        
         | gkoberger wrote:
         | I mean, he very likely killed his neighbor in 2012... so I feel
         | like "colorful" undermines how much of a monster he's been for
         | over a decade.
        
           | cpursley wrote:
           | Why did he kill his neighbor?
        
             | MauranKilom wrote:
             | According to news story: McAffee's dogs kept terrorizing
             | people on the beach, neighbor poisoned dogs, McAffee hired
             | hitman to torture and kill neighbor.
        
           | mc32 wrote:
           | There were some very disturbing allegations against him
           | --which is why I included his fall from grace and the good or
           | bad.
           | 
           | I would just add some skepticism to the charges only because
           | the police down there can be corrupt and or inept and subject
           | to bribery and so on. I don't know if there has been an
           | independent international inquiry into the matter.
           | 
           | Anyway, I think it's sad to see people when they throw away
           | all the earned achievements in such a debauched way.
        
             | seppin wrote:
             | The good: creating anti-virus software that crashed your
             | work machine once a day.
             | 
             | The bad: murder and rape.
             | 
             | I don't think those things even remotely cancel each other
             | out.
        
           | mrtksn wrote:
           | If you are rich enough you are eccentric and colorful.
        
             | heliodor wrote:
             | Money enables what's already there.
        
               | jl6 wrote:
               | In pecunia veritas.
        
             | teach wrote:
             | "He's mad?" "Sort of mad. But mad with lots of money." "Ah,
             | then he can't be mad. I've been around; if a man has lots
             | of money he's just eccentric."
             | 
             | -- Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic
        
             | mrosett wrote:
             | The obvious point you're making is about a double standard
             | -- rich people are unfairly given more slack than others.
             | But an alternative framing amounts to evaluating a method
             | by its results -- basically saying "I don't know why you're
             | behaving that way, but for reasons I don't understand it
             | seems to work for you." That obviously falls apart if you
             | can cleanly separate their wealth/financial success from
             | their behavior e.g. because they inherited the money.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | mrtksn wrote:
               | I was actually referring to the slack given to him for
               | apparent murder and putting the police force on a
               | payroll.
               | 
               | "killing your neighbor, bribing the police and never
               | serving a single day for it? What an eccentric person you
               | are"
        
               | vmception wrote:
               | The slack has a compounding effect
               | 
               | Like, sure public perception isn't immediately bad when
               | someone is perceived as wealthy
               | 
               | But the immediate and long term consequences are very
               | different whether people went along with it or not
               | 
               | People can have louder and wilder public opinions when
               | they aren't beholden to current/future employment or even
               | advertising dollars
               | 
               | Even convicted people that do not need employment are
               | able to just go back to whatever they were doing. They
               | are not marginalized.
               | 
               | Even before conviction they can pay fines and settlements
               | and make it orders of magnitude more expensive for
               | prosecution to even mount a case
        
           | prvc wrote:
           | You're saying "likely" as a hedge, when in fact you are
           | instead merely expressing an opinion, without any knowledge
           | of the actual numerical likelihood of such an event having
           | happened.
        
             | Tenoke wrote:
             | What numerical value? He either did it or didn't. Likely is
             | an expression on the subjective probability based on the
             | information they have.
        
               | bdamm wrote:
               | What subjective probability is at play? None of us were
               | there, or even in court. Maybe something very traumatic
               | to Mr. McAfee happened that day. Would that inform some
               | of his later recklessness?
        
               | Tenoke wrote:
               | I roll a dice ask you to guess if it landed on 4 while
               | telling you it didn't land on 5. Your subjective
               | probability of it being 4 is 20% even if you weren't
               | there when I rolled it.
        
               | prvc wrote:
               | What is the value of the poster's feelings about this,
               | when we can rely on actual information instead? Appending
               | "likely" to the statement is just a way to dress up a
               | baseless opinion in the garb of objectivity.
        
             | brainfog wrote:
             | The amount of pedantry and over the top literalism in your
             | comment gave me an aneurism.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | But it didn't _really_ give you an aneurysm, _did it???_.
        
             | skidnews wrote:
             | Knowing the "actual" numerical likelihood is not necessary
             | to deem something "likely" or not.
             | 
             | I will likely take a shit tomorrow, but cannot say so with
             | certainty and lack the "actual numerical likelihood."
             | 
             | MacAfee fled the country after his neighbor was shot, and
             | was wanted by police for questioning. Let's not get cute
             | with metaphysical discussions about hedging bets and
             | "actual numerical likehoods" lol.
        
             | anigbrowl wrote:
             | 51%
        
             | steego wrote:
             | I believe that's how most people in society invoke a
             | numerically void word like the word "likely".
             | 
             | Call my cynical, but time and experience has taught me that
             | people do not back up qualifying words with the appropriate
             | level of mathematical rigor.
             | 
             | It's as if they want to express an opinion without doing
             | the leg work or providing any citations.
             | 
             | Had he invested the time to calculate an estimate of
             | likelihood, I'm willing to bet an estimate or confidence
             | interval would have been parenthetically inserted into his
             | remarks.
             | 
             | That's what my experience tells me. YMMV
        
               | BitwiseFool wrote:
               | "people do not back up qualifying words with the
               | appropriate level of mathematical rigor."
               | 
               | To be fair, how in the world am I supposed to calculate
               | such things and provide a satisfactory number?
               | 
               | The vast majority of my conversations and discourse don't
               | require or benefit from giving a range or specific value
               | to such words. Would the preceding sentence be better if
               | I said 90%, 95%, 99.5% instead of 'vast majority'? And to
               | be honest, most people - especially myself - aren't at
               | all accurate with probability estimates, let alone
               | calculations.
        
             | X6S1x6Okd1st wrote:
             | Would you have preferred the poster express a specific
             | probability that they hold their belief at?
        
           | jb775 wrote:
           | Guilty until proven innocent?
        
           | txsoftwaredev wrote:
           | And if the ladies stories about his hammock usage is true...
        
             | joering2 wrote:
             | [I stand corrected]
        
               | ceejayoz wrote:
               | It hasn't been "John's software" since 1994.
        
             | boomboomsubban wrote:
             | So people don't have to look that up, some women claimed he
             | liked seemingly consensual scat. Not really comparable to
             | alleged murder.
        
             | kingsuper20 wrote:
             | lol. I had to look that up.
             | 
             | Maybe he hung out with Chuck Berry too much.
        
             | prvc wrote:
             | That makes him a monster?
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | bennyp101 wrote:
           | I mean, is that 100% true?
        
             | dnh44 wrote:
             | If I remember the story correctly the neighbour killed his
             | dogs. That's a pretty strong motive.
        
               | Vadoff wrote:
               | John Wick agrees
        
               | Razengan wrote:
               | Sounds like someone else with the same first name and
               | motive.
        
               | oh_sigh wrote:
               | Actually, John killed his own dogs after he believed they
               | were poisoned by his neighbor. Were they really poisoned,
               | or was that just one of his psychotic delusions(like his
               | claim that Belizean officials were out to kill him but
               | killed Faull by mistake)?
               | 
               | We'll never know. But we do know that his dogs were
               | allowed to run free in a giant pack and attacked at least
               | 6 people (probably more, but they may be locals and not
               | ex-pats/tourists whose claims are more likely to be
               | reported on)
        
               | cwkoss wrote:
               | He claimed that he gifted laptops to the Belizean
               | government pre-loaded with spyware and alleged to have
               | found evidence that multiple top officials were engaged
               | in drug and human trafficking.
               | 
               | If true, would certainly be a motive for those officials.
        
               | FullyFunctional wrote:
               | This is how conspiracies are created. There's no evidence
               | and strong motive for him to create this conspiracy.
               | 
               | I'm a big fan of Occam's razor and in this case the
               | simplest explanation, in light of _evidence_ of which
               | there was plenty in the documentary, is that he was not
               | truthful.
        
               | oh_sigh wrote:
               | Weird he never provided any proof of his claims about
               | that. You would think that if he was invested enough to
               | put his own life in risk(according to him) to find out
               | the extent of corruption among officials in Belize, that
               | he would, perhaps, release the information in some manner
               | instead of just pretending like it never existed.
               | 
               | And what was the thinking of the officials who allegedly
               | received the laptops? "Oh no, the man who gave us free
               | laptops has been reading everything we've done on these
               | laptops. Let's plan his murder on these laptops now.
               | Don't worry about finding his address, it's just some
               | home north of San Pedro right? Just go kill a guy and it
               | must be John"
        
               | swader999 wrote:
               | He mentioned in his tweets a lot will be released upon
               | his death. We'll see I guess.
        
             | ozten wrote:
             | Even without being found guilty of murder... if you watch
             | that documentary he hires very unsavory characters to be
             | his armed guards 24x7.
             | 
             | You are one of the richest people on the planet and you
             | choose to be an armed bully on a small island with a lot of
             | poverty to exploit.
             | 
             | He could literally have any lifestyle he wanted.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | He hadn't been one of the richest people on the planet in
               | more than a decade.
               | 
               | Definitely did not have enough money for literally any
               | lifestyle, especially seeing as it appears he owed a lot
               | of money in back taxes.
        
             | anigbrowl wrote:
             | Probably (by which I refer to the standard of judgement in
             | the civil suit). https://www.theregister.com/2019/03/20/mca
             | fee_25m_lawsuit_ne...
        
               | bennyp101 wrote:
               | Ok.
               | 
               |  _hand wavey_ Tasered is not torture, else surely cops
               | wouldn 't use it? And he poisoned 4 dogs, people get
               | rather angry about their pets. But yea, killing over it
               | is extreme.
               | 
               | Still, seems an odd thing to extradite him for. Maybe
               | more to the story which we will never know.
        
               | spacechild1 wrote:
               | > Tasered is not torture, else surely cops wouldn't use
               | it?
               | 
               | You know, a cop would taser you once for a few seconds.
               | That poor guy got tasered repeatedly, including his
               | genitalia. How is this not torture?
        
               | Miner49er wrote:
               | > You know, a cop would taser you once for a few seconds.
               | 
               | Most of the time. Cops are known to torture people with
               | tasers in the US by using them for long periods of time
               | or repeatedly.
        
               | panopticon wrote:
               | And on the genitalia too. There was that Chicago police
               | squad that tortured suspects with a cattle prod to the
               | testicles to coerce confessions.
        
               | cbsmith wrote:
               | > Tasered is not torture, else surely cops wouldn't use
               | it?
               | 
               | You see a lot of Taser marks on people's genitals?
               | 
               | Cops have used clubs for years, that doesn't mean you
               | can't torture someone with a club.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | ska wrote:
               | > Tasered is not torture, else surely cops wouldn't use
               | it?
               | 
               | The history of trying to define things like "torture" as
               | what the "good guys" don't do has a long an storied past,
               | none of it successful.
        
           | seppin wrote:
           | And a long history of probable sexual assault / rape.
        
       | luhego wrote:
       | Even though he lived a cuestionable life. He was a free man until
       | the end. I respect him for that.
        
         | eganist wrote:
         | Technically still a free man. No convictions against him as
         | related to the extradition request.
        
         | msbarnett wrote:
         | > He was a free man until the end.
         | 
         | He literally died in jail.
        
           | mc32 wrote:
           | Jail is detention before trial, not imprisonment in a
           | penitentiary.
        
             | ornornor wrote:
             | Isn't the end result the same: you can't go anywhere? I
             | wouldn't call that free.
        
             | msbarnett wrote:
             | I wouldn't describe being held in custody pending
             | extradition as "being free". YMMV.
        
               | mc32 wrote:
               | Yes and no. It's not like I'd expect him to carry a
               | cyanide pill and just as he's about to be arrested
               | swallows it to be technically correct.
               | 
               | I think this qualifies "dying free" in spirit since his
               | death means objection to remaining in custody.
        
               | moate wrote:
               | Just to be clear: We're saying it's admirable to kill
               | yourself rather than face the consequences of your
               | illegal behavior? That's what we're respecting in this
               | thread?
               | 
               | The man was believed to have committed a litany of
               | offenses including attacking other humans but "he was so
               | respectable because he never let them convict him"?
               | 
               | "Bad rich guy kills himself in pathetic attempt to avoid
               | justice" would be my preferred headline personally.
        
             | DJBunnies wrote:
             | It is still being held captive against ones will.
        
             | pm90 wrote:
             | Either way it's questionable if he was "free".
        
           | luhego wrote:
           | He lived his life the way he wanted and he even decided how
           | to die.
        
           | casi18 wrote:
           | its interesting to read reflections of people locked up. very
           | often they talk of how we are all in our own forms of jail.
           | freedom is a state of mind.
        
             | anonytrary wrote:
             | Hold on. I talk like this and I'm a free man with a good
             | job, good friends, and a good life. Sure, it becomes even
             | more apparent when you are in a cage. But it's true,
             | everyone really is in a cage of their own making. Even
             | worse, being in a cage of someone else's making.
        
         | res0nat0r wrote:
         | Everyone seems to forget that he likely had his neighbor
         | tortured and killed:
         | https://www.theregister.com/2019/03/20/mcafee_25m_lawsuit_ne...
        
           | morelisp wrote:
           | He also raped a business partner.
        
           | haakon wrote:
           | He's so frequently called "colorful" and "successful". In
           | fact, he was a nutjob who most likely did unspeakable things
           | when he wasn't busy doing just terrible things.
        
             | toomuchtodo wrote:
             | Charisma is a helluva drug.
        
               | Scoundreller wrote:
               | so is MDPV.
               | 
               | John was "stuffmonger" on a drug forum here:
               | https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/hello-and-an-mdpv-
               | quest...
               | 
               | A good summary here: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/co
               | mments/8utitu/john_mcafe...
        
               | enriquto wrote:
               | Funniest stuff I've read in years. Lit up my mood a bit
               | after the bad news.
        
             | vernie wrote:
             | This is a community built around aspiring to be a rich
             | freak, what do you expect?
        
         | ryanmentor wrote:
         | Though they caged his body, his soul was unchained.
        
       | tromp wrote:
       | Or in english:
       | 
       | https://nypost.com/2021/06/23/john-mcafee-dies-by-suicide-in...
        
         | adrianmonk wrote:
         | Another English source:
         | 
         | https://news.yahoo.com/john-mcafee-found-dead-spanish-193256...
        
       | eganist wrote:
       | https://elpais-com.translate.goog/economia/2021-06-23/el-fun...
       | 
       | Google translate.
        
       | neom wrote:
       | I met John in an Atlanta airport lounge years ago[1]. I
       | recognized him immediately as I've always admired him, and I
       | decided to go up to him and tell him as much. He invited me to
       | sit down, and told him about when I was a teenager in the 90s
       | learning about tech entrepreneurs at the time, I always thought
       | he was pretty cool and had good ideas. I told him I respected
       | him, and that I was sure he'd lived an incredible life and
       | thanked him for his contributions. He was clearly totally
       | sloshed(inebriated) and insisted he called his wife so I could
       | recount the story to her. I did. An hr later I had to leave to
       | catch my flight, and i asked him where he was going - he said I'd
       | find out some "pretty crazy shit" about him next week, and that
       | "the doc was a bunch of BS". Two days later, I read Show Time had
       | announced "Gringo: The Dangerous Life of John McAfee". In the
       | brief time I spent with him, I have to say he had pretty positive
       | energy for someone who was portrayed the way he was.
       | 
       | [1] https://share.getcloudapp.com/p9uAN0jQ
        
         | duxup wrote:
         | It's unfortunate that a lot of things we like about people,
         | doesn't really go hand in hand for making good choices
         | otherwise.
        
         | api wrote:
         | He clearly lost his mind at some point. Late John McAfee !=
         | early John McAfee. Heavy drug abuse and alcoholism looks to
         | have played a role.
         | 
         | Giving tons of money to a chronic addict (like he got when he
         | cashed out of his company) can be a death sentence.
        
