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       Show HN: I'm an introvert - made an app to help maintain
       connections with people
        
       Author : binkHN
       Score  : 92 points
       Date   : 2021-06-26 16:01 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | bdcp wrote:
       | Neat. But where in the world do you live that you only need SMS?
       | I'd give it a go if it works with WhatsApp
        
         | barbazoo wrote:
         | Same here. I'd be more interested in the reminder aspect of it
         | without integration with any specific chat app.
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | As a first stab I went with SMS text messages because the
         | functionality is built into the device and the app can easily
         | access the SMS messaging history on the device to make better
         | decisions. I plan to review support for WhatsApp, Facebook
         | Messenger and friends in the future.
        
       | evrenesat wrote:
       | Something related; I wish "Let's chat, call me when you are
       | available" button for Whatsapp,Telegram etc. Or even better,
       | ability to suggest a few time slots to the callee. That might
       | help with not being able to write "hey my friend, I miss you.
       | Let's chat sometime" messages and unable to decide on that
       | "sometime".
       | 
       | An app with SMS/phone calls wouldn't work well for me as most of
       | my friends are in another country so it needs to be VoIP.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | You should change:
       | 
       | > email that'll help you stay in touch with those that mean the
       | most to you
       | 
       | into:
       | 
       | > email that'll help you stay in touch with those _who_ mean the
       | most to you
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | I appreciate the copywrite feedback! Will do!
        
       | szundi wrote:
       | The moment someone realizes you are using this, you may be seen
       | as someone fake. Never let it happen.
        
         | smnrchrds wrote:
         | I never remember people's birthdays, so I have added them to my
         | calendar, and I make sure to message people to wish them a
         | happy birthday when I get the calendar notification. Does this
         | make my happy birthday wishes fake? Should I never let anyone
         | realize I use a calendar?
        
           | asteroidbelt wrote:
           | You may care about someone but forget their birthday exact
           | date one day ahead.
           | 
           | But you care someone and forget to send a message any day
           | during the month? That's not possible, that means you don't
           | really care.
        
       | kseistrup wrote:
       | Disclaimer: I haven't installed the app.
       | 
       | Reading the description and seeing the screendumps I get the
       | impression that the app actually does the messaging for you. For
       | me it would be much more valuable to get a reminder to contact
       | people I love and care about. Time runs so fast, I forget it's
       | been a week or two since I last said hello to that person. With a
       | reminder I would be able to keep in touch with people, yet be the
       | one who actually composes and sends the message.
       | 
       | If I have misunderstood the purpose of the app, please forget
       | this comment.
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | By default, the app will not take any action and largely act as
         | a helpful reminder, and I highly recommend this type of use.
        
           | kseistrup wrote:
           | Thanks!
        
       | dennisy wrote:
       | I am sorry but I really think this is a place where we just don't
       | need "an app for that".
       | 
       | This of course if just my view, but if someone uses this to call
       | me the value of that will be super low.
        
         | tolbish wrote:
         | Stay in touch with those that mean the most to you...by
         | automating your interactions with them with AI!
         | 
         | This is straight out of Silicon Valley.
        
           | sodality2 wrote:
           | >automating your interactions with them with AI
           | 
           | It does not do this- it either notifies you to talk to them
           | if you haven't in a while, or it automatically sends a single
           | message to start a conversation.
           | 
           | Note that I don't necessarily agree with this. I simply have
           | a mental list of friends who I currently am keeping in touch
           | with and every once in a while check up on the ones I haven't
           | spoken to in a few days.
        
           | snet0 wrote:
           | Definitely. I struggle to say this is "peak HN", since HN
           | doesn't like social media in general, but it's definitely
           | something that evolved out of the particular kind of software
           | engineer "optimisation" for productivity that seemingly
           | involves automating the entirety of human existence. I
           | guarantee this idea has been used as a punchline in a TV
           | show.
        
         | kaioelfke wrote:
         | Many people have an entry in their calendar to call their
         | parents and grandparents. It's also about making time for
         | people you care about instead of work and other things taking
         | over.
        
