[HN Gopher] The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)
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The YouTube revolution in knowledge transfer (2019)
Author : kozak
Score : 119 points
Date : 2021-07-01 11:03 UTC (11 hours ago)
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| ajot wrote:
| I liked Cedric Chin's related/citing post (and series about tacit
| learning) found here: https://commoncog.com/blog/youtube-learn-
| tacit-knowledge/
| strife25 wrote:
| Home Improvement YouTube is amazing.
|
| There's a reason we don't see modern Bob Vila-personalities on TV
| as much these days.
| obloid wrote:
| It really is a gold mine. Things I've successfully tackled with
| the help of YouTube:small engine repair, appliance repair,
| knife making, woodworking, electronics, sailing, auto repair.
| And the list goes on.
|
| Yes there is a lot of garbage, but also some really useful
| content.
| topkai22 wrote:
| YouTube is amazing for the sort of tacit knowledge the author is
| talking about, as well as things that actually transfer pretty
| well in well written manuals, like auto repair. I use YouTube to
| find tacit information on household/auto repairs, how to enhance
| my 3d printer, etc... all the time. It really is a new repository
| of knowledge for humankind. It is amazing, and boon for me and my
| life.
|
| However, much of my ability to enjoy and use that tacit knowledge
| is predicated on having other basic skills. I know my way around
| tools and a shop both because my dad taught me and because I took
| courses in school.
|
| YouTube (and much of online learning generally) is fantastic to
| for learning specific, point in time skills that you need to use
| right away. This is incredibly important and incredibly useful.
| It is less good at ensuring the people learn the fundamental
| skills they need to make these sorts of point in time learnings
| accessible. After all, while I didn't learn how to replace the
| trunk lock assembly on a 2010 Toyota Highlander in school, but I
| did build enough things in Junior High shop class that I knew
| what a socket wrench was and that it was possible to fix things.
|
| These technologies and systems serve different needs, I think its
| important to recognize that.
| senectus1 wrote:
| Funny this link just popped up, I was just marvelling at my 13 yr
| old son's self taught progression at programming. He's taken
| about 2 years to get from batch scripts to c# and unity... mostly
| via youtube videos. https://cyb3rgames.itch.io/trench-warfare <
| his latest efforts completed in about a week.
|
| Kids these days love to learn via self paced youtube
|
| *note, if you're going to let your kids watch youtube, either put
| your own anti-advert features in on your network or pay for
| youtube premium. You tube adverts are abhorrent on their own let
| alone the constant breaking up of what self paced education they
| might be getting from it.
| echelon wrote:
| I'm so glad to hear about this. I was beginning to think
| widespread use of smartphones was actually decreasing technical
| literacy and making it harder to learn. They're almost too easy
| and don't expose their inner workings as readily as desktop
| computers.
|
| Now that you mention it, I bet there's actually a wealth of
| educational content on YouTube and TikTok that serves to
| counter this. Technical insights for any interest.
| dchoi315 wrote:
| I definitely can relate, software engineering is one of those
| fields that can definitely be learned on one's own time for
| free, and now I'm working at an internship at a startup!
| polyterative wrote:
| my story too, was able to land a good job withoud any degree
| jhickok wrote:
| My son is getting interested in programming-- any resources
| that you found helpful?
|
| Also, that game is super cool! Pass on my compliments!
| senectus1 wrote:
| here is a handful from his history:
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCL7FCx3MrwKGYFEs91Lz0yg
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwYuQIa9lgjvDiZryUVtFGw
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYbK_tjZ2OrIZFBvU6CCMiA <
| very popular
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIWlCE2kt0RXCJLRp8HjhiQ
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLyVUwlB_Hahir_VsKkGPIA
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk_n3tLHEeCW3oYwea7-8dg
|
| https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCG08EqOAXJk_YXPDsAvReSg
| jhickok wrote:
| Thank you so much!
| Barrin92 wrote:
| While visual learning through YouTube is a step up in terms of
| tacit knowledge transmission I think the example of becoming a
| world class athlete by watching YouTube videos is probably really
| an exception and mentorship and a comprehensive environment to
| learn in are very important.
|
| Samo also lists (heart) surgery as an example and I think it
| would be very hard to learn this at any level of excellence from
| footage alone. (obviously also hard to test given the lack of
| volunteers I imagine). But there's a huge tactile component that
| just gets absorbed by osmosis in a real world setting and that's
| hard to replicate from a screen. Same with woodworking and some
| of the other examples given. Even labwork in fields such as
| chemistry has a surprising amount of 'art' to it that one
| wouldn't expect just from observing.
| deregulateMed wrote:
| Ahh the good ol "medicine is Art and science" keeping the
| physician cartel alive and well, with no competitive risk from
| scientists and AI.