           | jmcgough wrote:
           | Sometimes drug abuse and alcoholism is just an outcome of
           | other problems. I wouldn't be shocked to hear that he had
           | untreated bipolar or something.
        
           | njoubert wrote:
           | Do you have any experience with the stuff you're making such
           | bold statements about, because I have; and my god did you
           | oversimplify things.
        
             | threatofrain wrote:
             | Then perhaps you can provide some clarity rather than
             | alluding to hidden knowledge that you won't show people?
             | Otherwise what the public has to go on would be John
             | McAfee's YT and Twitter.
        
             | shapefrog wrote:
             | Tons of money, check Tons of blow, check
             | 
             | It was pretty simple at the time, blow up the nose, money
             | to the hooker, repeat and rinse. It only got complicated
             | when I ran out of money.
        
           | cwkoss wrote:
           | I don't think he lost his mind, but rather decided that it
           | was more fun to seek attention than credibility.
        
             | jbverschoor wrote:
             | Exactly.. the art of not giving a fuck
        
               | lavela wrote:
               | Seeking attention is an opposite of not giving a fuck.
        
               | ahartmetz wrote:
               | I think not giving a fuck means not caring to appear
               | respectable in this context.
        
             | jonahss wrote:
             | watch his self-filmed youtube channel and you may change
             | your mind
        
             | rchaud wrote:
             | Mostly towards the end of his life it would appear. I don't
             | recall hearing anything about him prior to 2016 and the
             | run-up in crypto.
        
               | mypalmike wrote:
               | He routinely popped up in the news over the last 20 years
               | at least.
        
         | JohnMcafee wrote:
         | I remember taking that pic.
        
         | Buttons840 wrote:
         | When you say he was "sloshed" do you mean he was drunk? Or do
         | you mean he was very pleased with your praise?
        
           | diogenesjunior wrote:
           | bruh: https://i.imgur.com/4Jw7EyE.png
        
           | afterburner wrote:
           | Sloshed means drunk.
        
           | arthurcolle wrote:
           | the former
        
           | jiofih wrote:
           | Not sure why you're downvoted. I was also confused for a
           | moment - "inebriated with praise" is not an uncommon
           | expression.
        
           | hluska wrote:
           | Sloshed is a weird word. It means drunk but if you go through
           | etymology, it started at slush and moved to slosh which was
           | to splash around in slush. Then somewhere along the lines,
           | 'slosh' meant to pour without care and make a mess. That
           | turned into pour alcohol carelessly and become a mess.
        
             | Arnavion wrote:
             | I always thought the association was directly from
             | "splashing around", as in "you're so drunk that it's like
             | you've been swimming in the stuff."
        
             | neom wrote:
             | Where I grew up in Scotland, sloshed very specifically
             | meant you couldn't pour the booze straight anymore, more
             | than just a bit drunk. However, it's also considered
             | somewhat polite, I thought... more appropriate when
             | speaking of the dead.
        
               | jwdunne wrote:
               | That's the meaning in Manchester too. Extreme state of
               | intoxication by alcohol. Beyond mere "I'm drunk".
        
           | heyoni wrote:
           | The latter
        
           | newsclues wrote:
           | Sloppy drunk was the impression I had.
        
         | rcurry wrote:
         | The sad thing is that our government seems to make a point of
         | screwing with kooks. I don't care if McAffee owed some taxes -
         | leave the guy alone, he's obviously unstable, has major
         | problems with drug and alcohol addiction and all they can do is
         | try to bring him even lower. Poor guy had major problems even
         | before the "heroes" of the FBI or the IRS or whatever started
         | screwing with him. Let the poor guy ride off into the sunset
         | for Pete's sake.
        
           | octopoc wrote:
           | Reminds me of the movie American Hustle. The government has a
           | choice of going after criminals who badly hurt a lot of
           | people or going after the easily-demonized bit players. Guess
           | which is good for their careers.
        
           | Klinky wrote:
           | The dude was found liable for two people's deaths, and evaded
           | taxes, like... I dunno. He doesn't seem like that great of a
           | guy. He seems like a self-centered reckless narcissist
           | leaving destruction in his wake.
        
             | hellbannedguy wrote:
             | When was he found guilty for the dead neighbor?
             | 
             | Anyways---you don't poison a guy's dogs.
             | 
             | (Yea--I know, I'm suspose to be compassionate over rich
             | dead guys. By rich dead guys, I mean the neighbor who was
             | constantly complaining over John's dogs whom was found
             | dead. As far as today, they had no evidence against John.)
             | 
             | I liked John. I liked he was different than most rich guys.
             | I painfully remember him stating he doesn't pay taxes. I
             | remember wishing he didn't say that in a documentary.
        
           | tclancy wrote:
           | Well sure.
           | 
           | But do it for poor people first. There are a million people
           | without millions suffering from similar treatment in the US.
        
             | rcurry wrote:
             | Thank you for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it. I
             | also agree with you. What I'm emphasizing is that our
             | government prefers to go after weak targets.
             | 
             | Not sure why you are being downvoted, you make a good
             | point.
        
           | gizdan wrote:
           | > I don't care if McAffee owed some taxes - leave the guy
           | alone, he's obviously unstable
           | 
           | This is ridiculous. Okay so let's leave all the rich people
           | alone who claim they are unstable. McAfee made millions, from
           | what I understand, he paid little taxes on that. That's
           | stupid. I don't care how unstable you are, or how good you
           | are donating your "fair share". You're still not excused from
           | paying your taxes.
        
             | to1y wrote:
             | Parent poster meant let's not make him look like a loon and
             | hound him relentlessly because of it.
        
               | gizdan wrote:
               | As use hugi said, that's exactly what he was, so why
               | shouldn't we?
        
               | hugi wrote:
               | But he was a loon and a thief/tax cheat
        
               | ab737 wrote:
               | So is Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg, etc
        
               | rcurry wrote:
               | Exactly. Thank you.
        
             | auggierose wrote:
             | I guess Google, Facebook and Apple are stupid then too.
        
               | gizdan wrote:
               | Yes. Yes, they absolutely are, and they should be
               | prosecuted for their tax avoidance. Same with Amazon and
               | all other companies. I, as lone individual tax payer,
               | paid _more_ in taxes in the UK than Amazon, Facebook,
               | Google, and Apple did, probably combined. That is not
               | okay.
               | 
               | Edit: evasion > avoidance.
        
               | joejerryronnie wrote:
               | There is a big difference between illegal tax evasion and
               | leveraging existing tax code to reduce your taxes as much
               | as possible.
        
               | gizdan wrote:
               | I edited my comment. I meant tax avoidance.
               | 
               | I totally understand that there is legal means of
               | essentially not paying taxes. That still does not make it
               | okay. As I mentioned, I, as a lone tax payer, who made
               | less then PS100k, paid more in taxes in FAANG combined in
               | the UK. That FAANG, who made billions. I probably paid
               | more in the UK than FAANG paid in federal taxes (in the
               | US) combined. The fact that Bezos was able to claim tax
               | refunds despite him literally being _the_ richest person
               | in the world and to hear /read people defending him
               | because "he legally did so" is absolutely mind boggling.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | aplummer wrote:
               | There is a massive difference between following poorly
               | written laws correctly and breaking the law.
        
               | ezekg wrote:
               | Yes -- one writes the laws, the other disregards them.
        
               | aplummer wrote:
               | Huh? The government writes the laws, the people elect
               | them. These laws could say "95% maximum tax bracket"
               | (They used to) but they don't. There could be a CEO tax,
               | but there isn't.
        
               | jmcgough wrote:
               | I mean he certainly could afford some good CPAs to
               | mitigate his tax burden if he wanted to.
        
               | [deleted]
        
             | Bancakes wrote:
             | Bezos and McAffee paid about the same amount of taxes.
        
               | slg wrote:
               | That isn't relevant for two reasons:
               | 
               | 1. Tax evasion and tax avoidance are not the same thing.
               | 
               | 2. Most people who think McAffee didn't pay enough taxes
               | probably also believe Bezos doesn't pay enough taxes.
        
               | Bancakes wrote:
               | Tax avoidance is tax evasion in all ways but legal.
        
             | ab737 wrote:
             | Now do Bezos, Musk, Zuckerberg...
        
           | bilbo0s wrote:
           | To be fair, you can't really do that because then that lowly
           | waitress who owes, say, 3 grand because her manager reported
           | her tips will say, "Why do rich people get off?"
           | 
           | And she'd be right.
           | 
           | If you go after anyone, you have to go after everyone in my
           | view. If anything, you should go soft on the low income
           | people rather than the wealthy. But on the federal level,
           | going soft on a famous and wealthy person when you have the
           | exact same evidence is just not something you can do in a
           | rule of law society. Particularly in today's environment. You
           | can do that on a state and local level, but on a federal
           | level the IRS, FBI and the prosecutors would be crucified.
        
             | jeofken wrote:
             | Correct. These systems can not work the moment the armed
             | men from the government stop threatening with guns. If
             | ethics are universal, such immorality as we wouldn't accept
             | from a family or a democratic HOA, can such behaviour be
             | acceptable from any other group, larger or smaller.
        
           | jasonl99 wrote:
           | "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the
           | unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to
           | himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable
           | man."
           | 
           | -- George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman
           | 
           | I've always used this as an excuse for what might be
           | considered being weird (at least that's what my family tells
           | me).
        
             | rcurry wrote:
             | As Hunter Thompson would say, when the going gets weird the
             | weird turn pro.
        
               | stevespang wrote:
               | Gotta luv Hunter, McAfee was on Hunter's level . . . .
        
         | Scoundreller wrote:
         | Your sketchy looking link which I mistakenly clicked on instead
         | of copy and pasting into my VM is b0rk. Says "This item has
         | exceeded its view limit!"
        
           | llacb47 wrote:
           | works for me
        
             | IntrepidWorm wrote:
             | Rebuilt that link for ya, friend. Cheers!
             | 
             | http://www.5z8.info/racist-message-board_u1s1lj_-----
             | TAKE.TW...
        
           | quenix wrote:
           | You run a VM just to inspect "sketchy-looking links"? That
           | sounds like paranoid behavior, if I'm being honest.
        
             | Scoundreller wrote:
             | If anything, not paranoid enough because still tracking.
             | 
             | This place would be one of the best to hit with a 0day.
             | Lots of IT people with full admin rights to entire
             | corporate networks.
        
             | jazzyjackson wrote:
             | Windows 10 pro let's you bring up fresh sandbox with one
             | click and about 5 seconds to boot, it's really not such a
             | burden.
             | 
             | Or maybe people just have temp VMs running anyway, and like
             | others have said, if you're browsing hacker news on your
             | work machine you should probably do so with a healthy dose
             | of paranoia.
        
             | CWuestefeld wrote:
             | This is a thread about John McAfee, after all.
        
             | bena wrote:
             | A healthy paranoia if you grew up with the internet.
             | 
             | When a link can compromise an entire machine, having a
             | machine you can literally throw away with no consequence is
             | nice.
             | 
             | Hell, I'd wager to say that containers wouldn't be a thing
             | if it weren't for this kind of behavior. Looking for ways
             | to build up and destroy VMs even faster.
        
               | dwarfsandstuff wrote:
               | You need a faster computer, man!
        
         | toss1 wrote:
         | My interaction with McAfee was in the pre-internet '80s. I was
         | called when a nearby international school got hit by a computer
         | virus spread on floppy disks. Looking for sources of info,
         | found the "Computer Virus Industry Association". Called, got a
         | little bit of generic advice, and he mostly asked me to send
         | sample disks. Turned out that the "CVIA" was basically a
         | pretext of McAfee trolling for people like me to send samples
         | for the anti-virus software he was writing.
         | 
         | Sure, mildly clever ruse, but I always felt that the way it was
         | done was a bit off - could have been more straightforward. I
         | guess he thought people would not help him if he didn't use the
         | pretext.
         | 
         | Somehow the rest of the story does not surprise me. Making his
         | millions seems to have given him no peace either.
         | 
         | RIP
        
           | onemoresoop wrote:
           | I'd argue that making those millions turned his life upside
           | down, made his life drown in hedonism, eventually taking his
           | mind and any shred of dignity. Still, RIP John
        
         | inovica wrote:
         | Often meeting your hero's does not go well, so pleased this did
         | for you :)
        
       | shon wrote:
       | It may seem odd to some, but I think the world was better off
       | with McAffee alive. I doubt he took his own life. He seems to be
       | the sort of fellow who would in some way enjoy going to court,
       | even if only to have his point of view heard.
        
       | dccoolgai wrote:
       | Didn't he always say he had a bunch of "dirt" that was triggered
       | to release on a coffin switch? Guess we'll find out soon.
        
       | aix1 wrote:
       | There is a documentary about his time in Belize:
       | 
       | https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/nov/18/gringo-dangerou...
        
       | chaganated wrote:
       | big F for my man john mcafee. epsteined in his prime. he will be
       | missed.
        
       | mooseburger wrote:
       | Getting Epstein "suicide" vibes from this.
        
         | xedeon wrote:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609146
        
       | bethecloud wrote:
       | From McAffee in 2019, "Getting subtle messages from U.S.
       | officials saying, in effect: "We're coming for you McAfee! We're
       | going to kill yourself". I got a tattoo today just in case. If I
       | suicide myself, I didn't. I was whackd. Check my right arm. "
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/120086428376625152...
        
         | throwkeep wrote:
         | October, 2020
         | 
         | I am content in here. I have friends.
         | 
         | The food is good. All is well.
         | 
         | Know that if I hang myself, a la Epstein, it will be no fault
         | of mine.
         | 
         | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/131680121508322509...
        
           | ceejayoz wrote:
           | April, 2021
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/138634987054662041.
           | ..
           | 
           | > I have been imprisoned in Catalonia nearly 7 months. I
           | speak no Catalan and little Spanish so human contact is
           | limited. There are no entertainments - no escape from
           | loneliness, from emptiness, from myself.
           | 
           | > This has been the most trying period of my life.
           | 
           | Turns out prison sucks after a while.
           | 
           | As for the food, he changed his tune on that, too:
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/139145553961222553.
           | ..
           | 
           | > Most prison food in Spain is indistinguishable from rat
           | shit in motor oil. The single exception is potato pie, which
           | is only served on Saturdays.
           | 
           | > Unfortunately today is Sunday.
        
             | ska wrote:
             | > Turns out prison sucks after a while.
             | 
             | Sounds like it sucks at the beginning, too.
        
             | ibejoeb wrote:
             | Yeah, and also he was a pretty damn good troll. No doubt he
             | had a backup plan, and this was probably it.
        
         | ceejayoz wrote:
         | He said he'd eat his dick on live TV if Bitcoin didn't hit
         | $500k by last year
         | (https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/887012614131372032,
         | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/887039604846714881,
         | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/887024683379544065)
         | so the track record on predictions... isn't great.
        
           | knicholes wrote:
           | At least he doesn't have to fulfill that promise, albeit
           | late.
        
         | aazaa wrote:
         | He never made good on this promise:
         | 
         | https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7qawy/john-mcafee-no-longer...
         | 
         | Kind of undermines his credibility.
        
           | shon wrote:
           | ;D
        
         | jbverschoor wrote:
         | Tweet from last week:
         | 
         | "My friends evaporated through fear of association.
         | 
         | I have nothing.
         | 
         | Yet, I regret nothing."
        
           | 867-5309 wrote:
           | a great quote -- thanks for this
        
           | greyface- wrote:
           | Link to said tweet: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status
           | /140517850671217459...
        
         | 2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote:
         | McAfee is an interesting person but I believe absolutely
         | nothing that he says.
        
         | rmason wrote:
         | In his last prison interview he said that all his money was
         | gone, his friends had all abandoned him and yet he regretted
         | nothing. Sure sounds like a last statement to me.
        