       | neither_color wrote:
       | This is a cool idea. I constantly come across as a dick because a
       | friend will message me, and I'll think about what to respond
       | with, hesitate because I want to come up with the BEST response,
       | then get distracted by another task, forget to text them back
       | until the next day, etc. There are also people I only see every
       | few months and have a blast with, then completely radio silence
       | them for months until I see them again. I really have no idea how
       | to keep up with people.
        
         | neckardt wrote:
         | > I constantly come across as a dick because a friend will
         | message me, and I'll think about what to respond with, hesitate
         | because I want to come up with the BEST response, then get
         | distracted by another task, forget to text them back until the
         | next day, etc.
         | 
         | There are two paradigms I see people use to solve this:
         | 
         | 1. Text back as soon as you see the message and be okay with
         | your response not being optimal. This is what I do the most.
         | 
         | 2. Don't open the app to read the message until you have time
         | to respond, then commit to responding. This way you'll have the
         | message notification reminding you to respond and you don't
         | leave your friend on read.
        
       | HPsquared wrote:
       | I was going to question whether this is really an "AI"
       | application but, given its function - mimicking a human - it
       | literally is artificial intelligence.
        
       | ShaneMcGowan wrote:
       | I can't decided if automated "love you" messages is dystopian af
       | or cute
        
         | brutal_chaos_ wrote:
         | Intent is the distinguishing factor, IMHO. If I'm using this
         | because I really do wish to reach out more, I see no harm. It's
         | like riding a bike to get somewhere, it helps you get where you
         | want to be, just a little faster. If apps start to doing this
         | on their own, because AI, then we've got a problem...
        
           | ShaneMcGowan wrote:
           | Relationship as a Service
        
       | impreciouschild wrote:
       | I think the consequences of being introverted, asocial, hesitant,
       | distracted etc are part of regular interaction. Just because we
       | can be connected with 10k people doesn't mean we should be. We
       | also don't currently have the capacity for broadband bidrectional
       | intimacy. The way parasocial relationships have bloomed is owed
       | to infinite friend lists.
       | 
       | Also, people gravitate towards what is meaningful for them. I
       | think that some people find it meaningful to feel that they're
       | disconnected. I think that loss and disconnection is a part of
       | life, and while I admire efforts to connect, we have limits. I
       | think it's important for those (and this includes myself) who are
       | asocial to acknowledge this aspect of themselves and accept the
       | consequences of their persona.
       | 
       | Last, I think that scripted or automated interactions inherently
       | devalue interactions. A huge part of having relationships lies in
       | the effort to connect. This is why "Welcome to Costco, I love
       | you" is a joke. It also neatly defines the flawed scope of this
       | app. Because of that, I declare that this is a CRM app, not a
       | real life relationship app.
        
       | binkHN wrote:
       | Hello hackers. I wrote the app and I hope it can help others like
       | me.
       | 
       | I'm not very good at keeping in touch with friend and family.
       | Also, my girlfriend likes little text messages here and there,
       | and I'm not good at sending them. So "there's an app for that,"
       | right? No, there actually wasn't. So I made one.
       | 
       | I define the app as a smart device automation tool for text
       | messages, calls and email that'll help you stay in touch.
       | 
       | The story on how the app got started, my eureka moments, repeated
       | failures and a little technical detail is at
       | https://medium.com/@mtc.dev/my-first-android-app-story-331c9....
       | 
       | I'd love some feedback.
       | 
       | Cheers.
        
         | bussiere wrote:
         | Hi i'am interested in a subscription model and if you have time
         | an api to consume the data of the app like since how many time
         | i've contacted someone. Add birthday etc ...
         | 
         | Thanks for your work :)
        
           | binkHN wrote:
           | I will keep this in mind!
        
         | loloquwowndueo wrote:
         | I keep wondering what will happen if your girlfriend realizes
         | "the app is doing it" - maybe explain to her that it's hard for
         | you to send those little messages. I think she'll then
         | appreciate it even more when you do send them.
        
           | binkHN wrote:
           | See my story I posted in the comment!
        
         | xzel wrote:
         | I almost wrote a similar app (but in a much more limited
         | version) to keep up with friends and family but, ironically, as
         | an extrovert. I wanted to have their birthdays and the last
         | time we spoke so I could keep up with them if our contact was
         | slipping. Congrats on launching! I'll take a look at this to
         | see if it fits my use case.
        