|
| I know my son was at risk of worse outcomes if not for me
| researching the relevant scientific papers online. (Tongue Tie,
| surgery vs laser, physician recommended surgery because it's
| done by a surgeon not a dentist. Outcomes are worse with
| surgery)
|
| It's about time we move to evidence based medicine and revoke
| licenses from traditionalists.
| Barrin92 wrote:
| is the entire point of your account to advocate for
| deregulating medicine or why are you barking up the wrong
| tree here?
|
| I didn't argue for or against licenses. In any field with
| tacit knowledge expertise will persist regardless. Even in a
| world with zero licenses people will probably not have their
| kids operated on by someone who studied surgery on YouTube.
| Both the dentist as well as the physician in your example are
| trained professionals. As are the scientists whose studies
| you trusted when you came to the conclusion that someone gave
| you bad advice.
|
| Institutionalized and tacit knowledge in science is just as
| present as it is in medicine. Licenses are just a way to make
| that knowledge acquisition explicit and verifiable.
| deregulateMed wrote:
| No, I somewhat value privacy and use burner accounts. I was
| probably upset I had to pay 5 different people to get my
| yearly dandruff medicine.
|
| Also, I absolutely do not trust scientists (read- Humans).
| I trust the scientific method and finding multiple
| independent studies with reasonable methods and similar
| conclusions.
|
| I simply took issue with you claiming there is an Art to
| medicine in 2021.
| zerop wrote:
| I think this revolution needs to be taken further to masses at
| grass roots through remote learning model. Folks can take the
| courses from institutions across world via Youtube (or similar
| platform) for free and participate in an online certification for
| the course and get certified. I find that many talented and
| bright students can't financially afford degrees institutions
| grawprog wrote:
| Maybe I'm just one of those odd ones, as much as I love all the
| knowledge and learning videos on youtube and I can't deny I've
| learned a lot from them.
|
| But, they seem to have replaced the written tutorial or
| instructions for a lot of things.
|
| I'm one of those people, I learn better through reading. I learn
| alright through youtube videos, but I find I retain knowledge
| better through written descriptions and pictures.
|
| I've found since youtube tutorials and knowledge videos really
| exploded in popularity, finding highquality written tutorials or
| instructions has become more difficult.
|
| Even a lot of programming stuff is moving into video format,
| which honestly, I can't learn anything from those. I need to be
| able to work through something like that at my own pace, possibly
| work through different sections, maybe experiment to fully
| understand. Doing that with a video is much more difficult than
| something written.
|
| Lately, i've been looking into stuff about blender, trying to
| find anything up to date in a non-video format is almost
| impossible. There's some great high quality written stuff for
| blender out there, but it's several years out of date and
| everything that's replaced it is in video format.
|
| This all being said, I am still glad this all exists and there's
| so much information so easily available.
| marcosdumay wrote:
| > I've found since youtube tutorials and knowledge videos
| really exploded in popularity
|
| At some point Google decided to prioritize video content. I
| don't think anybody really likes doing those videos when the
| main media they are working with is text, but it's a choice of
| doing a video or never having anybody ever find you.
| psychomugs wrote:
| I used to learn better on YouTube, probably circa 2010. I
| learned music theory, programming, electronics, photography,
| and skateboarding, all things that I still use and enjoy today,
| but this was way before the current eyeball-attention-hogging
| landscape where videos are replete with ads and sponsorships
| and regurgitated information that draws videos out twice as
| long as they really ought to be. I have no doubt that quality
| educational material is still out there, but the signal-to-
| noise ratio makes it so hard to sift through that it barely
| feels worth it.
| aaron695 wrote:
| Given a lot of people don't like being in video or public
| speaking I wouldn't say the world wants YouTube instructional
| videos, it's just what in practice has worked the best.
|
| Pin down why and make a site that solves the problem and become
| a unicorn.
| dfxm12 wrote:
| I don't think you're an odd one. YT has many disadvantages
| compared to written instructions, especially when it comes to
| coding. Just off the top of my head, YT has uneven video
| quality & when you pause videos, there's a bunch of stuff that
| obscures the video. So, it's hard to read text from a video, or
| even see something really specific (and maybe tacit) at times.
|
| YT also doesn't allow for notes, no way to easy make an
| "offline" version, no way to compile its contents into your own
| knowledgebase, etc.
|
| You can also read text at your own pace, which is really useful
| for learning things in steps, while videos go at their own.
| GuB-42 wrote:
| > when you pause videos, there's a bunch of stuff that
| obscures the video
|
| I really hate the YouTube app for that. Where did they get
| the idea that it is a good thing? And it is not even an
| attempt at monetization, they don't show ads, they still do
| it on premium, they just make it hard for you to see what's
| on screen.
| bittercynic wrote:
| It looks like youtube doesn't do that pause overlay at the
| moment. I tried just now in Chrome and Firefox with
| extensions disabled, and nothing got in the way of the paused
| video.
|
| I used to have .ytp-pause-overlay
|
| in my ublock-origin filters, but it appears it's no longer
| needed.