         | JohnMcafee wrote:
         | $WHACKD
        
         | VOSgqcSyGdPhGWP wrote:
         | And in late 2020: "I am content in here. I have friends. The
         | food is good. All is well. Know that if I hang myself, a la
         | Epstein, it will be no fault of mine."
         | 
         | https://archive.ph/peexn
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | jahewson wrote:
         | What you have here is someone ruminating on and obsessing over
         | themes of suicide. Sadly that's exactly the kind of person who
         | goes on to fall victim to that behaviour.
        
         | okamiueru wrote:
         | As cynical as it might seem, there is an alternative
         | possibility: in spite of getting a tattoo saying he would not
         | kill himself, and in spite of posting a tweet saying he would
         | not kill himself, he went ahead and killed himself.
        
           | willis936 wrote:
           | An unstable personality that hates the US saying the US
           | government would stage a suicide is much more likely to
           | actually kill themselves than your regular run-of-the-mill
           | evil billionaire with powerful enemies saying nothing about
           | how they will die.
           | 
           | I don't think Mcafee really thought things through enough to
           | come to this conclusion.
        
             | madememakeacct wrote:
             | "I'd never kill myself" is exactly what a suicidal person
             | _would_ say.. Great post.
        
               | willis936 wrote:
               | They even had it tattoo'd on their arm in a cringey
               | fashion to show how down-to-Earth and committed to this
               | plane of existence they were.
        
               | meepmorp wrote:
               | That's like 300% sane!
        
           | dragonwriter wrote:
           | > As cynical as it might seem, there is an alternative
           | possibility: in spite of getting a tattoo saying he would not
           | kill himself, and in spite of posting a tweet saying he would
           | not kill himself, he went ahead and killed himself
           | 
           | In fact, if you have people who will believe you (either
           | becuase of who you are or who your target is), and a beef
           | against someone, and see a confluence of circumstances likely
           | to lead to a place where suicide is your only way out, why
           | _wouldn't_ you set them up to take the blame if it got to
           | that point (especially if you blamed them for the situation
           | driving in that direction, so you might feel that it was a
           | lie in only peripheral details, but not grand narrative.)
        
             | read_if_gay_ wrote:
             | That would have been a _very_ long con since he has been
             | tweeting things like this since 2019.
        
               | cwyers wrote:
               | Well, seeing as 2019 is when he fled the US to avoid
               | prosecution for tax fraud, it's not like it took a lot of
               | foresight to say "hrm, maybe the US government will catch
               | me."
        
               | read_if_gay_ wrote:
               | Still that's quite petty motivation for such a long con.
        
               | cwyers wrote:
               | How is this a long con? It's two years. According to the
               | indictments he was being extradited for, that's _not the
               | longest con John McAfee has been involved in_.
        
               | dragonwriter wrote:
               | "Such a long con" kind of assumes that McAfee thought if
               | he got caught, it would take this long.
        
               | dragonwriter wrote:
               | > That would have been a very long con since he has been
               | tweeting things like this since 2019.
               | 
               | He started doing that not long after (or maybe
               | concurrently with) announcing he was on the run from the
               | USG in relation to the specific charges that he was
               | ordered to be extradited to immediately before actually
               | committing suicide.
        
           | smsm42 wrote:
           | Which poses the question - if you're absolutely sure you're
           | not going to kill yourself, how could you make sure that
           | everybody knows it and believes it? Is there a way?
        
             | willis936 wrote:
             | Reliable (and potentially even publicly accessible)
             | surveillance. Just livestream every moment of your life and
             | keep logs in multiple locations.
        
               | prometheus76 wrote:
               | How does that work if you are in prison?
        
               | willis936 wrote:
               | You can't. That's the job of the prison. This is why
               | people get upset when there is a "CCTV malfunction" when
               | high profile prisoners supposedly kill themselves.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | lrae wrote:
               | Not an option though if you're jailed in Barcelona.
        
               | smsm42 wrote:
               | Well, unless you get taken to prison where you will be
               | surveilled, but the surveillance will fail at exactly the
               | moment you committed suicide, mysteriously, and all
               | footage would disappear after a technician makes an
               | innocent mistake while backing it up.
        
               | willis936 wrote:
               | Right, so then obviously in that case there was foul
               | play.
               | 
               | Is that what happened here or are people believing what
               | they want to believe rather than striving to perceive a
               | fact-based reality?
        
               | the-dude wrote:
               | Ehhh, pretty sure he is referring to Epstein.
        
               | smsm42 wrote:
               | > obviously in that case there was foul play.
               | 
               | But is it? What kind of foul play - is it prison
               | management hiding the fact they had somebody kill himself
               | on their watch (which is professional incompetence), or
               | the other one?
        
               | mjsir911 wrote:
               | I believe they are referencing to how Epstein died, which
               | was ruled a "suicide"
        
               | Notorious_BLT wrote:
               | "So obviously in that case there was foul play."
               | 
               | Correct, and the events that user described is exactly
               | what happened to Jeffery Epstein, and yet somehow we have
               | no public information about who is responsible, and the
               | official story is suicide.
        
             | bingidingi wrote:
             | Put someone in a room and prevent them from sleeping for a
             | few days and I'm pretty sure you could convince anyone to
             | kill themselves. There's no absolute certainty that can
             | ever be provided.
        
               | slim wrote:
               | That's murder, not suicide. I think you made a point, but
               | not the one you thought you made
        
           | moate wrote:
           | I mean, I haven't done the analysis myself but "I'll tell
           | this story so that if I take the cowardly way out my
           | reputation will still be protected and the conspiracy
           | theorists will keep my legend alive forever" has a > 0%
           | chance of being the motivator here.
        
           | fridif wrote:
           | The better questions are, did he deserve to be imprisoned and
           | did he deserve to die?
        
             | babypuncher wrote:
             | Whether or not someone deserves to die doesn't seem like
             | much of a question when the cause of death is intentionally
             | self-inflicted.
        
             | dntrkv wrote:
             | > did he deserve to be imprisoned
             | 
             | I mean, that's kinda what happens when you don't pay your
             | taxes and run from the government. He would've gotten a
             | trial if he didn't commit suicide.
             | 
             | > did he deserve to die
             | 
             | No, I don't think anyone deserves to die. But, the most
             | likely case here is he did kill himself, in which case,
             | it's kinda on him.
        
               | tiernano wrote:
               | > No, I don't think anyone deserves to die.
               | 
               | technically, everyone dies... the question should be, did
               | he deserve to be killed, if he was (not saying he was) or
               | did he deserve to think that was his only way out?
        
             | vesinisa wrote:
             | You are aware that he was wanted for murder in Belize?
        
               | growt wrote:
               | But somewhat ironically that was not what he was
               | imprisoned for.
        
               | zamalek wrote:
               | For anyone wondering: "the Spanish High Court approved of
               | his extradition to the US on tax evasion charges." [which
               | is why he was imprisoned]
        
               | jacquesm wrote:
               | It worked for Al Capone.
        
             | chris11 wrote:
             | No, the best outcome would have been a trial with a fair
             | outcome.
             | 
             | But he went down to South America, started making drugs,
             | and got accused of rape and murder. The legal system should
             | assume innocence before trial, though in my personal
             | opinion he was an evil man.
        
               | stickfigure wrote:
               | You got the continent wrong.
               | 
               | I don't have much of an opinion about McAfee, but it bugs
               | me a bit when people who know less than I do have
               | stronger opinions.
        
               | okamiueru wrote:
               | > You got the continent wrong.
               | 
               | I'm not the person you replied to, but, do you mean they
               | got the continent wrong because Belize is in Central
               | America, and thus technically North America? Seems like
               | an unnecessary nitpick.
               | 
               | If you thought he mistook Spain to be in South America,
               | then, maybe the guidelines here would be of help. From my
               | own experience, it is better to not assume people know
               | less than you.
               | 
               | Then again, maybe you are referring to something else, in
               | which case it would be nice to know what.
        
               | beebeepka wrote:
               | What ecil did he do? Take drugs?
        
               | viro wrote:
               | he was wanted for murder in Belize....
        
               | beebeepka wrote:
               | I know that. Did he do it, or did he just piss the wrong
               | US "officias". Downvote all you want. This guy clearly
               | did not kill himself
        
               | viro wrote:
               | you know his life was basically over right? He was 75
               | years old . He was going to jail for at least 20 years.
        
               | beebeepka wrote:
               | That doesn't make him a murderer or suicidal.
        
               | viro wrote:
               | bruh ... who wouldn't be a lil suicidal when they find
               | out they are going to jail for the rest of their life.
        
               | beebeepka wrote:
               | But you just said he was 75 years old. That's not a lot
               | of jail time.
               | 
               | Some guys are suicided, others simply decide to change
               | their gender in jail. If you don't see how this works,
               | then I have nothing more to say to you
        
             | weare138 wrote:
             | I don't think anyone here is arguing he deserved to die,
             | but he definitely wasn't innocent either.
        
             | bingidingi wrote:
             | Those really aren't good questions at all.
             | 
             | He was imprisoned awaiting extradition for tax evasion
             | charges, so guilt wasn't really determined yet. He did flee
             | the US to avoid these charges and has since racked up a
             | considerable trail of charges from foreign governments.
             | 
             | We'll probably never see direct evidence of his death. But
             | suicide is plausible, given his history, I'd certainly
             | believe he'd contemplate suicide when faced with a life in
             | prison.
        
             | SquishyPanda23 wrote:
             | > did he deserve to die?
             | 
             | Is there a coherent answer to this in the case of suicide?
             | 
             | I feel like we enter a liar's paradox since the entity who
             | decides whether you deserve to die is yourself.
        
               | fridif wrote:
               | Aaron Swartz?
        
             | vbo wrote:
             | Why is this downvoted? Was he actually convicted?
        
               | tylersmith wrote:
               | He was in jail pending extradition hearings. Extradition
               | was approved today and he was soon to be relocated to the
               | US to stand trial.
        
           | HNfriend234 wrote:
           | True but it is also possible that he was assisnated. People
           | get assisnate all the time for political reasons.
        
           | prvc wrote:
           | He could have killed himself anyway--- that is _obvious_ ,
           | but his past statements still need to be taken seriously, and
           | extra care and doubt need to be applied to the reported
           | story.
        
             | fastball wrote:
             | _Do_ the past statements of a clearly unhinged individual
             | need to be taken seriously?
        
               | whydoyoucare wrote:
               | Unless you are very sure that McAfee was "clearly
               | unhinged individual", it is a strong statement and ad
               | hominem. Doesn't help add to the discussion than mere
               | gossip.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | The man said he would eat his own dick on TV[1] if
               | Bitcoin didn't hit $500k in 2020. There are credible
               | reports he paid women to shit in his mouth from a
               | hammock. There is his entire twitter feed. I am _very_
               | sure McAfee was a  "clearly unhinged individual", and if
               | you're not I'd like to know what kind of evidence you
               | need.
               | 
               | [1] http://dickening.com/
        
               | StevenRayOrr wrote:
               | We don't have to go any further than the tweet that
               | started this thread: McAfee claimed to be "getting subtle
               | messages" from officials in the American government
               | threatening to kill him.
               | 
               | He was a clearly unhinged individual.
        
               | read_if_gay_ wrote:
               | Nice circular logic.
        
               | oauea wrote:
               | Yes.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | So every statement should always be taken seriously? Is
               | there no minimum bar of credibility that should be met?
        
             | StevenRayOrr wrote:
             | > his past statements still need to be taken seriously, and
             | extra care and doubt need to be applied to the reported
             | story.
             | 
             | Why? The fact that he had a paranoid fantasy of being
             | murdered by the US government doesn't make it so. I don't
             | have to take extra care with the ramblings of conspiracy
             | theorists with a long history of outright bullshit.
        
             | Hamuko wrote:
             | > _his past statements still need to be taken seriously_
             | 
             | Like the one where he promised to eat his own penis?
        
           | moralestapia wrote:
           | As they saying goes, they dig their own graves.
        
           | colordrops wrote:
           | It is indeed an alternative possiblity, but the possiblity
           | that he was murdered should not be discounted. Murdering
           | those that challenge authority has been happening since the
           | dawn of history and nothing has fundamentally changed. Well
           | other than needing to make it look like a suicide since
           | modern society likes to believe it's enlightened.
        
             | notafraudster wrote:
             | McAfee was an obviously unhinged lunatic peddling fringe
             | nonsense. You can make an argument that cryptocurrency
             | poses a threat to the state, but a 75 year old man who
             | spends 16 hours a day rambling on twitter about fringe
             | stuff does not. The available evidence points strongly to a
             | deeply mentally ill guy facing life in prison and killing
             | himself.
        
               | dragonwriter wrote:
               | > You can make an argument that cryptocurrency poses a
               | threat to the state, but a 75 year old man who spends 16
               | hours a day rambling on twitter about fringe stuff does
               | not.
               | 
               | Unless they are, e.g., also head of state and government,
               | but that's not an issue with McAfee, though its not
               | unheard of.
        
               | colechristensen wrote:
               | Unhinged folks can be murdered by state actors outside
               | the law too...
               | 
               | This is one of those situations which may well just be
               | impossible to unravel in a satisfactory way.
               | 
               | In fact, if you're clever and in intelligence, a good way
               | to cover your tracks and generally be nefarious is to
               | provide a reason for your desired outcome to happen. In
               | other words, do what you can to encourage the unhinged
               | tendencies of your target so that they might actually do
               | it themselves or at least it will seem more plausible
               | that they did.
        
               | colordrops wrote:
               | "obviously an unhinged lunatic". That's a very strong
               | statement that doesn't add to the discussion other than
               | to trigger fear of association among commenters here.
               | Facts are always better than ad hominem.
        
               | the-dude wrote:
               | > but a 75 year old man who spends 16 hours a day
               | rambling on twitter about fringe stuff does not
               | 
               | Are we still talking about McAfee here? I am coveted.
        
             | twiddling wrote:
             | or he was mentally unstable and not being treated for
             | that...
        
             | Me1000 wrote:
             | It should absolutely be discounted, there's literally no
             | evidence suggesting he was murdered.
             | 
             | He was about to be extradited, the US Government was well
             | on their way to making an example of him. There was no
             | incentive to murder him.
        
               | gpt5 wrote:
               | Also of note - suicide in the US is extremely difficult
               | if you've been identified as someone with intention. You
               | get checked on every 15 minutes, including at night
               | (which can be a torture by itself)
        
             | 1-6 wrote:
             | There's a saying, you can't escape death and taxes.
        
               | onemoresoop wrote:
               | You can escape taxes with death though
        
         | chadlavi wrote:
         | yep, mental illness sure is sad.
        
         | aeturnum wrote:
         | The trait that carried McAfee furthest was, in hindsight, his
         | incredible talent as a hype man. He effectively created an
         | image as a larger-than-life figure who those in power were
         | afraid of and wished to stop.
         | 
         | I have no trouble believing that people wanted him dead in
         | general. He was credibly accused of both murder and sexual
         | assault[1]. I am sure he was annoying to many officials, but
         | most of the reports of death threats around McAfee were those
         | experienced by the people _he_ disliked.
         | 
         | I think that the simplest and most straightforward explanation
         | is that this tweet (and tattoo) were another promotional stunt
         | for someone trying to get out of the charges against him. It
         | would be another in a long line of claims McAfee made on
         | various topics which had the effect of, however briefly,
         | centering himself in the eye of the public. He wasn't adverse
         | to extreme actions and I have no trouble believing that he
         | would both get that tattoo and decide later to end his own
         | life.
         | 
         | [1] https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/12/12887124/john-mcafee-
         | rape...
        
         | elisaado wrote:
         | Because twitter seems to be rate limiting access to this tweet
         | ("Something went wrong, try reloading"), here is an archived
         | version
         | 
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20201005231441/https://twitter.c...
        