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         | nullify88 wrote:
         | Getting a 403 error i'm afraid. I'd love to check it out.
         | 
         | Strangely, refreshing the page after recieving the 403 gets me
         | to the app store. But clicking the HN link always results in an
         | inital 403:/
        
         | mathattack wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing! If you don't mind - has anyone come back
         | to you concerned about automated notes seeming disingenuous?
         | (This could appear like a generic holiday card on what should
         | be a more personal format) From you Medium post it clearly
         | comes from the right place.
         | 
         | Also - if your girlfriend is ok with this, and encourages you
         | to finish the project, she's a keeper.
        
           | binkHN wrote:
           | Yes! There are definitely those that don't see eye to eye
           | with me on this!
           | 
           | Just told my girlfriend your opinion of her ;) !
        
             | mathattack wrote:
             | From personal experience, it will come off better if you
             | ask her rather than wait for the other way around. Even
             | though you're an introvert!
        
         | dstick wrote:
         | Very nice! Congrats on launching. Pro-tip: do not let others
         | know you have or use this. In general people will instantly
         | devalue your outreaches, even though rationally that makes zero
         | sense. You still think and care about them, but in a way
         | that's... you.
        
           | binkHN wrote:
           | Thank you! You might want to check out the story I wrote!
        
           | MiguelHudnandez wrote:
           | It is rational to devalue automatic communication. The
           | birthday card you get from your dentist is not valued.
           | 
           | That said I have lost touch with a lot of friends I care
           | about. The best friends are those you can pick back up
           | without maintenance I think.
        
             | fastball wrote:
             | Right but the bday card from your dentist does not expect a
             | subsequent back and forth.
        
             | riedel wrote:
             | I second that, but follow up reminders and warnings if you
             | are to eager are really helpful, so reframing this app as
             | helper and let people manually edit the messages is much
             | better. I think particularly sentiment analysis on incoming
             | and outgoing messages would be really helpful for many
             | people not so good at casual communication. Maybe the app
             | should start sending automatically if you really cannot
             | decide for an option in order to not let you think too
             | long. I think particularly positive response reinforcement
             | is needed if one manages to keep up communication in
             | symmetrical fashion.
        
               | binkHN wrote:
               | Please know, by default, the app will not take any action
               | and largely act as a helpful reminder, and I highly
               | recommend this type of use.
        
       | neilv wrote:
       | This seems less a tool for introverts, than for sociopaths.
        
       | villgax wrote:
       | @dang, HN url parser for extracting domain is borked. This should
       | have play.google.com
        
       | tomaszs wrote:
       | I think your application is awesome. Also, that some people here
       | in comments are offensive and don't understand really what being
       | an introvert is about.
       | 
       | Your application can help not only introverts, but also people
       | who are isolated, depressed, who struggle to regain social
       | connections after last months.
       | 
       | Thank you for that. You put a lot of effort in the app and it
       | works great. It is one of the best ideas and implementations I
       | have seen in five years.
       | 
       | Congrats again! It is far beyond my imagination how positive
       | impact your project can have for millions of people!
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | Wonderful words of encouragement! Thank you! I realize some
         | people might see this differently, but, at the end of the day,
         | I did what works best for me and felt others could benefit as
         | well.
        
       | imagine99 wrote:
       | Is there a function for this to populate the clipboard with the
       | predefined text and maybe open the messaging program (like
       | Signal, Telegram, Wire, WhatsApp)? This way it could also be used
       | relatively easily with these apps which probably can't be
       | automated like SMS...
        
         | kaioelfke wrote:
         | Not sure about Android, but on iOS some communication apps
         | support this. My app deep links into those.
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | As an initial start I went with SMS text messages because the
         | functionality is built into the device and the app can easily
         | access the SMS messaging history on the device to make better
         | decisions. I plan to review support for WhatsApp, Facebook
         | Messenger and friends in the future.
        