| TonyTrapp wrote:
| They still show the player controls as an overlay the whole
| time as the video is paused. For me, turning the player
| controls from a bar below the video into an overlay that
| dynamically comes and goes is the defining moment when
| YouTube became unusable. It's simply _impossible_ to read
| slides in some videos because you 'd have to pause them to
| read all of it, but then the bottom part of the slide
| becomes unreadable. How was anyone able to arrive at the
| conclusion that this would be a smart thing to do for a
| video player?
| bittercynic wrote:
| Ya, I see what you mean.
| www.youtube.com##.ytp-chrome-bottom
|
| blocks all that stuff, but then you lose access to things
| like choosing quality and turning subtitles on and off.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| I have the same thing and for me a mix is great but I read very
| fast so if the info is dense I prefer reading and where this
| really goes wrong is money; when I do not remember a linux cli
| kata, now the first hits are often videos with an intro, outro
| etc: makes no sense. It is one line I want to copy paste! Or at
| least see to remember. Very wasteful but I get why it is.
| testcase_delta wrote:
| I learned blender last year to a pretty good level entirely on
| YouTube. I recommend using the hot keys (arrow keys to skip,
| shift+carrots to increase playback speed). I also highly
| recommend using Anki and creating flash cards as you go.
| Windows 10 is great for pasting in screenshots with a couple
| hot keys straight on to your flash cards. By reviewing the
| flash cards you retain what you watch in the videos and greatly
| speed up your learning time.
| kiba wrote:
| There are all sort of wonderful educational videos on youtube,
| but it's like leading a horse to water. The hard part is now
| getting them to drink.
|
| That said, I do credit part of my education to Youtube
| University. I learned more about virology in details that I never
| thought about before. Still, I haven't yet complete the virology
| lectures.
| bluGill wrote:
| But is what you learned correct? Anyone can claim to be an
| expert and put together a lecture. That doesn't mean what they
| are teaching is correct.
| scrollaway wrote:
| What you are saying applies to current school systems too. So
| many of my teachers were full of shit...
| snek_case wrote:
| There are many lectures and conference talks from university
| professors who are at the top of their field on YouTube. You
| might be able to find better content than what's available in
| your local university class.
|
| For example, Robert Sapolsky's lecture series on Human
| Behavioral Biology at Stanford: https://www.youtube.com/watch
| ?v=NNnIGh9g6fA&list=PL848F2368C...
|
| Stanford and MIT both have lots of lectures on YouTube.
| bluGill wrote:
| Oh I know, but there are also a lot of people making claims
| to expertise they don't have and spreading lies. Some of
| them are real experts in other fields and so have respect
| there.
| FlyMoreRockets wrote:
| It's generally pretty easy to spot the fakes if you have
| a basic understanding of the field and are just
| researching for specific details. Frankly, for the stuff
| I typically look for, there are surprisingly few fakes to
| be found. This may change with YT deprecating the down-
| vote arrow.
| snek_case wrote:
| I would say critical thinking, learning to distinguish
| good information from bad is a valuable life skill that
| is only getting more valuable with time. Something we
| should try to teach people about from a young age.
| lkbm wrote:
| I don't think YouTube replaces school for most people, but it
| makes it possible for someone who wants to learn something to
| do that much more more easily than before. School forces kids
| to learn a little bit about a wide-ish swath of subjects.
| Youtube enables them to go deeper on whatever it is they're
| interested in.
|
| Finding and signing up for a class or lessons is a big,
| expensive hurdle, and then you might discover you hate the
| subject or the teacher. If you can quickly and easily dip into
| a dozen subjects and try videos from hundreds of creators, you
| can rapidly try and reject things until you find one that
| strikes you and stick with it.
|
| The Internet in general does this, but YouTube is a big part of
| it, especially things where visuals are useful--woodworking is
| a good example, but there are so so many things to learn if you
| can jut find a subject and a teacher that catches your
| interest.
| polygotdomain wrote:
| I think the article is overthinking it a little bit, and I think
| it comes down to accessibility, enthusiasm, and to a certain
| degree a rapid pace in terms of content.
|
| There's no doubt that YouTube has made a number of these topics
| far more accessible. The inclusion of videos along side typical
| text searches means that it's just as easy to click on an article
| as it is one of those videos. There's also typically a multitude
| of options that each might cover the same topic from certain
| angles and varying degrees of overlap.
|
| These videos are typically uploaded by creators who are
| passionate and incredibly enthusiastic to share a key aspect of
| their lives. Many of the popular educational channels have a
| passionate creator behind them, rather than a flatter more
| lecture based approach like you might get in typical coursework
| (which is also on YouTube, but isn't nearly as widely consumed).
|
| Lastly, I can find a 5, 10, or 20 minute video that's focused on
| a specific subject or topic on YouTube as opposed to going
| through 60 or 90 minutes of coursework/lectures that are
| predefined. I can jump from video to video, carving out my own
| path to learn what I want, rather than sit through a lecture that
| may not be discussing something particularly of interest.
|
| The Tacit knowledge that's referenced in the article is certainly
| there in many of the videos on YouTube, but is not the main
| driver behind this "revolution". It's the ability for anyone in
| the world to dive nearly as deep as they want, lead by content
| creators that are genuine passionate about the subjects they
| cover.