         | BTCOG wrote:
         | This. Gonna be grand when he faked his death and paid off a
         | couple prison guards 10+ BTC to escape and shows up elsewhere
         | in a year or two. One can hope, anyway. Plus, he had to get out
         | of eating his own dick.
         | 
         | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/131680121508322509...
        
           | dieortin wrote:
           | I don't think prisons in Spain work like that.
        
           | babypuncher wrote:
           | Why would one hope for him to escape justice?
        
             | shapefrog wrote:
             | Because it is cruel and unusual to punish someone for
             | hyperbole, severing a mans penis and making them eat it is
             | not justice.
        
         | dntrkv wrote:
         | Why would anyone want him dead? I don't think anyone cared
         | about him that much.
        
           | weare138 wrote:
           | This. The guy was just some drug-addled tech industry has
           | been that shilled crypto scams and dodged his taxes. I think
           | all those bathsalts were making him paranoid.
        
           | boomboomsubban wrote:
           | If people had reason to kill him, it would likely be that he
           | knew scandalous information. The public wouldn't really know
           | that people cared about him or what that information was.
           | 
           | I have no idea if McAfee had such knowledge, but "I don't
           | know any reason why someone would kill him" doesn't mean
           | much.
        
             | bena wrote:
             | What he knows is immaterial though.
             | 
             | Whatever McAfee would "reveal" would just be his word.
             | Which isn't great. Unless he knows how to obtain evidence
             | of things, what he "knows" is just rambling.
             | 
             | Movies have instilled in us this notion that simply knowing
             | something is good enough. It's not. Let's pretend for a
             | second that McAfee _knew_ that certain public figures were,
             | without a doubt, 100%, Satanic pedophile lizard people or
             | whatever the flavor of the month panic is.
             | 
             | If his only proof of this is that he saw Person X devour a
             | live baby while molesting children in the basement of a
             | pizza parlor, it's kind of meaningless. It's not much
             | better than just saying you know it because you believe it
             | really strongly.
             | 
             | The information he would have to know would be specific to
             | uncover something in a way that people could actually act
             | on that information.
             | 
             | Otherwise, it's like what Bill Murray whispered in my ear
             | after he painted my house last night, "No one will ever
             | believe you".
        
               | boomboomsubban wrote:
               | It's not impossible that his word could provide evidence,
               | he may know where (possibly metaphorical) bodies are
               | buried.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | bshoemaker wrote:
         | The more simple explanation would probably be "a person doing
         | this doesn't have a firm grip on reality, and might be a
         | suicide risk"
        
         | stusmall wrote:
         | There was a ruling today approving his extradition to the US.
         | US officials were about to get him and he was facing extremely
         | serious charges. That's a really important bit of context to
         | keep in mind before jumping to ideas that some shadowy "they"
         | had him killed.
        
           | paulpauper wrote:
           | I have hard time believing this, either that he died or his
           | motive. Tax evasion has one of the most lenient punishments
           | of white collar crimes.
        
             | AceJohnny2 wrote:
             | McAfee has shown time and again that he wasn't a reliable
             | or rational person.
        
             | jahewson wrote:
             | Paying taxes is even less painful and he didn't do that.
        
             | bingidingi wrote:
             | He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every
             | count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life.
             | Goes without saying but he was also an incredibly paranoid
             | person.
        
               | paulpauper wrote:
               | I doubt it. charges tend to run concurrently. If he
               | cooperated and paid what he could, likely he would serve
               | no time.
        
               | CommieBobDole wrote:
               | Yeah, but federal sentencing guidelines are complicated
               | and it's very unlikely he'd serve anything like the
               | possible maximum sentence. Trial probably would have
               | dragged on for a few years and he'd eventually plead to
               | something and serve a couple of years in a minimum
               | security prison.
               | 
               | That said, he was 75, so I guess even a few years could
               | potentially be a life sentence.
        
               | dragonwriter wrote:
               | > He had enough charges lined up (up to 5 years for every
               | count, IIRC) that he would likely be imprisoned for life
               | 
               | Usually, without aggravating circumstances, federal
               | sentences would run concurrently, though thr multiplicity
               | might push them up within the range permitted. So, lots
               | of nonviolent up to 5 years per count crimes with no
               | particular extreme factors likely adds up to...about 5
               | years.
               | 
               | Which at his age might still be a sizable fraction of his
               | life, and he wouldn't be the first person to act based on
               | an unrealistic estimate based on what is theoretically
               | possible rather than likely.
        
               | Hamuko wrote:
               | He was 75.8 years old at the time of his death and the
               | average life expectancy for a male in the United States
               | is 76.3.
        
               | jeffbee wrote:
               | That's not really how that works. The life expectancy of
               | an American male who already attained aged 75 is 11 more
               | years.
        
           | ufmace wrote:
           | The timing does make me suspicious. I'm generally willing to
           | believe he was "suicided" by some shadowy conspiracy. But if
           | that's what happened, why would they do it on the day his
           | extradition was approved?
           | 
           | If our secret ninja assassins wanted to take him out because
           | he Knew Too Much or whatever, they could do that any old
           | time. Why do it on the day his extradition was approved
           | instead of some random day 6 months ago or something.
           | 
           | On the other hand, it seems much more reasonable that a man
           | whose extradition to the US to face Federal Criminal charges
           | was just approved might suddenly decide to kill himself
           | rather than deal with that.
           | 
           | Unless of course the Secret Ninja Assassins knew that and
           | decided to kill him today to make it look less suspicious.
           | But then we're really getting into the weeds of conspiracy,
           | where any crazy thing we could dream up might have happened.
        
             | dontblink wrote:
             | Or they could only get too him in a Spanish prison and they
             | ran out of time.
        
             | bronzeage wrote:
             | You literally answered it yourself: you find the suicide
             | more believable today. If you find it more believable
             | today, and their motivation is obscuring the murder, this
             | is the perfect timing actually.
        
           | fastball wrote:
           | Unless McAfee has dirt on you, and getting extradited to the
           | US with serious crimes against him means a high likelihood of
           | him turning state's witness.
        
             | jahewson wrote:
             | He's not exactly going to appear credible in court.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | When I say dirt I don't mean hearsay. I mean physical
               | evidence.
        
           | TheAdamAndChe wrote:
           | Though it is also highly notable that he publicly posted "I'm
           | not going to kill myself, and if I do then I was probably
           | assassinated" before his death.
        
             | dragontamer wrote:
             | That was 2 years ago though. A lot in a person's life can
             | change in just 2 years.
        
               | TheAdamAndChe wrote:
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609346
               | 
               | He's also indicated much more recently that any "suicide"
               | wouldn't be such.
        
               | dtech wrote:
               | That's also 9 months ago, "before his death" is a bit
               | misleading.
        
               | ruined wrote:
               | and if he'd posted it yesterday, you'd be saying it's so
               | soon that it's suspicious and he's obviously up to
               | something.
               | 
               | what's the optimal cooldown to post affirmations of life
               | so that you believe they're true?
        
               | dragontamer wrote:
               | I guess I discount the words of others pretty strongly,
               | especially when it comes to conspiracy theories.
               | 
               | Instead of trying to look for evidence in someone's
               | tweets, how about we look at the facts on the ground.
               | Such as: was he on suicide watch? Is this jail reliable?
               | Is there a history of conspiracy and/or corruption in
               | this jailhouse?
        
               | colordrops wrote:
               | Very strange that you are being down voted.
        
               | babypuncher wrote:
               | The man has spent most of his life lying and cheating,
               | why would anyone believe him when he says this?
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | nullsmack wrote:
             | And then he killed himself to set off moronic conspiracy
             | theories as a final FU to the USA.
        
               | colordrops wrote:
               | Which is more believable, that he was murdered, or that
               | he killed himself to troll people?
        
               | willis936 wrote:
               | Truly the latter. He was not a well-adjusted, grounded
               | individual.
               | 
               | Also, what benefit is there to the US to kill him? They
               | already won. Being able to kill people you have custody
               | of is a weak message compared to "nowhere is safe from
               | us".
        
               | colordrops wrote:
               | They don't want him in the press talking. And it sends a
               | message.
        
               | willis936 wrote:
               | The message was already sent: you can't flee from the IRS
               | once you are a target. Showing you're not afraid to kill
               | enemies isn't nearly as chilling.
        
               | watwut wrote:
               | Prisoners dont get to talk to press all that much. You
               | are 100% of time under controll. And having him in prison
               | for long sends even better message then maybe-murder-
               | maybe-not.
        
               | Gigamo wrote:
               | He was literally tweeting up until a few days ago. What
               | makes you think he'd need the press to "unveil" anything
               | "they" "don't want him talking about"?
        
               | colordrops wrote:
               | No one was paying attention to his tweets. He'd get a lot
               | of attention in an extradition.
        
               | bingidingi wrote:
               | They don't want him in the press talking about what
               | exactly? He didn't exactly come across as a guy that
               | would flee to central america to keep decades-long
               | secrets.
        
               | julianeon wrote:
               | He didn't kill himself to troll people, really.
               | 
               | He killed himself to damage the reputation of the US
               | government.
               | 
               | He couldn't escape from imprisonment, and he couldn't do
               | much to harm the government. But he could do this.
               | 
               | It was the most he could do, so (I think) it's what he
               | did.
        
               | rchaud wrote:
               | How would the reputation of the US government be
               | affected? McAfee is not a popular international figure,
               | and he's not a martyr for any kind of cause that people
               | will rally around.
        
               | timmytokyo wrote:
               | The reputation of the US government will not be affected.
               | But I can imagine that in McAfee's confused mind, it
               | would be.
        
               | svloop wrote:
               | Do you realize you are ditching a conspiracy with a
               | conspiracy?
        
               | DFHippie wrote:
               | Which raises an interesting question: can a conspiracy
               | consist of a single person? How about if that person
               | speaks to himself?
               | 
               | More to your point -- replacing one weakly substantiated
               | theory with another -- there are still degrees of
               | plausibility among unsubstantiated theories.
        
         | Cyberdog wrote:
         | I have found that "I'll never kill myself. There's always
         | something to live for" is something that is very easy for
         | people who are safe and happy to say, and I pray that these
         | people will always be safe and comfortable enough to not change
         | their mind on this for their own sakes.
         | 
         | When you're sitting in a tiny concrete box and looking at the
         | very distinct possibility of spending the rest of your life in
         | such a box, either metaphorically or, in McAfee's case,
         | literally, the thought process is quite different. Yes, McAfee
         | has had run-ins with the law before, but maybe he figured he
         | wasn't going to get out of this situation so easily, and he
         | didn't have that many more good years left in front of him,
         | concrete box or no.
         | 
         | Thus, I'm willing to accept this as a suicide unless and until
         | compelling evidence otherwise surfaces.
        
           | jonahss wrote:
           | add to that: going through drug withdrawal while trapped in
           | said box
        
           | bronzeage wrote:
           | Why does the box being in the U.S or Spain matter to him, he
           | would literally be in a box anyway. From his twits it seems
           | he already made peace with being jailed and even said that
           | quote while in jail.
        
         | nabla9 wrote:
         | Anyone who believes that IRS or SEC sends a hitman to kill
         | people because they evade taxes or run fraudulent crypto
         | schemes, needs to examine their head.
         | 
         | McAfee was always paranoid. He was not a threat to the man. He
         | also lied a lot and even admitted it many times.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | anshumankmr wrote:
         | His body is probably not even cold yet and the conspiracy
         | theories are piling up. On a Twitter thread, replies range from
         | the usual RIPs to people claiming some dubious connection with
         | Epstein, Clinton etc. Not claiming that you are, but I suspect
         | many will use this as proof of something nefarious. Which it
         | might be, but at least I feel that it is unlikely.
        
           | duxup wrote:
           | It feels like everything now starts with 'it's a conspiracy'
           | for no reason and somehow everyone has to prove it isn't a
           | conspiracy ... or it is assumed to be.
        
             | duderific wrote:
             | Once you believe nefarious actors are running things behind
             | the scenes, it's pretty easy to apply that thinking to
             | almost any scenario.
        
         | MattGaiser wrote:
         | Why kill someone they were about to get legitimately?
        
           | celticninja wrote:
           | Because whatever he says in a trial becomes public record and
           | widely reported on.
        
             | colordrops wrote:
             | A lot of down voting of perfectly reasonable comments in
             | this thread...
        
               | chipotle_coyote wrote:
               | That's perhaps because so many of them, are like
               | virtually all of yours, persisting in pushing "he was
               | killed by the government!" based, as far as I can tell,
               | solely on him saying "I would never commit suicide so if
               | it looks like I did, the government must have done it."
               | Why are we all dismissing that, right? We're dismissing
               | it because we're looking at McAfee's history. The man
               | loved to make grand, conspiratorial statements with
               | absolutely nothing to back them up. Take a walk through
               | his Wikipedia page, and don't go "pfft, Wikipedia" -- I'm
               | talking about the parts with extensive supporting links
               | here. In a very real way, McAfee loved being a troll. No
               | judgement on him (at least for that), but I honestly
               | don't see how anyone can deny it was a huge facet of his
               | later life.
               | 
               | I don't doubt that at the time he said he wouldn't commit
               | suicide, he meant it, but based on other tweets quoted
               | among these comments, he was _very_ clearly in a state of
               | depression brought on by his incarceration -- and, for
               | god 's sake, he'd spent most of the last decade as a
               | fugitive. This is a man who went to extreme lengths to
               | _avoid being in prison._ So when you keep asking, over
               | and over,  "What makes you think he would possibly commit
               | suicide to avoid spending the rest of his life in
               | prison," the answer is "literally everything the man had
               | been doing before he was caught."
        
               | celticninja wrote:
               | That might just be me, I seem to have attracted the ire
               | of some people on HN recently.
        
             | rchaud wrote:
             | Edward Snowden has published a book, appeared on every
             | podcast and talked to every media outlet since the 2013
             | revelations. He's still alive (granted, in Russia, where
             | he'll probably be stuck forever).
             | 
             | I seriously doubt a drugged-up 75yo who lived outside the
             | US for much of the past 20 years somehow had a hotter scoop
             | on the US government's doings.
        
               | read_if_gay_ wrote:
               | Epstein has to be a suicide too then, because Snowden is
               | still alive?
        
             | onemoresoop wrote:
             | > Because whatever he says in a trial becomes public record
             | and widely reported on.
             | 
             | I don't think John had any credibility left for that to
             | happen. We will never be 100% sure but I lean %99.99 that
             | he committed suicide. He was not the kind to spent time in
             | jails. Boredom killed this man
        
             | pfisch wrote:
             | Maybe I'm out of the loop, but who cares what he says? He
             | is just a crazy person who dodged taxes.
        
               | morelisp wrote:
               | Unfortunately like Shkreli, Trump, etc., he has amassed
               | an army of angry young extremely online men who hung on
               | his every word, and will now descend on the comments
               | section.
        
               | andruby wrote:
               | Extremely online men?
               | 
               | I think the HN community has little overlap with the
               | #FreeMcAfee club.
        
               | morelisp wrote:
               | I guess it depends on how you define "little." You can
               | peruse the comments here before they're flagged; it's a
               | lot bigger overlap than any other community I'm in,
               | including some of the worse ones like miniature wargaming
               | or Emacs users.
        
               | cwyers wrote:
               | I mean, they're posting in this thread right now. Maybe
               | it's not a lot of them by percentage, but they're
               | certainly vocal right now.
        
               | mywittyname wrote:
               | He's also a liar and a con artist. And he's always been
               | obsessed with being the object of others' obsessions.
               | Like when he would claim to be the zenith of hacking
               | targets, nevermind the fact that he'd been irrelevant for
               | decades.
        
             | cogman10 wrote:
             | Did you ever get the impression from him that he was
             | "holding back"?
        