       | nickthemagicman wrote:
       | Did you automate the human connection?
       | 
       | I love it!
        
       | toomuchtodo wrote:
       | Absolutely love it. Does it support birthday, anniversary, and
       | other special date reminders? Consider cribbing off of the Monica
       | friends CRM [1] for inspiration.
       | 
       | Any plans for an iOS version?
       | 
       | [1] https://www.monicahq.com/
        
         | kaioelfke wrote:
         | I made a personal CRM iOS app for myself and others. It
         | supports these features besides special dates, which is on my
         | road map. It's basically a privacy and offline friendly UI
         | around a SQLite db.
         | 
         | https://amicu.app/
        
           | fergbrain wrote:
           | This is beyond awesome! Downloading now!
        
             | kaioelfke wrote:
             | Thank you! If you've feedback you can reach me at
             | @kaioelfke on Twitter or kai@amicu.app
        
         | Dave_TRS wrote:
         | +1 I would love this app if it did birthdays. I like sending
         | texts, not FB messages, but it's a pain to check Facebook to
         | see who's birthday it is and then find them in my address book.
         | I'd love to sit down once and manually create a list of
         | everyone I want to send a birthday text do, and then have this
         | app either auto-send or notify me with a button to launch a
         | blank text I can type to the person
        
           | kaioelfke wrote:
           | I use my app for birthdays like that. There's a button that
           | opens the conversation in whatever app I use for this person
           | (WhatsApp, Telegram, Email, ...).
           | 
           | It's definitely good to maintain your own contact data
           | somewhere. People delete FB accounts and FB changes all the
           | time. They used to have APIs for birthdays, but they're gone.
           | So there's no control unless you own the data.
        
             | [deleted]
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | Thanks! I specifically left date reminders out as I felt these
         | were better handled by a calendar. I have not heard about
         | Monica, but will check it out. As for iOS, not anytime soon;
         | Google is very restrictive when it comes to text messaging and
         | calls and Apple is even more so.
        
       | ogwh wrote:
       | This doesn't help you maintain connections with people, it's
       | emotional forgery and anyone caught using something like this
       | will find their "connections" evaporate instantly.
       | 
       | If you want to maintain connections with people put the effort
       | in, that's the substance of the connection in the first place. If
       | you don't, then don't.
       | 
       | People want to feel like they matter to you, so you contacting
       | them shows that you care about them and fulfills that need. This
       | app is a betrayal of that.
       | 
       | Is this connected to an article from The Onion or something? A
       | joke?
        
         | bobiny wrote:
         | By caught do you mean somebody sifting through your unlocked
         | phone?
        
           | unixfg wrote:
           | If one of the edge cases the author mentions pops up they
           | could deduce from the context of the message that you didn't
           | personally send it at that moment. Short of lying about it
           | and claiming it must have been slow to arrive, I'd say you
           | were caught.
        
             | alisonkisk wrote:
             | "I use a program to send messages at a programmed time"
        
         | snet0 wrote:
         | I came to this thread earlier and thought I'd taken crazy
         | pills, so I'd check back later. Not a single non-positive
         | comment.
         | 
         | People who use this or think this is a good thing have
         | fundamentally misunderstood social interaction. Your girlfriend
         | doesn't want the signal that you care, she wants you to
         | actually care, and keeping in contact is an expression of
         | caring. If you need to forge something this foundational, I'm
         | sorry but that's not being introverted, that's treating social
         | interaction as a game or trade. I feel like it's bordering on
         | psychopathy.
        
           | grayfaced wrote:
           | I mostly agree. When I'm focused on something, I tend to
           | isolate myself. I forget to contact people. I care but I'm
           | just distracted.
           | 
           | I would prefer reminders of "You haven't called your Mom in X
           | days". Set configurable threshholds of how often you want to
           | contact different people but still require you to actually do
           | it.
        