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| Youtube deserves no credit: they do nothing to make educational
| videos more discoverable, they cannot even categorise them
| properly!
|
| My 'feed' is filled with videos I already watched and typically
| the only way I discover new content is linked from HN or other
| sites.
|
| Neither does Youtube treat their educational creators well - as
| far ad they are concerned, 'influencer' reviewing funny viseos
| has more value than educational content.
| scrollaway wrote:
| You're using YouTube wrong. I dunno.
|
| For me, YouTube serves me up so much educational content i
| want to watch that there is over 100 hours of content in my
| Watch Later. And i do very often go through the videos it
| gives me but it never ends.
|
| YouTube is a tool, you have to do a bit of curation so it
| learns what you like and dislike, and then it just delivers
| an unending firehose of content matching that. And if what
| you like is educational content, boy is there a lot of it
| available.
| ClumsyPilot wrote:
| I dunno what i am doing wrong, but my youtube feed is a
| barrage of things I've already watched, the only way for me
| to get something new suggested that's not garbade is to
| spesifically search for it.
| michaelt wrote:
| The secret to operating youtube is to ignore the homepage
| and video recommendations and disable autoplay - instead
| what you want to do is:-
|
| Stage 1: Follow channels you like.
|
| Stage 2: Visit https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions
| zh3 wrote:
| Unfortunately it's being killed by the obnoxious advertising,
| which is growing far faster than the value of the content (it's
| already past my personal tipping point).
|
| At some point we can hope that hosting is cheap enough we can all
| host our own videos, that search engines will find our content
| (without any favouritism) and that such an outcome will actually
| be legal.
| exporectomy wrote:
| I use two Chrome plugins to eliminate all time-using Youtube
| ads:
|
| _uBlock Origin_
|
| _SponsorBlock for YouTube_. This uses crowdsourced info to
| skip advertising within videos as well as into
| /outro/subscription begging, etc. I don't think I've head a
| single "click subscribe and ring the bell icon" since I
| installed it. All that crap's a distant memory.
|
| I think there are still overlay banner ads but they can be
| ignored more easily.
| mikewarot wrote:
| He listed 4 things that happened together Quality
| affordable digital cameras Internet for everyone
| Search Engines Portable screens
|
| I think he missed one, the channel/subscription model that
| YouTube still supports, where you can push content about a very
| narrow subject, and a large enough audience to make it worth
| everyone's effort, can meet.
| shireboy wrote:
| This has been evident to me personally in two areas especially:
| car repair and gardening. I routinely look up repairs for my
| vehicles on YT and often find they are more approachable than if
| I'd just relied on a chiltons guide. The "tacit knowledge" of
| things like "you got to reach around from this angle to access
| the oil filter" or "when it makes this sound, it's often this
| part" is incredible. And it's struck me before that it really is
| a new phenomenon that all this detailed knowledge video is
| available instantly.
|
| Gardening reveals a gotcha that I've thought I'd like to solve
| with my own content though. Often content is presented with no
| followup. Ie "top 10 ways to get rid of squash vine borers"
| regurgitates the same things as lists online, with very little
| I've seen saying "these worked, these didn't". Since it's often a
| longer term endeavor with lots of variables, there's little
| content that follows gardening techniques through. I've thought
| if I started a garden channel, I'd like to do time lapse videos
| following real random controlled trials with various techniques
| to see and demonstrate what works. Maybe a way to have a very
| boring channel, but it's what I'd like to see.
| inglor_cz wrote:
| Well, I had a toilet problem a week ago. Looking it up on
| YouTube, I found a plumber who demonstrated a solution. Five
| minutes of work and the problem was resolved.
|
| IDK how much I saved, but at least 2000 CZK (approx. 80 dollars).
| Not to mention that I didn't have to wait for the plumber to
| arrive, which would take a few days, probably.
| kmfrk wrote:
| Don't forget the flip side of this, which is that manuals are
| increasingly useless if not just entirely non-existent for a
| variety of products. And the companies that make videos for
| their products instead of manuals usually don't have the
| greatest photography and editing skills.
| bena wrote:
| A while back, the car I had had a bad blower motor. I looked it
| up, found a video that showed where and how to replace it. I
| got the part online and was able to do it myself.
|
| It was a fairly simple replacement too. The motor was actually
| situated under the dash on the passenger side and was about as
| difficult as installing/replacing a computer fan.