               | celticninja wrote:
               | I wasn't saying he was, just providing a possible
               | response to the question in the comment I replied to.
               | 
               | It seems like HN is becoming more like Reddit and
               | downvotes now indicate disagreement instead of being used
               | to hide things that don't add to the discussion.
        
               | boomboomsubban wrote:
               | To my knowledge he never posted something like "I really
               | did kill that guy." He may have still had secrets even
               | though his online life was so loud.
        
               | cogman10 wrote:
               | Perhaps, but I doubt those secrets were secrets that
               | "they don't want you to hear". He's never been in a
               | position to get any governmental secrets and, AFAIK, he's
               | not really known to have connections with anyone really
               | important in government (ala Epstein).
               | 
               | It also makes little sense that the US government would
               | kill him before extradition and not after when they have
               | a lot more control over narrative and investigations.
               | Killing him on foreign soil makes everything needlessly
               | harder for the US.
        
               | boomboomsubban wrote:
               | >He's never been in a position to get any governmental
               | secrets and, AFAIK,
               | 
               | Part of his career was at Booz Allen Hamilton, though not
               | for too long. Also he was in a position where corporate
               | or personal secrets may have been accessible, which could
               | also explain why an extradition would lead to action.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | Leader2light wrote:
       | The USA has a lot to answer for. Is a man's life worth taxes when
       | we just print unlimited money anyway?
       | 
       | Disgusting. We rob the world and destroy, even so, collapse is
       | coming and no amount of fake money will stop it.
        
       | gerikson wrote:
       | Shouldn't that be a _Catalan_ jail?
        
         | elicox wrote:
         | No, "Catalan Jail" is only for positive news; for negatives,
         | you have to use Spanish.
         | 
         | Come on! That is the first rule of brainwashing.
        
       | tromp wrote:
       | Please don't link to websites that snub Europeans with the
       | infamous
       | 
       | "Our European visitors are important to us.
       | 
       | This site is currently unavailable to visitors from the European
       | Economic Area while we work to ensure your data is protected in
       | accordance with applicable EU laws."
        
         | onychomys wrote:
         | But how would somebody not in Europe know that the website does
         | that?
        
         | suifbwish wrote:
         | I don't blame any website for protecting themselves against the
         | moronic laws of other nations. It's not ok for a government to
         | presume it's right to fine companies in another sovereign
         | nation just because the company servers maintain data about who
         | used their services when it was the voluntary action of the
         | individuals using the services that caused the collection of
         | data. That's like going into someone's shop and then trying to
         | sue them because their security cameras filmed you.
        
         | MaxBarraclough wrote:
         | If you see the GDPR block page (as I did), here's the
         | Outline.com version: https://outline.com/Sc93ds
        
         | viro wrote:
         | How about you fix ur laws then and stop banning EU companies
         | from using US companies.
        
           | bingidingi wrote:
           | EU companies can do business with US companies as long as
           | they're following the law. Thousands of companies and
           | websites have no problem doing so.
        
             | viro wrote:
             | Tell that to the companies fined for using mail chimp. You
             | might to look up the regulatory requirements to "follow the
             | law". when it comes to EU companies using services from US
             | based companies. Even if the data never leaves the EU...
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | rackjack wrote:
       | I honestly forgot he existed. He always seemed more like a
       | mythical character than anything else to me.
        
       | tenerifevisitor wrote:
       | Sad ending of one of the first innovators of the new technology
       | era.
       | 
       | Rest In Peace.
        
       | DarkByte wrote:
       | Why is it when I use the safari share button on my iPhone and
       | select someone to share this article to the URL is swapped for
       | this other nxsttv domain with an article on the same topic?
        
       | devoutsalsa wrote:
       | I choose to remember him like this:
       | 
       | "How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus" =>
       | https://youtu.be/bKgf5PaBzyg
        
         | bloak wrote:
         | Bit of a tangent here:
         | 
         | I notice he stresses the first syllable of his name. Is
         | "McAfee" always pronounced that way, also in England, Ireland
         | and Scotland?
         | 
         | Wikipedia gives the pronunciation as /'maek@fi:/, like in the
         | video. Is it reasonable to suppose that if lots of people
         | pronounced the name differently then at least one of them would
         | have edited the Wikipedia article to mention the other
         | pronunciation?
        
         | nverno wrote:
         | what a legend
        
         | LambdaComplex wrote:
         | Very NSFW. Very hilarious.
        
         | virgulino wrote:
         | "But the strangest part of knowing McAfee was the time he
         | wanted me to help start an AIDS-free sex club. I still remember
         | how excited he was about his new, brilliant idea. Membership
         | required a fee and an AIDS test. If the test came back
         | negative, you were given a membership card, which you could
         | then take to organized member parties, have lots of casual sex,
         | and not worry about catching the virus."
         | 
         | - My adventures with John McAfee
         | https://www.csoonline.com/article/2616198/my-adventures-with...
        
           | sterlind wrote:
           | Anti-virus in all respects, I guess.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | ping_pong wrote:
       | He has lived a very interesting life, to say it mildly. I can
       | think of worse lives to have lived, especially considering how
       | rich he was, how salacious a life he lead with his drug-and-sex
       | filled decades and even killing someone. Ending it via suicide in
       | a Spanish prison seems just about par for the course given the
       | rest of his life.
        
       | sschueller wrote:
       | Sad that the punishment is so extreme and state of US prisons is
       | so bad that people rather kill them selves than face their
       | charges.
        
       | krylon wrote:
       | I remember that time, maybe 5-7 years ago, when he had a car
       | chase with the police, followed by a little shootout. After the
       | police apprehended him, he claimed he had mistaken them for his
       | ex-wife, and also that he was on Xanax (and who knows what else).
       | 
       | One of a kind, that's for sure.
        
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       | G3rn0ti wrote:
       | 30 years for tax evasion? No wonder he preferred to die.
       | 
       | I mean, you'll get jail time for severe cases of tax evasion in
       | Germany, too, but it's a couple of years at max and most of the
       | time it's on probation.
       | 
       | How do you justify your draconic punishments in the US which is
       | supposed to be a free country?
        
         | dumbfckeuro wrote:
         | He would never see jail, hadn't even been convicted yet,
         | average jail time is like 15 months in the usa, and he didn't
         | kill himself.
         | 
         | Germany max is 10 years BTW, at least google before you post
         | bullshit.
        
           | G3rn0ti wrote:
           | It's 5 years. The 10 years are an amendment in cases of
           | organized crime or public servants misusing their power. This
           | exception exists to lock up criminals if no other charges can
           | be proven. https://www.gesetze-im-
           | internet.de/ao_1977/__370.html
        
         | freddie_mercury wrote:
         | Germany has more draconic laws than the US in this situation,
         | so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
         | 
         | "Under German law, the maximum term for one count of aggravated
         | tax evasion is 10 years. If an accused is convicted of more
         | than one count, the court can increase the maximum to 15
         | years."
         | 
         | The US is 5 years for each count, half of Germany's.
         | 
         | Macafee was under accused of multiple crimes, which added up to
         | the headline figure of 30 years.
         | 
         | If he had been German it would have 60 years for those same
         | multiple crimes.
        
           | qayxc wrote:
           | > If he had been German it would have 60 years for those same
           | multiple crimes.
           | 
           | Nope. That's nonsense. Contrary to other countries, prison
           | time isn't added on a per-conviction basis in Germany.
           | There's maximum prison time per crime (in this case: 15
           | years) and that's that.
        
           | G3rn0ti wrote:
           | Also jail times do not add up in Germany like in the US it
           | seems. If you are guilty of violating several laws you still
           | receive only a single punishment (,,Tateinheit"). If McAfee
           | has not declared his income tax correctly in three
           | consecutive years this would count as a single violation of
           | the law.
        
           | nkmnz wrote:
           | Nope, we don't add up prison time in Germany for repeating
           | the same or related crimes over and over. On top, the 10/15
           | years are the maximum and barely reached. E.g. Uli Hoeness,
           | ex-manager of the soccer club Bayern Munich, got 3.5 years
           | for evasion of ~30m dollar in a total of 7 counts, but could
           | actually leave prison after sth like two years, 1.5 of which
           | where ,,open jail time", so he could go to work and only had
           | to sleep in jail.
        
           | G3rn0ti wrote:
           | Prison time here in Germany is limited to 15 years at max --
           | independent on the number of crimes. People imprisoned for
           | violent crimes may stay there for their whole life if they
           | pose an ongoing threat to public safety.
        
             | rOOb85 wrote:
             | - Prison time here in Germany is limited to 15 years at max
             | 
             | - People imprisoned for violent crimes may stay there for
             | their whole life if they pose an ongoing threat to public
             | safety.
             | 
             | So... Germany DOES have a life sentence. Kinda misleading
             | to state it doesn't.
        
               | nkmnz wrote:
               | It's not misleading. The prison term is 15 yrs max. In
               | case of extraordinary violent crimes, the prisoner will
               | be continuously evaluated and - if deemed to be a threat
               | to public safety - hold on custody. Not because of the
               | crime itself, but as a preventive measure. Once the
               | evaluation no longer suggests a threat to public safety,
               | they can leave.
        
           | kriberg wrote:
           | wouldnt it be 15 years, as thats the maximum?
        
           | squeaky-clean wrote:
           | What? It says right there "more than one count, the court can
           | increase the maximum to 15 years." It doesn't say per count.
           | If you're convicted of more than one (up to infinity) the
           | maximum is 15 years.
        
         | monetus wrote:
         | If haven't noticed by the number of responses your comment has
         | engendered, speaking in absolutes can come across as trolling.
         | "You" don't justify anything; you live and affect the system
         | you are born into. The united states are not united in what is
         | desired from the "justice" system.
        
         | hourislate wrote:
         | The US loves it jails and they love making examples out of
         | people unless of course your a corporation or a politician.
         | Then you're allowed to evade taxes, insider trading, and
         | anything else that is considered a death sentence for everyone
         | else.
        
         | pcbro141 wrote:
         | My understanding was the IRS will give you a chance to pay back
         | your taxes with penalties, and they only criminally charge
         | people as a last resort. Is that not the case? Or perhaps only
         | for people who aren't being egregious with their evasion.
        
           | freeone3000 wrote:
           | Livestreaming your cryptocurrency-fueled presidential bid
           | while living on a houseboat in international waters to evade
           | arrest may qualify as "being egregious".
        
             | pcbro141 wrote:
             | Right, I don't think they tend to imprison people who
             | accidentally mess up their taxes or fail to report some
             | income to save some money. I think it's typically the very
             | egregious offenders who get jail time.
        
         | dcolkitt wrote:
         | Prison time for tax evasion is extremely rare in the US. Almost
         | always the IRS just collects the penalty and moves on. The only
         | real exceptions are either for criminals with a lot of other
         | charges stacked up (eg mob bosses). Or a public figure making a
         | political statement like Wesley Snipes.
         | 
         | Not saying this is good or bad. Just saying it's how it is. Joe
         | Sixpack who fails to report some cash income will almost
         | certainly never see a jail cell.
        
           | gpt5 wrote:
           | Selective enforcement is bad. The fact that the law says that
           | you could go to prison for one year for not filing taxes on
           | time, but that it's rarely enforced means that they should
           | fix the law.
           | 
           | Using it only on "bad guys" is a recipe for the government
           | punishing people that disagrees with them.
        
         | KMnO4 wrote:
         | > which is supposed to be a free country
         | 
         | A common misconception. The United States takes the
         | constitution seriously, but doesn't even rank in the top 15
         | countries according to most freedom indexes.
        
           | tonfreed wrote:
           | Depends what you value. You have to really look at what the
           | freedom indices are using to rank countries.
        
         | 542458 wrote:
         | Popehat has an excellent article about this sort of thing. It's
         | really quite good.
         | 
         | https://www.popehat.com/2013/02/05/crime-whale-sushi-sentenc...
         | 
         | The tldr is that the maximum sentence of all the crimes added
         | up has very little to do with what most people would actually
         | face.
        
         | srswtf123 wrote:
         | The sadly honest answer is that we don't justify it. The people
         | in power like punishing people.
        
         | Trias11 wrote:
         | US Citizenship in reality is an IRS trap.
         | 
         | Now Biden wants to hire 87,000 more IRS workers to harass
         | americans.
         | 
         | This used to be a great country.
         | 
         | Times long gone.
        
           | romanovcode wrote:
           | AFAIK U.S. is the only country that makes you pay tax even if
           | you are tax resident of different country.
           | 
           | Ironically it does not apply to corporations that fail to pay
           | billions in tax.
        
             | atlasunshrugged wrote:
             | Also Eritrea :) Jokes aside, there is a waiver if you are
             | earning less than ~$150,000 as a single earner where you're
             | not double taxed.
        
             | marton78 wrote:
             | Well, that military won't pay itself...
        
             | Trias11 wrote:
             | >> makes you pay tax even if you are tax resident of
             | different country
             | 
             | It's not that someone is tax resident of different country.
             | 
             | The disgusting part of this IRS racket is that US forces
             | people to pay taxes to US even if they no longer live
             | there. Eritrea is the only another one like US in this
             | aspect.
        
             | carl_dr wrote:
             | The US and Eritrea.
             | 
             | I knew this was a thing, but I had always assumed a US
             | citizen living abroad only ended up paying tax to the IRS
             | if the tax they paid to the foreign government was less
             | than what they would have paid to the US, and only the
             | difference is paid.
             | 
             | But it seems that's not the case, and you get an exemption
             | for "only" the first $108,700 of your earnings.
             | 
             | As with everything the IRS does, it seems complex and full
             | of exemptions, but I have read that (badically) correctly?
             | You could end you being double taxed if you earn more than
             | that?
        
               | Trias11 wrote:
               | Why person needs to go through the hassles and expenses
               | to file tax return every year to the country where he/she
               | doesn't not live in any longer?
               | 
               | What kind of state sponsored racket is this?
        
               | vinay427 wrote:
               | With the major caveat below, on the face of it, it
               | doesn't seem much less arbitrary to tax by citizenship
               | than by residence in certain cases. For instance, as
               | someone that grew up in the US and went to public
               | schools, I certainly used far more public resources there
               | than in my current country of residence, and would also
               | (as a citizen) have access to an indefinite further
               | amount of resources such as consular representation,
               | retirement benefits if retiring there, etc. It seems
               | about as arbitrary to me to pay taxes in a country that I
               | cannot unilaterally choose to continue living in, due to
               | immigration obstacles.
               | 
               | However, given that the global consensus is to tax by
               | residence, the US should absolutely change its policy to
               | avoid the hassles due to this inconsistency.
        
               | tonfreed wrote:
               | The US is one of two countries that does it. California
               | wants to levy a similar thing for people moving away from
               | there
        
               | vinay427 wrote:
               | It seems quite unusual to be double taxed according to
               | what I could understand from the relevant laws. The first
               | X amount of earned income is exempt as you noted. The
               | amount above that, if a tax treaty is in place with the
               | other country of taxation (i.e. your country of
               | residence), is generally subject to the rule of paying
               | the difference, although the details on this may vary by
               | individual country and tax treaty.
        
           | G3rn0ti wrote:
           | How high is the US income tax? And is it progressive?
        
             | smitty1110 wrote:
             | Top end, which kicks in at a bit shy of $520k is 37%. Top
             | end Long-term Capital Gains max rate is 20% at about $440k.
             | These are numbers for individuals, they differ for married
             | couples and households filing collectively.
        
               | not2b wrote:
               | The very wealthy can usually avoid paying anywhere near
               | these amounts, though. Corporate owners can pay
               | themselves a nominal salary and let the corporation grow.
               | Capital gains are only due when stock is sold. So they
               | avoid selling and borrow using their stock as collateral.
        
               | Trias11 wrote:
               | I think you're underestimating. There are Federal AND
               | state taxes and that math quickly adds up.
        