             | binkHN wrote:
             | For what it's worth, the app, by default, will not take any
             | action and largely act as a helpful reminder, and I highly
             | recommend this type of use.
        
             | snet0 wrote:
             | This is a symptom of caring too much about what you're
             | focused on, though. While I appreciate that sometimes it's
             | easy to forget important things, I think if you need
             | inorganic means to remember to call your mother, you need
             | to take a moment to actually consider that, rather than
             | looking for the nearest software "solution".
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | Not everyone's brain works in the same way as yours, that
               | doesn't make them a sociopath.
        
           | fastball wrote:
           | I think the part you're missing is that this is supposed to
           | be followed up by actual conversations and interactions.
           | 
           | There are a great many friends where Life Happens(tm) and
           | although I genuinely care about them, I haven't contacted
           | them in months / years (and vice versa) because I'm not
           | generally the type to initiate small-talk. That doesn't mean
           | I don't enjoy catching up with friends and going over the
           | little things in our lives, it's just not something I
           | naturally do. Having an app that helps you keep in touch with
           | the people you care about (if you don't care why would you
           | bother to set up an app) seems helpful.
           | 
           | And I think stating that this is not introversion but more
           | like psychopathy is a bit beyond the pale. It can be hard for
           | introverts to kickstart conversations with people they
           | haven't talked to in a while for various reasons, none of
           | which are "because they're a sociopath". They might feel like
           | they're intruding or they might have confidence issues which
           | cause them to feel that messaging people out of the blue will
           | make them seem weird, even if neither of those things are
           | actually true from the other person's perspective.
        
             | spicybright wrote:
             | This app won't last long enough to remind you to message
             | year old dormant relationships, so if that's important one
             | should find something else.
             | 
             | I also don't see how an automated message helps you keep in
             | touch though. It seems like people with a lot of this
             | anxiety will just fiddle with the settings exactly like
             | they fiddle typing out drafts they never send.
        
             | tssva wrote:
             | It may not be because they are being a sociopath but it
             | also isn't just because of being an introvert. What you are
             | describing is social anxiety which some introverts have and
             | others do not.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | Nobody said all introverts ("can be hard"). I think you'd
               | classify anyone with social anxiety as an introvert.
               | Therefore this is a problem that introverts have.
        
               | alisonkisk wrote:
               | Words have meanings, and that's not what introvert means.
        
               | fastball wrote:
               | > Introvert: a shy, reticent person.
               | 
               | What person with social anxiety does that _not_ apply to?
               | 
               | No idea why the two of you are quibbling over the use of
               | the word introvert here.
        
         | kaioelfke wrote:
         | Is the effort knowing, when to reach out yourself instead of a
         | tool reminding you? Or is the effort about spending time with a
         | person?
         | 
         | I use a running tracker, but I still have to run myself.
         | 
         | And how often do people reach out on their own? Often it's
         | seeing a post in a feed or some other trigger. Is that more
         | authentic?
         | 
         | The willingness to add a reminder and spend time shows that you
         | care about a person.
        
           | binkHN wrote:
           | I agree, and many others have seen it this way as well.
        
       | shepherdjerred wrote:
       | Relationships-as-a-service?
        
       | brushfoot wrote:
       | Yuck. If interacting with me is such a chore that someone has to
       | automate it, I'd rather not hear from them.
       | 
       | People don't want to be your duties. They want to be your
       | pleasures.
       | 
       | This changes messages from "I felt like talking to you" to "my
       | scheduled trigger fired; please start a conversation so I can
       | check you off my checklist."
       | 
       | If I found out someone were using this to communicate with me,
       | I'd frankly cut them out of my life -- not out of hatred, but
       | because I'm not a sadist. If it's tedious for you to talk to me,
       | I don't want to cause you that pain.
        
         | fastball wrote:
         | I feel like you're conflating the friction of starting a
         | conversation with the friction of continuing one, which can be
         | very different things.
        