| ttctciyf wrote:
| My YT fix tale: friend was throwing out an LCD TV because of
| weird colours, like solarization. I asked him for it, spent an
| hour searching youtube and found a TV engineer video with a
| likely solution: unplug the data cable where it feeds into the
| screen and scrape it clean.
|
| 7 years later and the TV is doing daily duty as a monitor for
| watching streamed content. I clean the cable once or twice a
| year, and one time had to source a replacement capacitor from a
| roadside discarded TV to bring it back to life (again, thanks
| to YT info.)
| saalweachter wrote:
| I'm not actually sure if I ended up looking at YouTube or
| just regular old web results, but my personal internet trust
| fall was replacing an old window with a new one, where the
| steps went: 1. Go to store. Buy a window, some 2x4s, and some
| plywood sheeting. 2. Rip giant hole in the side of my house,
| removing the old window and everything within about 3 feet of
| it. 3. Google [how to frame a rough opening for a window]. 4.
| Follow the instructions.
|
| Granted, I already had some prior knowledge here -- I knew
| the term "frame" and "rough opening" -- but I was still
| amused with myself that I left an "acquire information about
| how to complete my task" step until the _middle_ , when I had
| a giant hole in the side of my house.
| jazzyjackson wrote:
| The number of TVs thrown out because of a bad capacitor must
| be outrageous.
|
| Did you hear the one about the ribbon cable that only worked
| with bright light shining on it?
|
| https://hackaday.com/2016/01/22/fixing-broken-monitors-by-
| sh...
| echelon wrote:
| Did you tell your friend?
| ttctciyf wrote:
| Immediately! ;-)
| amelius wrote:
| This kind of thing should be on Wikipedia. Too bad they don't
| really host videos.
| alex_anglin wrote:
| I've had WikiHow help me out in similar ways to GP a couple
| of times. Wasn't watching videos though.
| aantix wrote:
| Does Wikipedia allow for the embedding of Youtube videos?
| It'd be nice to embrace an existing library of video content.
|
| The reverse relationship exists - Google readily displays
| Wikipedia content for specific searches.
| amelius wrote:
| Google is acting as a silo, and imho not an example of good
| stewardship wrt the organization of the world's data.
| lotsofpulp wrote:
| I do not see anyone else willing to pony up the money to
| be a "good steward". Who wants to take on all the
| responsibility and liabilities that come with hosting
| other people's content?
|
| Better solution here would be ipv6 and fiber connections
| to each home so people do not have to rely on uploading
| to one company to be able to distribute their video.
| ssully wrote:
| I had a motor issue with my dishwasher. With the help of a
| Youtube video, I was able to disassemble the full machine,
| identify the issue, and put it all back together. I don't know
| what going rate's are for fixing dishwashers, but I am guessing
| at a minimum I saved $200 bucks.
| trentnix wrote:
| I fixed our garage refrigerator just a few weeks ago thanks to
| YouTube. The freezer side was cooling fine, but the
| refrigerator side was not cooling at all. When I opened the
| refrigerator door, I could feel cold air venting into the
| refrigerator from the freezer just fine, but it would never get
| cold and would eventually beep with a high temperature error.
| Meat had spoiled, drinks were hot, and my wife started looking
| online for a replacement.
|
| A little searching and digging led me to videos about replacing
| fans and motors and messing with the refrigerator hardware.
| That required pulling the refrigerator apart, which was well
| beyond my ambition. Finally, I stumbled on a video that
| described my problem exactly. It turns out that the air return
| vent had become blocked by ice, so when the refrigerator was
| closed air wasn't being pulled into the refrigerator side. When
| I opened the door, the open door caused air to move just fine.
|
| I took out a couple of shelves, found the return vent, chipped
| away at the ice blocking the return, and things have been
| working great ever since.
| viburnum wrote:
| Thanks! I'm pretty sure I have the same issue!
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I am essentially a self-taught EE thanks to the internet. There
| is no shortage of engineers posting educational content, and no
| shortage of extremely knowledgeable engineers willing to directly
| help you with problems. I've done dozens of projects and even
| brought one to market.
|
| I guess the flipside, in my experience it doesn't count as
| anything in the professional world. Since I back doored
| engineering, I am currently the technical lead on two projects at
| my job, both of which have vacant engineering lead positions -
| making me the defacto engineering lead. So I do the engineers
| work for technicians pay ($19/hr). I am also the only technician
| in the engineering dept. as opposed to the lab.
|
| I should have just stuck with programming 20 years ago. Sorry
| this is a bit of a rambling tangent I went on. Maybe a warning to
| others that a degree is often more important than the knowledge
| the degree brings.
| topkai22 wrote:
| My wife's business has a number of self taught engineers. As
| management (everyone management started as an engineer), they
| have full faith in these people and love them. However, it
| causes them no end of pain that they never got their degrees as
| client contracts often require a credential to bill at higher
| rates.
