[HN Gopher] A man whose software ate the world
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       A man whose software ate the world
        
       Author : jger15
       Score  : 61 points
       Date   : 2021-06-25 18:08 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | visualradio wrote:
       | "All of Europe had been what you were describing for 300 years or
       | so. But by the time the US came along, that spirit was starting
       | to fade. So what they did quite literally was put all their money
       | in the US. The way JP Morgan got established was that his father
       | Junius Morgan ran the leading merchant bank in London, and then
       | set up his son Pierpont to run a correspondent bank in New York,
       | and the two of them basically funneled money from the UK to the
       | US to build everything in what was known as the Second Industrial
       | Revolution."
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       | The money was not as important as the workers, thinkers, raw
       | materials. The prior civil war era was a period of massive
       | industrial output, despite the government simply throwing legal
       | tender into circulation without obtaining gold from Europe, and
       | the destruction of huge quantities of wealth in the war. The
       | railroads and war effort required business to organize the
       | transportation and production of large quantities of material
       | wealth which lead to a greater focus on industrial profits,
       | rather than hollow financial profits from real estate
       | speculation. The later form of investment is 'hollow' because the
       | procedure is a M -> M' paper gain which does not produce any
       | material goods or fixed capital as a side effect.
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       | European investors had been investing money in America since
       | 1600s, primarily to engage in real estate speculation on western
       | lands, what was important in industrialization is that there was
       | a shift in investment from real estate speculation to industrial
       | development. The driver of the shift was industrialists like
       | Andrew Carnegie who were involved in the war effort.
       | 
       | To promote industrial investment without militarism it's
       | primarily a matter of reducing large after-tax total returns and
       | access to credit for financial speculators obtaining hollow M ->
       | M' gains relative to industrial investors.
        
         | bsedlm wrote:
         | > European investors had been investing money in America since
         | 1600s,
         | 
         | I belive that during the 17th century they were investing money
         | in trips to America and back. Nothing of much was being left in
         | america beyond what was necessary to exploit the land.
        
       | blueyes wrote:
       | Couple interesting ideas and terms here:
       | 
       | * "vetocracy" - the rule of those who say no. Andreessen says it
       | contributed to IBM's obsolescence. Happening now to the USA.
       | 
       | * Related to: Why don't we solve carbon emissions with nuclear
       | fission? Totally fair question.
       | 
       | * The Internet saved the economy during the COVID lockdowns. (I
       | think that's pretty plausible.)
        
         | adolph wrote:
         | I think "vetocracy" may be related to Taleb's idea that "The
         | Most Intolerant Wins: The Dictatorship of the Small Minority"
         | 
         | https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dict...
        
       | wankerrific wrote:
       | A great read of a man getting high huffing his own farts -- like
       | all of our billionaire overlords.
        
         | emteycz wrote:
         | I don't want to dismiss your feelings - could you please
         | explain why do you feel like there are some "billionaire
         | overlords" over you? I personally never ever felt anything
         | close to that, so I'd like to understand where is that coming
         | from. As I see it, nobody is forcing me to do anything and I am
         | met with _great_ opportunities nearly daily.
        
       | breck wrote:
       | Mind expanding read.
       | 
       | Tangent. Made me want to read Around the World in Eighty Days.
       | Here's a public domain ePub version:
       | 
       | https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/103
        
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       | morelisp wrote:
       | Watch carefully as the paragraph beginning with a semi-reasonable
       | assertion that "the notion of scientific objectivity [has]
       | existed for a very short window of time" goes all the way to the
       | batshit "rule of law... emerged in the wake of our post-
       | Enlightenment textual explosion."
       | 
       | What fucking charlatans.
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | > _running something like Netscape 3.x while watching the
       | 'throbber'--a looping, pixelated animation of a planet-straddling
       | 'N' getting hit with a meteor shower_
       | 
       | Trivia (but maybe relevant to HN): I believe the reason it was
       | called a "throbber" was from the throbbing "N" [1] with which
       | Netscape Navigator replaced NCSA Mosaic's cool spinning globe.[2]
       | 
       | I always thought that the throbbing N seemed like a placeholder.
       | I vaguely recall JWZ later having a collection of
       | throbbers/spinners for Navigator.
       | 
       | [1] http://www.andrewturnbull.net/nscape1.html
       | 
       | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m97sLnauJ78?t=2m10s
        
       | okareaman wrote:
       | America can build nuclear power plants and high speed trains but
       | we choose to do it in a responsible way or not at all if a better
       | idea comes along. The Chinese govt can seize all the land they
       | want, displace whoever they please and destroy their environment
       | to build things. I don't know anyone excited about a high speed
       | train between Los Angeles and the Bay Area. It's pretty easy to
       | Uber to the airport and hop on a jet to get there quicker. I keep
       | reading Andreessen to find something that expands my thinking but
       | I never find it.
        
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       | simlan wrote:
       | Yeah hard and fast liberalism. Way to go /s off
       | 
       | Started out legit... Covid vaccine in March 20 ? Not even the
       | autocrats of the world dared that prior to evidence.
        
         | fencepost wrote:
         | _Covid vaccine in March 20 ? Not even the autocrats of the
         | world dared that prior to evidence._
         | 
         | If Covid had a higher fatality rate, there's an excellent
         | chance we'd have seen vaccines in accelerated trials as early
         | as March 2020. The vaccines were in existence by around that
         | point[0], but in part because mRNA vaccines are a brand new
         | technology there wasn't as much push to accelerate distribution
         | as there could have been.
         | 
         | If the fatality or long term damage rate was 10x what it is,
         | there'd have been a lot more willingness to "try it NOW."
         | 
         | [0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8071766/ - of
         | note, Moderna had a vaccine prepared 42 days after the spike
         | protein sequence was published on January 10. It took roughly
         | another 6 weeks before that vaccine was being injected in Phase
         | 1 trials in early May.
        
       | f00zz wrote:
       | I read "Around the World in 80 Days" not too long ago, and as I
       | was reading the part where they're crossing the US I had exactly
       | that same thought: the US was the China of the late 19th century.
        
       | narrator wrote:
       | The difference between Clubhouse and Twitter is Twitter has bots.
       | Bots haven't mastered faking speech well enough to disrupt
       | Clubhouse yet.
        
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