           | trutannus wrote:
           | Most of the negative views on this app appear to
           | fundamentally misunderstand how highly introverted people
           | socialize. I know several highly introverted people. Having
           | something automatically start a conversation for them which
           | they can then engage in themselves would be very helpful.
           | Especially for people who have social anxiety. My take was
           | never that this app was going to socialize for you, but
           | rather would initiate conversations for you which you could
           | then finish yourself. There's nothing wrong with doing
           | that...
        
       | 29athrowaway wrote:
       | I do not like the name "CommuniqAI".
       | 
       | Think about how a person would recommend this app to a friend.
       | A: "Hey, check this out, it's an app called 'CommuniqAI', it's
       | great".         B: "How do I spell that?"         A: "C-o-m-m-u-
       | n-i-q..."         B: "Sorry, I lost you, start over"         A:
       | "It starts the same as Communism, but ism it ends in q-A-I"
       | B: "grrr, fuck it. I am going to install Signal or Telegram"
       | 
       | Don't make it harder for people to recommend your app.
        
         | festive-minsky wrote:
         | The name is fine; "Communique, but with an AI instead of an e"
        
           | 29athrowaway wrote:
           | You belong to a tiny percentage of the population able to
           | make that association.
        
         | officialjunk wrote:
         | or give them a link?
        
           | 29athrowaway wrote:
           | That too but the name is an important factor.
        
             | azinman2 wrote:
             | The more important factor is the actual execution. And the
             | reality is this is has been done, many, many times. In fact
             | a friend recently wrote a version of this in order to learn
             | Swift.
             | 
             | Ultimately it's a social problem not a technological
             | problem. I don't think this is quite hitting the nail on
             | the end. The author said part of the motivation was that
             | his gf wanted periodic reach outs during the day.
             | Automating this isn't the solution because it's totally
             | inorganic. They need to figure their communication out
             | themselves -- this isn't the right path that's sustainable.
        
       | pelagicAustral wrote:
       | Introvert, has gf... next.
        
       | evrydayhustling wrote:
       | Love the simple design. $.02 - absolutely require interaction /
       | customization before the app sends messages. Reminding people to
       | send is service enough, and creates an interaction opportunity to
       | refine settings. But sending automatically requires asymmetric
       | attention between sender and recipient - which is almost always
       | bad news for relationships, soon or over time.
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | Thanks! And I concur! By default, the app will not take any
         | action and largely act as a helpful reminder, and I highly
         | recommend this type of use!
        
       | asteroidbelt wrote:
       | You are not introvert, you are sociopath.
       | 
       | And this app will "help" people stay this way instead of learning
       | to connect.
       | 
       | This app is cheating. It is like telling your friends you baked a
       | cake while you bought it.
       | 
       | I'd be disappointed if someone was using it with me. Would be OK
       | if they warned me upfront, though.
        
       | gtirloni wrote:
       | The link is not working.
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | I'm sorry, but the app is currently in beta and limited to 88
         | countries/regions to better support this. Please let me know
         | what country you are in so that I may rectify this.
        
           | tgdn wrote:
           | France
        
             | binkHN wrote:
             | Thank you. I made the change, but, unfortunately, it might
             | take a few hours to be effective.
        
       | superasn wrote:
       | Would be amazing if it could interface with web.whatsapp.com as
       | most people I know use WA primarily nowadays instead of sms.
        
       | Graffur wrote:
       | This is not healthy. Instead the friends should realise that
       | their introverted friends won't always be in contact but that
       | does not change the relationship.
        
       | kakawait wrote:
       | I'm not able to access (play tells me it does not found)? Is
       | country limited app or something?
        
         | binkHN wrote:
         | Yes. I'm sorry. The app is currently in beta and limited to 88
         | countries/regions to better support this. Please let me know
         | what country you are in so that I may rectify this.
        
           | kakawait wrote:
           | I'm come from France
        
             | binkHN wrote:
             | This should be sorted now! Thank you!
        
           | zubi wrote:
           | I'm an introvert from Turkey.
        
             | binkHN wrote:
             | Added! Please give this a few hours to be effective.
        
       | iovrthoughtthis wrote:
       | love it the goal. why do you struggle to maintain connections?
        
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