|
| For the ones that are willing, they'll gladly sponsor a degree
| pursuit and pay them more at completion, but the business
| environment puts a lot of pressure on creating a pay ceiling on
| uncredentialed employees
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I have associates degree in electronics tech and did go for
| my full engineering degree, but failed out...twice. I cannot
| for the life of me reliably pen-and-paper-clock-ticking solve
| complex equations. I even payed out the ass for a top tier
| tutor, no luck. I very firmly reached the "Maybe this just
| isn't for you" point. But with my own work and in my job,
| being really bad at high level calculus or diff eq has never
| even cropped up much less been a detriment (Well it does crop
| up, but in the SPICE simulator/circuit simulator).
|
| Oddly enough the engineering lead here is an uncredentialled
| engineer, but he was also the first employee 25 years ago so
| I suppose he is grandfathered in. Not that he doesn't deserve
| it either, he is wildly knowledgeable and capable.
| topkai22 wrote:
| Are you able to do the homework (without aids) but not the
| test?
|
| You might have some form of diagnosable learning
| disability. If you get that diagnosed and then take it to a
| college's office of disability support services (or
| whatever the equivalent is), they'll set you up with a set
| of accommodations, which is generally things like more time
| on tests.
| drumttocs8 wrote:
| As a college-educated engineer, I guarantee that you learned
| much more than I ever did during my formal training. The only
| useful things I've learned for my job was learned after
| college, when I actually had to know stuff to be successful!
|
| With that said, if you really like engineering, you can
| eventually get the PE with enough years' experience and get
| that pay increase. It may be worth it to you.
| psychomugs wrote:
| I've always had a deep sense of respect for the hands-on
| engineers and technicians, the people that colloquialize an
| engine as a "motor," know the difference between a heat gun
| and a drill, and can wrench without needing a course on the
| Principles of Theoretical and Applied Screwdriver Mechanics.
| grapherEtt wrote:
| I am sorry but that is just nonsense.
|
| The world is in short supply of smart people like you. There is
| no shortage of people with degrees.
|
| There is no doubt you can get a better paying job than $19 an
| hour doing something you find interesting.
|
| You just need to put some of those learning skills into
| marketing/branding/networking.
| solarengineer wrote:
| Have you considered taking up programming now? In many ways,
| age is just a number.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| Yeah, I have. The problem is that I really do love
| electronics. I am a decent C programmer, for embedded
| applications at least. I have never written an actual PC
| program though besides tutorial stuff.
|
| A friend of my did a crash course boot camp for js, and did
| eventually get a good job out of it. Maybe I should think
| about doing the same.
| weaksauce wrote:
| you might want to check out the odin project... seems
| fairly high quality. or if that's not your jam i'm sure you
| could find a book or a course on something like coursera or
| udemy with varying success....
|
| https://www.theodinproject.com/
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| This is a good resource, thanks!
| creamynebula wrote:
| Maybe if you bring the facts with a positive atittude to your
| employer they will be willing to recognize that you deserve a
| lead position, with matching salary, or at least something in
| between this and what you have now, even without a degree.
| Workaccount2 wrote:
| I'm actually looking for an out right now to respin my luck
| somewhere else. Right now I engineer by proxy, i.e. I do a
| design, document, or ECO and my boss stamps it (which frankly
| isn't too different than the other engineers, he ultimately
| stamps their stuff too).
|
| I have prodded my boss about it and he more or less said that
| after our recent acquisition by parent company and parent
| parent company, things are very corporate by the book. It
| seems right now we're in a state where they are getting full
| engineering work at a 50-60% discount and I am getting to do
| engineering work despite being hired as a clock punching lab
| grunt.
| danbruc wrote:
| I just tried to figure out what people actually watch on YouTube
| a couple of days ago without much luck. I came across some
| numbers but they only divided the videos into very broad
| categories like music, entertainment, education, and others or
| something like that. Is anybody aware of a more detailed look at
| this?
| exporectomy wrote:
| I suspect it's divided into such fine-grained niches that most
| of what people watch isn't popular. Almost anything popular
| labelled "education" is likely TV-level education, and really
| mostly just entertainment with the pleasant feeling of getting
| a bit of shallow learning on the way.
| FlyMoreRockets wrote:
| Yeah, you're right. Wikipedia lists the most popular channels,
| and they're pretty much just entertainment and music. Then
| again, as near as I can tell, that's exactly what they are.
| Even the one listed as education is just music/entertainment
| for children.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouTub...
| grouphugs wrote:
| this is not attributal to yt, people don't even know the history
| of the past two decades
| uniqueid wrote:
| It's a shame that nobody but Youtube can afford to host videos at
| a loss year after year. I could vent for an hour about why I
| dislike the company: they are a privacy abomination; their
| moderation is incompetent; the way they monetize is unethical. If
| there were a worse steward than Youtube to store the bulk of
| humanity's video, I can't think of who it would possibly be.
| jimbob45 wrote:
| At some point in the future, YouTube competitors will probably
| become cost effective - probably 30-50 years in the future.