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               | echelon wrote:
               | Not all states have income taxes.
               | 
               | State income taxes are usually pretty low.
               | 
               | Texas and Florida don't have an income tax.
               | 
               | Georgia ranges from 1% to 5.5%.
               | 
               | California goes all the way up to 13%.
        
               | G3rn0ti wrote:
               | At least that's lower than in many European countries. In
               | case of the income tax at least.
        
               | carl_dr wrote:
               | (Helped by Google ...)
               | 
               | In NYC, earning about $100k a year, the effective rate is
               | ~28% tax (ie, you pay $28k tax a year), including federal
               | (~15%) and state (~5%), social security etc.
               | 
               | In the UK, for PS100k, it looks like it's 27.4%.
               | 
               | So very similar levels.
        
           | InitialLastName wrote:
           | > This used to be a great country.
           | 
           | When?
        
             | ahartmetz wrote:
             | Seen from over the pond in Germany:
             | 
             | It seems like the US were (compared to the rest of the
             | world) at their best from 1860ish to 1970ish. When they had
             | great education for he masses, public health, technological
             | and economic progress, a certain naive idealism, and the
             | most comfortable middle class in the world. Things were, if
             | not already good, pointing in the right direction. After
             | that, selfish and cynical elites took over and society
             | stagnated and fragmented.
        
         | AdamN wrote:
         | US indeed has draconian punishments. However 30 years is a
         | starting/worst case scenario to encourage a plea bargain.
         | 
         | Plea bargains are horrendous and really should be banned or
         | made extremely rare.
        
           | CobrastanJorji wrote:
           | I completely agree, but plea bargains are also the basic
           | mechanism by which the justice system functioned. They
           | represent something like 95% of convictions. If everybody who
           | currently took a plea switched to demanding a trial, we'd
           | need at least twenty times as many judges and juries.
           | 
           | I'm not against that, mind you, I'm just saying that you are
           | proposing a massive sea change in the legal system.
           | Everything about the recommended sentencing to basic
           | questions like "what incentives can we offer to flip on
           | someone" would need to be completely rethought.
        
         | dotBen wrote:
         | You're not free to not pay your taxes
         | 
         |  _(take that as an abstract comment, I have no view or
         | knowledge on McAfee and his personal tax affairs)_
        
           | tim333 wrote:
           | Many countries largely limit things to taking your assets
           | rather than locking you up, especially in cases like McAffees
           | where I don't think he committed fraud, just refused to do
           | his tax returns.
        
             | freeone3000 wrote:
             | There's an underlying element of basic cooperation there --
             | you will actually surrender the assets, eg, instead of
             | putting it all into cryptocurrency then sailing into
             | international waters.
        
         | danSimmons42 wrote:
         | The US needs to aggressively collect these funds so that they
         | can turn around and send a big portion of them to Israel. A
         | constant threat of draconian enforcement ensures that
         | Palestinian children can be blown up with the latest and
         | greatest military hardware. And let's not kid ourselves, the US
         | is not a free country. Any discussion of these issues are
         | quickly shut down (via comment deletion and/or shadow banning).
        
         | freedomben wrote:
         | Not just that but as a US citizen even if you aren't living in
         | the US anymore you _still_ have to pay US taxes. The 2014-2018
         | income taxes he owed were while staying abroad. The US forces
         | you to renounce your citizenship to get out of paying taxes to
         | a country you don 't live in. IANAL but that's my
         | understanding.
        
       | dukeofdoom wrote:
       | Q was his last post
       | https://www.instagram.com/officialjohnmcafee/?hl=en
        
       | rhema wrote:
       | I hope there is security footage. If not, I don't like the trend
       | for governments / organizations / powerful people in exacting
       | justice.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | bifrost wrote:
       | Thats awful.
        
       | Kharvok wrote:
       | F
        
       | JohnMcafee wrote:
       | Hello.
        
       | godmode2019 wrote:
       | RIP John
        
       | jordhy wrote:
       | May he rest in peace. Sometimes is best to realize we are not in
       | a position to judge.
        
       | automatoney wrote:
       | Should the title be changed to the more journalistic "died by
       | suicide", or just "died" with suicide left to the article body?
       | "Committed suicide" is generally not the recommended phrasing
       | largely due to associations with criminality - see
       | https://reportingonsuicide.org/recommendations/ as well as
       | https://ethics.journalism.wisc.edu/2018/10/04/a-guide-to-res...
       | and https://www.nami.org/Blogs/NAMI-Blog/June-2018/Why-
       | Suicide-R...
        
       | breck wrote:
       | Don't know nearly anything about the guy, but as a rule anytime
       | an enemy of a government dies of "suicide" or natural causes and
       | there is no video footage I am suspect. You can buy a security
       | cam and a year of monitoring for a the price of a hamburger.
       | Nowadays a 3 year old can't eat a cookie without there being
       | video footage.
       | 
       | These should be assumed murders until proven otherwise.
       | 
       | If you need a reminder of why, watch this video
       | (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJujIwtdk8w)
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_al-Mabhouh
        
         | caymanjim wrote:
         | People in prison are already living under an extreme degree of
         | observation and control. Now you want to deprive them of the
         | last tiny bit of privacy they can hope for and record them 24/7
         | in their cells?
        
           | breck wrote:
           | An interesting point.
           | 
           | I'll clarify. Anyone _imprisoned while awaiting trial_ ,
           | should have the right to live stream their imprisonment. An
           | absolute dirt cheap way to safeguard justice.
        
             | watwut wrote:
             | It is absolute sure way to ensure accused will be
             | threatened with violence if he dont agree with it. And then
             | the public broadcast used to harass him, his familly and
             | used to extract plead guilty just so that it ends.
        
       | nemo44x wrote:
       | He made it to 75 and had an absolutely insane, wild ride. What a
       | scoundrel and magnificent bastard. RIP.
        
       | EMM_386 wrote:
       | McAffee ended up doing YOLO to the extreme. Check out the "After
       | McAffee Associates" section.
       | 
       | > In June 2013, McAfee uploaded a parody video titled How to
       | Uninstall McAfee Antivirus onto his YouTube channel. In the
       | video, McAfee criticized McAfee's antivirus software while
       | snorting white powder, and being stroked and undressed by
       | scantily clad women. The video has garnered over 10 million
       | views.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee#After_McAfee_Assoc...
        
       | drummer wrote:
       | This is one of the most important tweets made by McAfee:
       | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/100016379550176870...
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | mrverify wrote:
       | I'm going to be that guy. He was suicided, probably by some other
       | country that had business they didn't want him sharing with the
       | USA. He was offering to help Cuba use crypto to get around
       | embargo. Who else might he have helped?
        
       | sva_ wrote:
       | What a strange life he lived. I'm not going to make a value
       | judgement about whether or not he was a 'good' person, but I do
       | applaud the fact that he dared to deviate from the norm.
       | 
       | "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered
       | mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production.
       | Too weird to live, and too rare to die."
       | 
       | -- Hunter S Thompson
       | 
       | RIP
        
         | notyourwork wrote:
         | That Thompson quote really resonates with me, thanks for
         | sharing.
        
           | gregschlom wrote:
           | Read the whole book, then if you haven't already (Fear and
           | Loathing in Las Vegas). Truly excellent.
        
             | to1y wrote:
             | Far from excellent imo. Repetitive and disinteresting in
             | tone and topics(drugs.) Ok if you're a teenager.
        
         | xadhominemx wrote:
         | He's a murderer and fraudster. You do not in fact have to
         | applaud him for anything.
        
           | Taek wrote:
           | You can celebrate someone's accomplishments without condoning
           | their sins. I applaud lots of little pieces of his life and
           | reject/regret many others.
        
             | yashap wrote:
             | I agree to a certain extent, but ... if the allegations are
             | true, he murdered his neighbour, raped at least 1 woman,
             | hired a small private army, and was possibly running drugs.
             | For me, that dominates my picture of him, building an anti-
             | virus company seems like a small detail in comparison.
             | 
             | We'll never know for sure which of the allegations are
             | true, but from what I've read/watched, my personal opinion
             | is most seem pretty credible. If they are, I'd find it in
             | poor taste to celebrate much about the man, given how much
             | pain and suffering he's likely caused.
        
               | 3np wrote:
               | > possibly running drugs
               | 
               | Didn't he have a pretty detailed site on "how to smuggle
               | drugs through Central America and get away with it"? I'm
               | pretty sure that was him. Can't seem to find the site rn
               | though.
        
             | ineedasername wrote:
             | If he truly is a fraudster, then you cannot really trust is
             | accomplishments as being his own.
        
             | aeturnum wrote:
             | I feel like there are some obvious problems with
             | celebrating successes without making room for what the
             | person did to achieve that success.
             | 
             | As an example: it would be odd to celebrate Amazon's
             | financial success without mentioning their labor practices.
             | Agree or disagree with them, they are part of how Amazon is
             | able to make money.
             | 
             | If people are more than the worst thing they have ever
             | done, then they are also more than the best thing they ever
             | did. Talking about either in isolation is deceptive.
        
             | cabaalis wrote:
             | I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure the age of social
             | media has us in the minority.
        
               | doopy1 wrote:
               | I agree with you guys... but this dude's accomplishments
               | are few and purely self-serving.
        
           | pessimizer wrote:
           | > issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding
           | the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances,
           | "gotta hand it to them"
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576
        
           | bogwog wrote:
           | and allegedly a rapist
        
             | f38zf5vdt wrote:
             | Just like many of our founding fathers!
        
             | tptacek wrote:
             | At least one of those rape accusations was made on camera,
             | by Allison Adonizio. It's not a fuzzy Twitter rumor thing.
             | She accuses him of drugging and raping her.
        
               | skinkestek wrote:
               | Not saying it did or didn't happen but plenty of people
               | has been accused not only on Twitter but also on TV for
               | things they never did.
        
               | tptacek wrote:
               | He was convicted neither of rape nor of murder (though he
               | was apparently found culpable for the murder by a US
               | federal judge in a wrongful death suit). I believe he is
               | guilty of both, as is my right; you might disagree, as is
               | your right.
        
           | DynamicStatic wrote:
           | Guilty until proven innocent?
        
           | JohnMcafee wrote:
           | Rude
        
         | belltaco wrote:
         | Taking hard drugs can lead to deviant behavior, so I am not
         | sure if people should be applauded for it.
        
           | skidnews wrote:
           | Taking "hard" drugs like Adderall and LSD can also lead to
           | increased productivity according to a lot of silicon valley
           | douchebags.
           | 
           |  _Looks around suspiciously_
           | 
           | Oh god, you don't think the deviants could be in this thread
           | do you?
           | 
           | At least MacAfee took that shit to have fun, as God intended.
        
           | stingraycharles wrote:
           | That seems to imply that he lived a deviant life because he
           | took drugs, rather than the other way around. This is
           | precisely the type of judgement that the parent wanted to
           | avoid. :)
        
             | engineeringwoke wrote:
             | Drugs destroyed his life, and it wasn't glorious. I'm not
             | sure what else there is to say
        
               | mitjak wrote:
               | or did he take drugs bc his life was shit? why did you
               | decide to establish this direction of causality?
        
               | echelon wrote:
               | He lived a wealthy and colorful life full of ups and
               | downs. I wouldn't want it for myself, but it probably
               | worked out okay for him.
               | 
               | We're all monkeys on a space rock. I think it's good we
               | have such variety.
        
               | dwighttk wrote:
               | > it probably worked out okay for him.
               | 
               | He just committed suicide.
               | 
               | And if you don't believe he did I'm not sure that makes a
               | case for it working out okay for him either.
        
               | TearsInTheRain wrote:
               | Did you know him personally to be able to make that
               | judgement. To me it sounds like lying on his taxes
               | destroyed his life, or to be more charitable to him, the
               | government destroyed his life
        
           | rchaud wrote:
           | So can being rich enough that no-one can check your
           | behaviour.
        
         | nonce42 wrote:
         | I came across a Wired article on McAfee from 2012 describing
         | his life in Belize, and it's quite a story. Starting an
         | antibiotic lab, hiring armed guards with automatic weapons,
         | trying to clean up drug crime in a small town, sleeping with
         | 17-year-olds (one of which tried to kill him), pointing a
         | loaded gun to his head, getting raided by the police and
         | jailed, lots of paranoia, and that's just the highlights. It's
         | worth a read.
         | 
         | https://www.wired.com/2012/12/ff-john-mcafees-last-stand/
        
           | twelve40 wrote:
           | thanks for re-sharing, what a great read to recap his crazy-
           | ass life
        
         | nigerian1981 wrote:
         | I always remember by Geography teacher correcting me on my
         | incorrect use of wether instead of whether and explaining that
         | the former meant a castrated ram.
        
           | sva_ wrote:
           | Thanks, I'll remember that.
        
           | layer8 wrote:
           | The way I remember how to write it is that "weather" and
           | "whether" have the same number of letters.
        
           | jonsen wrote:
           | There's a bunch of wh... words. Wouldn't you know them by
           | class?
           | 
           | In my language they spell hv...
           | 
           | Hvem, hvad, hvor = who, what, where etc.
        
         | hristov wrote:
         | It should be noted that this Hunter S Thompson quote refers to
         | Oscar Zeta Acosta. Acosta made a big difference fighting for
         | the rights of poor and marginalized mexican-americans in east
         | LA. He did something more with his life than just take a lot of
         | drugs and be weird.
        
           | syndacks wrote:
           | HST did a lot more than do drugs and be weird, but I wouldn't
           | imagine a computer nerd who clacks on a keyboard to know much
           | about Gonzojournalism or the effects it's had on American
           | culture.
        
           | antris wrote:
           | > did something more with his life than just take a lot of
           | drugs and be weird.
           | 
           | Not everything about a person is their public image though.
           | Summing up a persons life like that, even if you disagree
           | with his public image, is just inhumane. Did you know him?
           | Did you ever even see him once?
        
             | smoldesu wrote:
             | > Did you know him? Did you ever even see him once?
             | 
             | We're going to need to rewrite an awful lot of history if
             | our standards for judging people are "knowing them and
             | seeing them even once"
        
           | dleslie wrote:
           | FWIW, if HST is to be believed, I think McAfee and Acosta
           | would have gotten along:
           | 
           | Oscar was not into serious street-fighting, but he was hell
           | on wheels in a bar brawl. Any combination of a 250 lb Mexican
           | and LSD-25 is a potentially terminal menace for anything it
           | can reach - but when the alleged Mexican is in fact a
           | profoundly angry Chicano lawyer with no fear at all of
           | anything that walks on less than three legs and a de facto
           | suicidal conviction that he will die at the age of 33 - just
           | like Jesus Christ - you have a serious piece of work on your
           | hands. Especially if the bastard is already 331/2 years old
           | with a head full of Sandoz acid, a loaded .357 Magnum in his
           | belt, a hatchet-wielding Chicano bodyguard on his elbow at
           | all times, and a disconcerting habit of projectile vomiting
           | geysers of pure blood off the front porch every 30 or 40
           | minutes, or whenever his malignant ulcer can't handle any
           | more raw tequila.
           | 
           | -- Hunter S. Thompson
        
           | serf wrote:
           | should also be noted that Oscar Zeta Acosta disappeared
           | during alleged involvement with drug-runners, and defended
           | groups and people who now-a-days would likely be considered
           | domestic terrorists (like early Brown Beret members before
           | their first dissolution in the early 70s).
        
           | drvdevd wrote:
           | This is true. But he did also do a lot of drugs and he was
           | also weird. See Fear And Loathing in Las Vegas for examples
           | where he was portrayed as Dr. Gonzo.
        
         | rOOb85 wrote:
         | That's one of my favorite quotes. I can really relate to it.
        
         | beprogrammed wrote:
         | You win this comment section, there could not be a more
         | appropriate quote for this news.
        