|
| If you've ever imagined someone coming from the future with
| futuristic technology, it would probably look something like
| YouTube. It's a piece of technology we effectively can't
| replicate that we're entirely beholden to because removing our
| dependence on it would set us back decades socially,
| technologically, and functionally.
| deregulateMed wrote:
| Even Google is giving up their free services. Soon YouTube will
| follow Apple and raise their walls around the Prison and lock
| people in through an aggressive TOS. With DMCA or newly lobbied
| legislation could Google own every video?
|
| It will be an exodus for those on the cutting edge, and the
| late comers will be paying the price.
|
| Google doesn't have the marketing department Apple has to
| successfully pull it off.
| swiley wrote:
| Are they so expensive to host yourself? Sure the picture
| quality won't be as great but with modern codecs it doesn't
| seem like it would be much worse than the average web page.
| uniqueid wrote:
| Oops, what I had in mind when I wrote the comment was the
| expense of hosting a vast repository of videos (eg: Youtube,
| Vimeo, Twitch, etc). I didn't mean the modest cost of an
| individual just serving their own content.
| ben_w wrote:
| It's not impossible, but I think it's about 128 minute-views
| per GB and $0.01/GB? Which would make hosting e.g. Issac
| Arthur's YouTube channel cost in the order of $200-$300 per
| video uploaded, which I would hope is small for him given how
| many volunteers he gets and the sponsor messages, but might
| discourage future versions of him from getting started.
|
| Scott Manley's channel looks like typically more views and
| shorter videos, so would probably be similar hosting costs.
| Would he still be able to do his thing without YouTube? Or
| Robert Miles (the AI researcher, not the famous one I've
| never heard of before updating this comment because I'm not
| into music)?
| [deleted]
| marcosdumay wrote:
| > but might discourage future versions of him from getting
| started
|
| The people getting started would have lower costs too.
| emodendroket wrote:
| I have to admit that I've found video fat more effective for
| learning unfamiliar recipes than written recipes. Just so much
| easier to see someone do it. Not my first choice for everything I
| want to learn, but it is a good resource for many.
| PicassoCTs wrote:
| Its great at answering the How-To-Questions in small snippets.
| But when it comes to the in depth questions, the Why Questions,
| you still have to return to university-lectures, although those
| are hosted on the platform.
|
| Education and Instruction still have the vast time difference in
| dimension.
|
| And its hard to push yourselves through the desert of ignorance
| to in depth knowledge-which is why online univerty-courses have
| such a low completion ratio, compared to the traditional "forced
| to be there"-lectures and tutorials.
| exporectomy wrote:
| I agree for university type education. I've tried to slog
| through that stuff but could never get far due to lack of
| motivation. But for DIY and hobbies, it's really demolished
| barriers to entry. I learnt how to cut down trees from the many
| tree-cutting YouTube channels, how to build a retaining wall,
| how to plaster your walls, all sorts of little individual
| skills that are otherwise hard to pick up without making a
| career out of it or having the right friends.
| spaetzleesser wrote:
| I think it also has a huge effect on sports. Especially the ones
| that aren't on TV. When I did martial arts in the 90s it was
| super hard to find recordings of good Muay Thai or kickboxing
| fights. So you had to figure out things for yourself very slowly
| instead of seeing how the world class guys do it. Today's youth
| can watch the best in the sport from all history and learn things
| way faster.
|
| So I expect the next generations of athletes to have way better
| knowledge of the sport and just be way better.
|
| Same in music. I had a drummer friend who had one tape of Neil
| Peart of Rush. He studied this in and out. Today you can find
| recordings of all the greats easily and see how they do it. This
| will take off years of the learning curve.
| FlyMoreRockets wrote:
| Tetris is another great example of how competitors are using
| YouTube to rapidly progress in skill.
|
| https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-revol...
| ariwilson wrote:
| Jonas Neubauer
| (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Neubauer), the elder
| statesman of the sport, openly shared and encouraged this
| behavior. Really an amazing community.
| psychomugs wrote:
| He seemed like a really genuine guy, there couldn't have
| been a better representative for the competitive scene.
| yuy910616 wrote:
| I learned a lot about knots and anchors on Youtube, and as a
| climber sometimes my life depends on it.
|
| But of course you should take actual lessons from instructors
| before using youtube as a resource.
| yupper32 wrote:
| I feel like people are too afraid of saying that you can
| learn dangerous topics without a proper teacher. IMO it holds
| people back.
|
| I'm a completely self taught outdoor climber (with the
| exception of a lead belay course indoors) and have worked up
| to some pretty advanced stuff. Trad, big wall, self-rescue,
| etc.
|
| Youtube was a big part of that. You can watch videos
| published by authoritative sources, cross reference them with
| books, etc. and get a very good understanding of a topic.
| Even when your life is on the line.