       | KorematsuFred wrote:
       | I remember that John McAfee was a strong supporter of
       | prostitution. In one of the Libertarian party debates he said he
       | is the most qualified person to support this issue because he
       | married a prostitute.
       | 
       | McAfee represented the old west styled "good outlaw" stereotype.
       | Sadly, their times has passed away.
        
       | ibejoeb wrote:
       | Check out his instagram
        
       | wcchandler wrote:
       | Here's a story of how I'll remember John McAfee:
       | https://www.wired.com/2012/12/ff-john-mcafees-last-stand/
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | et-al wrote:
       | Can someone explain why McAfee had decamped to Belize in the
       | first place and started a life on the lam?
       | 
       | Wikipedia is surprisingly sparse here.
       | 
       | Edit - in 2012 he was the prime suspect to the killing of his
       | neighbor as mentioned here:
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27609243
        
         | mothsonasloth wrote:
         | He moved to Belize to "experiment" on herbal medicines to
         | affect the micro-biology of the human body.
         | 
         | Guess Belize are lax on experiments and "labs"
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee#After_McAfee_Assoc...
        
         | duskwuff wrote:
         | > Can someone explain why McAfee had decamped to Belize in the
         | first place and started a life on the lam?
         | 
         | Drugs.
         | 
         | https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2016/09/the-obscure-legal-dr...
        
       | pjettter wrote:
       | Hard to beat "a colorful life until seventy five". Looking
       | forward to the facts, the movie. I don't want to judge. A person
       | can be many things. A hero. A myth. A criminal. I mean,
       | hyphthetically speaking. Many dimensions. But I guess in "our"
       | society, one is judged after a single thing. One dimension. An
       | open ended movie where you have to make up your own mind would be
       | great. RIP
        
       | gkoberger wrote:
       | I feel like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting he
       | likely killed his neighbor in 2012 and has been on the run since.
       | 
       | I mean, sure he built some antivirus software a few decades ago,
       | but I don't think he deserves the eulogies he's getting here.
       | He's not tech's Hunter S. Thompson; he's a murderer who spent the
       | last years of his life screwing over people with crypto scams.
        
         | res0nat0r wrote:
         | Folks want to make him out as a nerd/tech hero and pretend all
         | of the downward spiral stuff that he did never happened just to
         | keep their conscience clean.
        
         | masklinn wrote:
         | > I mean, sure he built some antivirus software a few decades
         | ago, but I don't think he deserves the eulogies he's getting
         | here.
         | 
         | Surely having built an antivirus us corroborating evidence of
         | evil intent?
         | 
         | I find it unlikely that the product he created less damage to
         | computers and user productivity than what it protected them
         | from, especially in the last 15 years or do.
        
           | babypuncher wrote:
           | The court of public opinion does not operate on the same
           | rules as a court of law.
           | 
           | Most people still believe OJ "did it" even though he was
           | found innocent. In a just judicial system, the accused must
           | be proven guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt", but the general
           | public are not beholden to such stringent requirements.
           | People are allowed to evaluate the available evidence and
           | come to their own conclusions. In the case of John McAfee,
           | that evidence is pretty damning, and he's done nothing to
           | temper its persuasion.
        
         | uncletammy wrote:
         | > I feel like a lot of people in this thread are forgetting he
         | likely killed his neighbor in 2012 and has been on the run
         | since.
         | 
         | In America, we're supposed to be considered innocent until
         | proven guilty. It's a shame it really only takes an accusation.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | drunkpotato wrote:
           | The legal standard for guilt in a criminal trial is "guilty
           | beyond a reasonable doubt." There is a lot of room between
           | "likely" and that very high standard. It is perfectly
           | consistent to think someone more likely committed a murder
           | than didn't, yet still have a reasonable doubt. So I really
           | don't think there's any shame here.
        
           | gkoberger wrote:
           | He was found guilty in civil court in Florida and forced to
           | pay $25M; he never stood trial because he fled.
           | 
           | Also, presumption of innocence applies to the law, not to HN
           | comments.
        
             | CheezeIt wrote:
             | He wasn't "found guilty," it was a default judgement.
        
             | beart wrote:
             | One cannot be found guilty in a civil trial.
        
           | cortesoft wrote:
           | If you flee the country to avoid being tried in court, we are
           | just supposed to say "Oh well, guess you are innocent
           | forever"?
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | chris11 wrote:
           | > we're supposed to be considered innocent until proven
           | guilty.
           | 
           | The legal system should presume innocence. It's completely
           | reasonable for people have lower standards for assuming
           | guilt.
        
             | colordrops wrote:
             | In general yes, but it takes on a different form when the
             | person is an eccentric that has very publicly challenged
             | powerful authorities and has been both the source and
             | target of disinformation campaigns.
        
               | twelve40 wrote:
               | I enjoyed following the guy's adventures (if/when it
               | didn't involve killing people), but what on earth might
               | attract powerful authorities that would go as far as
               | killing him in a Western jail? He's not Epstein and
               | mostly posted fantasies and various minor scams.
        
               | chris11 wrote:
               | He was accused of making bath salts, and he was reported
               | to be involved with prostitutes and much younger women.
               | His reported statements seem to confirm that, not deny
               | that.
               | 
               | I probably won't describe someone as evil for committing
               | victimless crimes. But MPDV is a hard drug that's
               | connected to serious, graphic crimes. I believe he was
               | involved with trafficked women in third-party countries,
               | that's rape. So I easily believe both the murder and rape
               | accusations.
        
           | morelisp wrote:
           | 1) Presumption of innocence applies only in court which
           | McAfee purposefully avoided.
           | 
           | 2) He was found guilty in civil court.
           | 
           | 3) If he wanted to be judged by American standards he
           | should've perhaps stayed in America.
           | 
           | 4) You're acting like accusations of torturing and murdering
           | your (yes actually dead) neighbor happen regularly to random
           | people. Cancel culture, amirite?
        
           | mikestew wrote:
           | "Innocent until proven guilty" is for the courts, who hold
           | sway over one's freedom. It is perfectly acceptable as an
           | individual to go, "yeah, he probably (because I, as an
           | individual, aren't held to a 'reasonable doubt' standard,
           | either) did it" just as it is perfectly acceptable to give
           | some benefit of the doubt.
           | 
           | But as others have already pointed out, a court already found
           | him guilty, and it's moot anyway.
        
             | SllX wrote:
             | It's not just a legal standard, it's a fair minded
             | principled default. If you have information that didn't
             | make it to trial or that is not legally actionable, you can
             | make up your own mind. If you saw everything the Jury saw
             | and nothing they didn't see, and still would have voted
             | differently, fine.
             | 
             | Innocent until proven guilty is an admission to your own
             | flaws in judging another person. You can live life without
             | that admission, but they are still present within you.
        
           | InitialLastName wrote:
           | He was found guilty in a civil suit, and has been actively
           | avoiding a criminal trial.
           | 
           | "Likely" is a fully appropriate term, since all evidence
           | points to that being the case, but (as you say) there has
           | been no trial to subject that thesis to evidence.
        
             | prvc wrote:
             | "Likely" != "in my opinion"
        
             | beart wrote:
             | Civil trials do not determine guilt or innocence
        
               | InitialLastName wrote:
               | Nor can internet comments deprive people of material
               | rights, so we're in the clear!
        
           | devwastaken wrote:
           | Court of law has rules on what evidence can be brought in.
           | Courts are not the arbiter of justice, they're a system of
           | justice that has flaws and errors.
        
         | colordrops wrote:
         | Was he convincted of murder, or are you acting as the judge and
         | jury based on third hand media reports?
        
           | duskwuff wrote:
           | He was never tried, because he fled to Guatemala to avoid
           | prosecution, then faked a heart attack to delay his
           | extradition.
        
           | babypuncher wrote:
           | People aren't automatically innocent in the eyes of the
           | public just because they successfully avoid seeing a trial
           | for nearly a decade by fleeing the country they are wanted
           | in. McAfee's behavior surrounding the charges does absolutely
           | nothing to help his perception.
           | 
           | "Innocent until proven guilty" is really only applicable in
           | the context of formal judicial punishment. Absent formal
           | judicial proceedings, it is completely fair for people to
           | draw their own conclusions from the available evidence.
           | 
           | Even when a court of law does come to a conclusion, it does
           | not mean public opinion is required to agree with that
           | finding (i.e. that time OJ Simpson killed a person)
        
             | kyleee wrote:
             | *two people
        
             | jmkni wrote:
             | > People aren't automatically innocent in the eyes of the
             | public just because they successfully avoid seeing a trial
             | for nearly a decade by fleeing the country they are wanted
             | in
             | 
             | It's weird how many on HN have this attitude to McAfee, but
             | not to Assange.
        
               | breakfastduck wrote:
               | I don't think Assange is a fair comparison.
               | 
               | He has influenced the world in much more significant
               | ways.
        
               | babypuncher wrote:
               | That is strange, I always saw both figures as being
               | popular among the *ahem* _politicized conspiracy
               | theorist_ crowd that has become so prevalent online in
               | the last 5-6 years.
        
               | xtracto wrote:
               | All these pro/against witch-hunts remind me of Hans
               | Reiser [short] episode. When the Reiser saga was
               | unfolding, there was _a lot_ of support from people that
               | identified with the  "nerd" group. I remember reading so
               | many theories on why "he couldn't have done it", how "it
               | is completely normal to remove the passenger sit form
               | your car", or to buy books on how to clean a crime
               | scene...
               | 
               | Not saying I sway one way or another with Assange or
               | McCafee... just that, as in Reiser's case, I am sure
               | there's so much information we don't know that running to
               | make an armchair judgement is most likely bound to get
               | you to the wrong conclusion.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | anigbrowl wrote:
           | There was a whole civil case about it in the US. So while
           | that doesn't prove he committed murder beyond a reasonable
           | doubt, it means the preponderance of the evidence suggests he
           | did.
        
           | dfsegoat wrote:
           | It is a very small community where this happened (San Pedro,
           | BZ). I'm all for due process, but it was basically an open
           | secret.
           | 
           | source: my parents live in the town where it happened.
        
             | symlinkk wrote:
             | > I'm all for due process, but...
             | 
             | Then you're not for due process
        
         | ssully wrote:
         | I am hoping it's a case of people just being ignorant of his
         | life after exiting the software world. The guy left a pretty
         | horrible path of destruction. Hope his victims have some small
         | amount of closure from this, because they won't be getting it
         | from the legal system anymore.
        
         | godmode2019 wrote:
         | You are stating something as fact, something that happened in
         | another country. You are so well informed you watched a
         | documentary and read some news articles.
         | 
         | He ran for US president in the last few races. How was he on
         | the run.
        
           | duskwuff wrote:
           | > He ran for US president
           | 
           | With a campaign slogan of "Don't Vote McAfee". And he failed
           | to win the Libertarian nomination in either 2016 or 2020 --
           | he barely even placed in the 2020 nomination, winning a grand
           | total of two write-in votes (out of over a thousand).
           | 
           | This was never a serious campaign. It was a publicity stunt.
           | 
           | > How was he on the run.
           | 
           | He conducted his "campaign" from a boat in the Caribbean, and
           | described himself as "in exile".
           | 
           | https://www.cnet.com/news/john-mcafee-says-he-has-
           | recruited-...
        
           | dang wrote:
           | Personal attacks like this and
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27363797 will get you
           | banned here. Please make your substantive points
           | thoughtfully.
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
           | nwsm wrote:
           | What do you mean how was he on the run? He (likely) killed
           | himself to avoid extradition
        
           | lotsofpulp wrote:
           | Was he not running away and hiding from various countries'
           | authorities? Are all the articles making it up?
        
           | jjulius wrote:
           | >McAfee announced via Twitter that he would be continuing his
           | campaign "in exile", following reports that he, his wife, and
           | four of his campaign staff were being indicted for tax-
           | related felonies by the IRS. McAfee indicated that he was in
           | "international waters", and had previously tweeted that he
           | was on his way to Venezuela. The IRS has not commented on the
           | alleged indictments. On June 29, McAfee tweeted that his
           | campaign headquarters had been relocated to Havana, Cuba.
           | 
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee_2020_presidential_.
           | ..
        
         | chpmrc wrote:
         | > he _likely_ killed his neighbor
         | 
         | > he's a murderer who spent the last years of his life screwing
         | over people with crypto scams
         | 
         | Well, that escalated quickly.
        
         | nodesocket wrote:
         | Here in America we have something called innocent until proven
         | guilty.
        
           | bingidingi wrote:
           | "Innocent until proven guilty" does not mean "Abandon
           | critical thought until a judge tells you otherwise" -- this
           | guy caught himself up in crimes literally everywhere he
           | went... and this was after fleeing from a $25m judgement
           | against him.
           | 
           | It seems a bit daft to think "gee, he probably did nothing
           | wrong" simply because of how the American legal system is
           | designed.
        
             | babypuncher wrote:
             | > It seems a bit daft to think "gee, he probably did
             | nothing wrong" simply because of how the American legal
             | system is designed.
             | 
             | It's worse than that. People are saying "gee, he probably
             | did nothing wrong" simply because he avoided seeing any
             | trial by fleeing the countries he is wanted in.
        
           | handrous wrote:
           | It is absurd to apply that to individual, or even social,
           | judgement. We don't actually pretend to be ignorant and blind
           | of a person's probable or apparent misdeeds if they haven't
           | been proven in a court of law, nor should we. If, for
           | instance, I notice a couple small, expensive items go missing
           | each time my cousin visits, I'm not going to say "oh well,
           | better not tell anyone else he's probably a thief and I'd
           | better keep inviting him over and leaving him unattended,
           | innocent until proven guilty in a court of law after all".
           | That'd be silly, and acting that way to such an absolute
           | adherence to that principle would be downright anti-social.
           | If he's later convicted and my family finds out I'd noticed
           | years ago, but not warned them because he hadn't been
           | convicted yet, and so he stole things from them because I
           | didn't warn them, they'd _justly_ be pissed off at me.
           | 
           | Or, what, are we suddenly not allowed to judge people's
           | apparent behavior & deeds as soon as they're criminal, but
           | free to before that? That doesn't make much sense either. But
           | clearly we _can_ form and share judgements about behavior
           | that 's not criminal, and that's fine. If it gets too
           | serious, though, then we have to stop unless a conviction
           | occurs? Huh?
        
             | whydoyoucare wrote:
             | You shouldn't discount the possibility that your kid has
             | been stealing from you all along, making things disappear
             | when your cousin visited everytime to throw suspicion on
             | him. ;-)
             | 
             | (Allright, I'm just trying to lighten the mood).
        
               | handrous wrote:
               | You're absolutely right about this. Future-supervillain
               | children framing others for their crimes must never be
               | discounted when attempting to explain any phenomenon.
               | That's just basic household safety. :-)
        
         | alphabetting wrote:
         | The Gringo documentary was damning.
        
           | joshmn wrote:
           | IMDB[0] for those wondering.
           | 
           | [0] https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6071534/
        
             | prvc wrote:
             | The existence itself of that movie demonstrates that many
             | parties had it in for him.
        
               | syncsynchalt wrote:
               | Much as the existence of The History Channel demonstrates
               | a smear campaign against the third reich, I suppose.
        
               | celticninja wrote:
               | Well we should probably take into account that the
               | programme was made for entertainment purposes and not as
               | evidence as part of a trial. Much in the same way that
               | reality TV is edited to make it more entertaining, this
               | was probably produced in such a way to emphasize
               | outrageous behaviour and the truth would have been less
               | important.
        
               | aaron695 wrote:
               | Hard to know how Ancient Aliens on the History channel
               | fits into this.
               | 
               | Documentaries like money?
        
               | camel_Snake wrote:
               | I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.
        