|
| Then you can start branching out once you know the building
| blocks. Some rando on Youtube is showing you how to build
| some new-to-you self-equalizing anchor? Well they're just
| using the knots and concepts you already know from the
| authoritative sources. You can verify it's safe yourself, and
| then judge the usefulness.
| yuy910616 wrote:
| But are you the exception or are you the norm? I agree that
| if you seek out the right information - you can learn about
| all the safety concepts. I would say climbing is fairly
| intuitive and follows some basic rules.
|
| But I've seen my fair share of people setting up american
| death triangle or threading ropes directly through the
| metal anchor. I've seen people using daisy chains as
| personal anchor device or taking hands off the grigri.
|
| I fall on the side of holding people back is better - but
| who knows, maybe not
| yupper32 wrote:
| > But I've seen my fair share of people setting up
| american death triangle or threading ropes directly
| through the metal anchor.
|
| Do you think these people have spent even a second doing
| any actual research on Youtube or otherwise, though? I
| have a hard time believing there are any Youtube videos
| suggesting the use of the American Death Triangle or
| threading ropes through the fixed anchor chains. Not
| using a daisy chain as a personal anchor is basically a
| meme at this point in any climbing forums.
|
| In that case, it seems like the real thing to suggest is
| that people not just go out there and wing it. It's not
| that Youtube has failed them in that case, it's that they
| didn't even use it.
| huge87 wrote:
| I'm learning how to drive a Porsche 911 cup car in sim.
|
| There's this guy on YouTube who races the car in both real life
| and iRacing, and he explains how he drives the car fast in both
| contexts.
|
| His insights probably saved me a lot of work of figuring it out
| myself.
| XCSme wrote:
| Not only that, but for example for table tennis there are
| hundreds of high-quality teachers showing you the basics of the
| sport, sharing tips on how to get better, giving you
| professional advice on how to train and much more.
|
| It is a lot easier nowadays to go from completely new to decent
| or even "good" in a specific domain by following some simple
| visual instructions.
| xNeil wrote:
| Any channels you might recommend?
| varrock wrote:
| Also, the ability to observe professional athletes in high
| definition. When I was first getting into tennis, I found it
| incredibly useful to see the best in the world practicing 4k
| 60fps [0].
|
| 0: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMa5xHfJlBg
| hugey010 wrote:
| As a part-time tennis pro. The combined benefits of watching
| the best in the world and then comparing it to a video of
| yourself playing is tremendous for most people.
| INTPenis wrote:
| I just thought the other day that we won't need schools as much
| in the future. Teachers could just record material, or use pre-
| recorded material, to teach students online.
|
| And then young people could take jobs earlier, in their teens,
| and learn about the world and find out what their interests are
| instead of regurgitating the same answers for the same old
| assignments over and over.
|
| Find an interest, turn it into a job, be a bit happier.
|
| Or just study and settle for something, either way I think there
| should be more freedom for young adults now with the internet.
| showerst wrote:
| I don't think Youtube is all that great for learning the kind
| of structured basics they teach in school.
|
| Many people are self-motivated enough to watch videos on
| woodworking or sports or video game production. Less so for
| algebra or grammar, but these are important base skills.
|
| This is part of why all the online course websites have such
| abysmal completion rates.
| bluGill wrote:
| Who dreams of being a trash collector? Taking trash to the
| landfill.
|
| That is why your dreams will fail: there are unexciting things
| that need to be done for society to function.
| zpeti wrote:
| If you're the only person willing to collect trash, people
| will pay you a lot of money to do it, and you'll have a much
| nicer house, car, holiday, or whatever you want to spend it
| on.
|
| Markets are great.
|
| Felix Dennis: one of the richest people in the Uk got rich by
| digging holes and putting waste in it. And selling the dirt.
| LeonB wrote:
| Really? I know of him as... Oz Trials, hobbyist computer
| magazines, publishing, lots of publishing, but digging
| holes and putting waste in it?
| samtho wrote:
| Not everyone has specific dreams, rather their dream may be
| being in an essential role, part of a good team, etc.
| Anecdotally, I've met a number of people working in solid
| waste and every single one of them loved their job with one
| citing specifically that they are done before 1pm every day
| and have an entire afternoon to spend with their family or
| with their hobbies.
| csa wrote:
| There are many high school students who would _love_ to be
| earning a decent income as a trash collector rather than
| sitting in a modified prison doing stuff that won't impact
| their life in any positive way.
| BurningFrog wrote:
| Lots of people dream of making good money without studying
| for years.
|
| Trash collection just needs to pay enough, and those people
| will do the work.
| PaulDavisThe1st wrote:
| When I was a kid, I thought that basic economics implied
| that the jobs people didn't want to do would be the ones
| that paid the most, and the jobs that people would do even
| if they didn't get paid would pay the least.
|
| At 57, I realize that I didn't grasp the issue of the level
| of skill and/or education required to do a given job, and
| the distribution of that within the population.
|
| Still ....
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