               | babypuncher wrote:
               | This is not uncommon when you are both a notorious
               | asshole and wealthy enough to make it a problem for
               | everyone else
        
               | [deleted]
        
       | alfiedotwtf wrote:
       | Say what you want about him, he lived a life that should inspire
       | a lot of people in today's Instagram world... he did whatever
       | entertained him while not caring what other people thought of
       | him. Something mostly lost these days.
       | 
       | I can't wait for the movie.
        
       | TazeTSchnitzel wrote:
       | Given his recent history, I suppose he probably tried to break
       | out of jail and failed?
        
       | hownottowrite wrote:
       | When is he getting a black bar?
        
       | underseacables wrote:
       | End of an era. What a shame.
        
       | beebeepka wrote:
       | Just like that Epstein guy killed himself
        
         | moralestapia wrote:
         | Funny you get downvoted for stating the truth :^)
        
           | beebeepka wrote:
           | One man's truth is another man's uncomfortable thought. Can't
           | have that
        
         | Krasnol wrote:
         | I doubt anybody in Spain or the US was afraid of what he could
         | say.
         | 
         | So no...not just like it at all.
        
           | beebeepka wrote:
           | Surely you are not implying countries don't ever orchestrate
           | such things.
        
             | AnimalMuppet wrote:
             | They usually don't without being afraid of what the person
             | can say, no.
        
           | tzone wrote:
           | McAfee could easily have had plenty of dirt on ton of
           | powerful people. He would have given up all that info for
           | reducing his sentence in the US.
           | 
           | It is not super crazy to think that there would be plenty of
           | people who would have rather see him die vs get extradited to
           | US.
        
       | motohagiography wrote:
       | I didn't know him at all, but felt there was something I
       | recognized and understood about what he was saying. If you must
       | burn, burn bright. It looked like a great ride.
       | 
       | This video of him playing piano is what I think he wanted people
       | to know:
       | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/136205988701080781...
        
         | shaicoleman wrote:
         | Better quality link:
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsIGKxvrG0E
        
         | casi18 wrote:
         | thanks for that video. i found myself so quick to judge, though
         | i know very little about him. but seeing someone play music
         | makes them human again. it seems he did burn bright. some
         | people cant help but push up against the edges of existence.
         | rip.
        
       | maverick-iceman wrote:
       | Any international criminal law expert here?
       | 
       | Why can the US arrest everybody in Europe but the colony of
       | fraudsters living in St.Kitts&Nevis (among them Paul Bilzerian)
       | is untouchable?
        
         | AdamN wrote:
         | Tax evasion (IRS) is much more serious than a securities crime
         | (SEC). Also, he did go to jail for some time.
        
         | DFHippie wrote:
         | Admittedly I haven't looked into this at all, but the likely
         | answer is extradition treaties.
        
       | voldacar wrote:
       | What an incredible life.
       | 
       | Annoying antivirus creator, Belizean designer drug producer (and
       | possibly murderer), bitcoin enthusiast, international outlaw,
       | possible creator of the LSJ island drone videos...
       | 
       | I never really interacted with him but I will miss him all the
       | same
        
       | mymanz wrote:
       | We need a black bar to salute this man.
        
         | lastofthemojito wrote:
         | He'd probably prefer a powdery white line.
        
       | doggodaddo78 wrote:
       | Never speak ill of the dead, unless it's the truth.. seems like a
       | final, fatalist drama move. Always with the drama for attention:
       | guns, police, random projects, extreme this or that, vaporware
       | never delivered, moving around a lot like a psychopath.. while
       | light on the getting anything real accomplished other than
       | staying in the media. Sigh.
        
       | vaer-k wrote:
       | So which kind of suicide is this? A suicide, or a "suicide"?
        
         | kyleee wrote:
         | That's the fun - you decide!
        
       | TX0098812 wrote:
       | Spanish prisons are apparently among the worst in Europe
       | according to some documentary I saw. I wonder if there's a
       | connection.
        
         | alfonsodev wrote:
         | At least Mcafee said Spanish prisons are like Hilton in
         | comparison to USA ones[1], do you have the documentary name,
         | it's the one about Norway prisons? Just curious.
         | 
         | [1]
         | https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9718567/amp/Antivir...
        
       | mrtksn wrote:
       | There were serious allegations of murder and serious corruption.
       | I'm conflicted on how to feel about this. Probably would have
       | preferred seeing him convicted or vindicated, definitely not
       | dead.
        
       | runbathtime wrote:
       | Maybe he was killed for his bitcoin/crypto? Is it a possibility?
       | How can we know if it was suicide or murder?
        
       | jug wrote:
       | I'm sadder about this than I expected. :-(
       | 
       | He was most likely a drug abusing criminal. But what a special
       | mind to lose.
        
       | balls187 wrote:
       | No black band for McAfee?
        
         | kyleee wrote:
         | He probably deserves it for his tech contributions, but
         | unlikely in this day and age due to the sordid nature of his
         | final few decades
        
           | anonytrary wrote:
           | We should make a conscious effort to avoid this thinking.
           | It's way too common for people to dismiss a brilliant man
           | because of a few bad deeds or events that happened
           | surrounding him. Genius is rarely accompanied by butterflies
           | and rainbows. If we expect everyone to be perfect, there will
           | be no one left worth respecting.
        
           | balls187 wrote:
           | I created an HN poll asking the community their thoughts.
        
       | agiamas wrote:
       | RIP John, the world will miss you. You surely lived a full life.
        
       | boba7 wrote:
       | Americans murdered him because he refused to help them spy on
       | everyone with his software like other western companies do?
        
         | babypuncher wrote:
         | This might be the dumbest McAfee conspiracy theory yet.
        
         | gbear605 wrote:
         | He hasn't run any software since 1994 - if he had any power, it
         | was only secrets held in his mind.
        
         | maverwa wrote:
         | It has not been "his software" for more than a decade now. He
         | sold to Intel in 2010/2011.
        
       | tamaharbor wrote:
       | Nevertheless, a man is dead. May he Rest In Peace.
        
       | patfla wrote:
       | Watched about 20 minutes of Gringo before I got tired of it and
       | turned it off.
       | 
       | Sounds like a textbook case of what can happen if you take a very
       | bright person and then give them a sudden windfall of success.
       | That is, derangement. He or she doesn't stop being smart and even
       | charismatic and so on.
       | 
       | One question always is: what's the next act? No next act and the
       | propensity to derangement goes up.
        
         | rchaud wrote:
         | > what's the next act?
         | 
         | Very hard question to answer for those who got rich early, ,
         | lived fast, but now are out of the game and direction-less.
         | 
         | A lot of pro athletes suffer depression after retirement
         | because of the absence of the daily routine. You have a
         | lifetime of empty hours left to fill. Some are fortunate and
         | have a network of friends and family to provide companionship
         | and support. Others don't and try to fill the void with sex and
         | drugs. But that just conceals the fundamental emptiness. It's
         | still there, and will reveal itself the second you come down.
        
       | cwkoss wrote:
       | Jena Friedman did a great interview with him back in 2018. Kind
       | of a Nathan for You vibe to it.
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfe4Fjf3sds
        
       | prvc wrote:
       | Just because someone lived a colorful life does not mean that it
       | is appropriate to inundate the forum with gossip and slander when
       | misfortune befalls him. I believe a little respect is in order.
       | RIP.
        
       | enriquto wrote:
       | One of his last messages, just a few days ago. It is sad and
       | thoughtful:
       | 
       |  _There is much sorrow in prison, disguised as hostility.
       | 
       | The sorrow is plainly visible even in the most angry faces.
       | 
       | I'm old and content with food and a bed but for the young prison
       | is a horror - a reflection of the minds of those who conceived
       | them._
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/140301918407478887...
        
         | azureel wrote:
         | Also this tweet is interesting.
         | 
         | https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/131680121508322509...
         | 
         | May he rest in peace.
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Thats not interesting when its 9 months in advance
           | 
           | Maybe a few weeks
           | 
           | People arent just able to make a perpetual conspiracy
           | indefinitely in the future, or you dont have to entertain
           | people trying to do that
           | 
           | I wont here
           | 
           | He has increasingly depressing messages in an increasingly
           | dimmed outlook and an increasing time in prison
        
       | MyKneeGrows wrote:
       | Another one of my street pharmacist brothers bites the dust. Pour
       | one out for our fallen homie.
       | 
       | All because he dared to be human.
        
       | virgulino wrote:
       | There was a time when I wouldn't leave home without a 5 1/4-inch,
       | 1.2 MB, write-protected MS-DOS boot floppy with my trusty McAfee
       | anti-virus, SCAN.EXE.
       | 
       | I helped many people with just that.
       | 
       | It was my first contact with shareware too.
       | 
       | Thanks, John.
        
       | pdimitar wrote:
       | Never followed his story but the translated article on NyPost
       | only mentions his cryptocurrency pump and dump scheme.
       | 
       | Which naturally leads me to the question, why was McAffee pursued
       | for this all the way to Europe but Elon Musk isn't even
       | investigated while millions watched him do the same?
       | 
       | I am not loading this politically at all. I am not from the US
       | and I am mostly apathetic to celebrities. But I am genuinely
       | curious why is it OK for one guy to do it and very illegal for
       | another one doing the same?
        
         | Barrin92 wrote:
         | Musk was fined 40 million for his stock tweets but I don't
         | think he technically ever engaged in any crypto pump and dump
         | because I don't think he ever actually held (or dumped) any
         | crypto. I assume you have to actually financially benefit from
         | such a scheme to commit some sort of crime. Otherwise you're
         | basically just shitposting about crypto.
        
           | jfrunyon wrote:
           | Did you miss the "Tesla buys billions of USD in bitcoin"
           | headlines? Along with the "will accept payment in BTC" pump
           | and "never mind, selling" dump?
        
             | Barrin92 wrote:
             | did they actually dump their bitcoin? If yes I'd agree that
             | it deserves attention but I don't think that's the case.
             | Probably for that reason Elon actually posted in May or
             | whatever that they have not sold their coins.
             | 
             | Unless you can show that he actually mislead users for
             | financial gain I don't think you're going to get
             | authorities involved.
        
               | mywittyname wrote:
               | I think he's pumping crypto in order to pump Telsa stock
               | price. If Telsa falls out of the S&P500, it will probably
               | descend into a death spiral.
               | 
               | Musk claims that Telsa never sold any of their bitcoins
               | before the price collapsed when he reversed course on
               | BTC, but who the hell really knows at this point?
        
               | rurp wrote:
               | Well technically Musk said "Tesla will not be selling any
               | Bitcoin" when the policy change was announced. I haven't
               | seen anything where he claims he didn't sell _before_ the
               | change was announced.
               | 
               | I have no idea if he dumped his Bitcoin before announcing
               | the change at Tesla, but misleading a bunch of people
               | while leaving himself a technicality escape hatch would
               | be extremely on brand for him.
        
               | jfrunyon wrote:
               | Hmm I thought they had but apparently that was just the
               | news being the news. (Although I'll note that Elon has
               | lied on Twitter plenty of times before :) )
               | 
               | Either way, he has certainly gained financially from
               | boosting Tesla's stock, which lying about crypto is part
               | of...
        
               | hnra wrote:
               | Tesla sold bitcoin before their last quarterly report.
               | They were about to underperform but thankfully their BTC
               | announcement made sure they could dump and then beat
               | earnings instead.
               | 
               | Weirdly, they announced they would no longer accept BTC
               | (on grounds known for years) right after they dumped.
        
               | toast42 wrote:
               | https://www.coindesk.com/tesla-sold-bitcoin-in-q1-for-
               | procee...
               | 
               | This was very easy to find, and makes me question your
               | position that you weren't aware of it.
        
               | Barrin92 wrote:
               | that sale appears to have taken place before any of the
               | communication, so that can't have been part of any
               | pump&dump scheme either.
        
         | watwut wrote:
         | Because Elon Musk is significantly more sane and did not
         | actually done very same thing. Having enough sanity to keep you
         | schemes just on the safer side help. He is also not accused of
         | rape and murder both of which make law enforcement look more
         | closely on you in general.
         | 
         | Also, Musk is rich and powerful right now. That alone makes it
         | harder to go after him as he will pay for better justice.
         | McAffee is not that powerful.
        
         | jfrunyon wrote:
         | Because (according to the allegations) McAfee didn't pay the
         | tax man.
        
           | sschueller wrote:
           | Neither do Musk, Bezos, Soros etc. They just manage to get
           | away with it. I guess McAfee was just not rich enough and
           | didn't have the right tax attorney.
        
             | DFHippie wrote:
             | There's a difference between legally paying no taxes
             | despite being rich and illegally paying no taxes. The tax
             | laws need to be reformed, but that's a separate issue.
        
             | xtracto wrote:
             | In Spanish we use two terms, what McAfee presumably did was
             | "evasion"(evasion) which is illegal while what Musk,Bezos,
             | et al. do is "elusion" (avoidance) which is totally legal.
             | 
             | The trick is in knowing how to do Tax Avoidance.
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | He also said he would eat is own anatomy regarding bitcoin
         | price.. I guess this bet is gonna happen in another dimension.
        
           | C19is20 wrote:
           | Doctor, doctor, my anatomy hurts?
        
       | NakamotoSatoshi wrote:
       | Respect where it's due.
        
       | KVFinn wrote:
       | Was just reading about McAfee freebasing bath salts from old
       | posts on an old Joe Rogan forum and not paying taxes seems like
       | the absolute least he was up to:
       | 
       | >I've processed 23 kilos of this stuff in the past year or so,
       | and bump it myself every day - in fair quantities the
       | hypersexuality... is beyond belief. I have had a number of
       | acquaintances (both male and female) who have rubbed their
       | genitals way past the point of bleeding and still couldn't stop.
       | 
       | >In all honesty, a first time user, or a user on a large dose,
       | when presented with food, will simply figure out a way to include
       | it in the ongoing sex play with their partner. If alone, they
       | will figure out a way to fuck it, or shove it up their rectum.
       | This is not a joke. Everything on the Tan becomes a sex partner
       | or a sex aid. If only visually. I will not, anymore, let anyone
       | on Tan be alone with my dogs for example.
       | 
       | >A local brothel owner (prostitution is legal in my country)
       | talked me out of a large amount of Tan and provides it to his
       | working girls and their customers. The idea was to simply
       | increase business by having hornier customers and more authentic
       | product. It worked for a while, and then girls started taking
       | larger doses and giving customers larger doses. They began
       | leaving and running off with customers - some after a single
       | contact with the customer.
       | 
       | >If a person takes a large dose of the Tan and has the misfortune
       | to have no partner at the time, then truly terrible things
       | happen. A number of men, and women, have molested strangers after
       | massive doses of the pure product (which is why I no longer
       | provide it to anyone other than trusted friends - everything else
       | is cut 50 to one). Twice, users on large doses have tried to
       | molest my dogs.
       | 
       | >I have distributed over 3,000 doses exclusively in this country.
       | They call it SPT (I named it) and it is a seriously hot
       | underground topic here. I know of at least a dozen people who
       | spend virtually full time playing with this, and hundreds trying
       | to get samples, which I dole out with meticulous care. Anyone
       | caught sharing this with another without my consent doesn't get
       | any more.
       | 
       | https://www.resetera.com/threads/john-mcafee-this-might-be-t...
        
       | CryptoPunk wrote:
       | Abolishing taxes on movable private property, in favor of a tax
       | on land ownership, would solve this.
       | 
       | No one would be persecuted internationally because they refused
       | to surrender their privacy and property in filing an income tax
       | return and fulfilling the payment obligations imposed on them,
       | respectively. To enforce a land tax is straightforward: you don't
       | pay the tax, you are evicted from the land, and lose your rights
       | over it. Who owns what land is also always known, by virtue of
       | the fact that registry of a land title with the government is a
       | prerequisite of owning land.
       | 
       | Economists also consider it "the perfect tax":
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_value_tax
        
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