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       Show HN: Side Quest - An aggregator for not full-time tech jobs
        
       Author : ryry
       Score  : 265 points
       Date   : 2021-07-06 14:59 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (sidequestjobs.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (sidequestjobs.com)
        
       | jokethrowaway wrote:
       | Great idea!
       | 
       | I feel like there is a gap in the market for experiences
       | engineers who want to work for good rates on well defined
       | projects and occasionally (less than 1 month) and don't bother
       | with client management.
       | 
       | I've seen some people charge good hourly rates on Upwork but from
       | talking to them there is a lot of friction / time spent in
       | managing clients, chasing payments, filtering out all the low
       | paid jobs.
       | 
       | It would be nice to have a platform that does product / client
       | management for you and just use you for your coding skills.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Yeah I actually built this after having a bit of frustration
         | trying out freelancing platforms. What surprised me is as a
         | freelancer, on some of them, I have to pay to apply to gigs. I
         | mean I get it, but it still doesn't seem right.
        
       | conjectures wrote:
       | +1 Just for the name. Side quest is exactly what such a thing
       | should be called.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Thanks! I play a little too much wow during the pandemic.
        
         | ourcat wrote:
         | Hmm.. It'a already the name of quite a popular side-loading
         | app/store for VR games. https://sidequestvr.com/
        
           | andyroid wrote:
           | Yeah. It's also used in some RPG games to denote quests which
           | are done independently of the main quest.
        
             | anoncake wrote:
             | Pretty sure that's the origin.
        
           | nitrogen wrote:
           | It's a pretty generic term, though.
        
           | ryry wrote:
           | I saw this, but not until after I had purchased the domain. I
           | always get too excited and commit before researching.
        
       | takenpilot wrote:
       | Useful. Bookmarking to watch.
        
       | gumbo wrote:
       | The toggles filters are driving me nuts, as it stands, it unclear
       | what the checked state is. One would assume that when the
       | "handle" is on the right side, however, the color coding suggest
       | otherwise. Congrats on your launch.
        
       | the_lonely_road wrote:
       | I wish you the best of luck and will be keeping a bookmark to
       | check back frequently. I would love some part time work but
       | having done the consultant grind for a long time I'm just
       | exhausted by the process of finding it. I would love a
       | marketplace I could keep tabs on and pick things up when they
       | make since.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Thanks! And I feel you. Occasionally I've wanted to pick up
         | some stuff part-time for some extra cash and finding it is few
         | and far between.
         | 
         | I created a mail-chimp subscription which I'll get up and
         | running as soon as I figure out how, but anyone can sign up
         | now.
         | 
         | I'm hoping to get a ton more filters though so people can only
         | get notified about positions that actually interest them.
        
       | ashdev wrote:
       | I really like the name. It immediately reminded of the side
       | quests in RPG games to get more experience. And this is exactly
       | that. Good job.
        
       | MikusR wrote:
       | Not to be confused with 1st google result for "side quest":
       | https://sidequestvr.com/
        
       | sanmak wrote:
       | Great idea mate! Kudos for building this!
        
       | mandelbrotwurst wrote:
       | Thanks for making this! Would you mind sharing what sources this
       | looks at, or are you keeping that proprietary?
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | A few I'd like to keep to myself, but if you poke around it's
         | obviously no secret that stack overflow contributes a fair bit.
         | 
         | The code is some frankenstein monster of a few failed projects
         | I've created over the years, but so far it's doing its job!
        
           | dang wrote:
           | If you're using HN Who Is Hiring threads as a source at all,
           | we ask people to link back to the original posts when they do
           | that.
           | 
           | I feel like that's a good and fair practice in general when
           | copying content on the web, but obviously what you do with
           | other sources is between you and them.
        
       | tomcam wrote:
       | Love this idea. I just went through a painful search for someone
       | and finally found a good match (I think), but it would've been
       | fantastic to have this a few weeks ago. I look forward to trying
       | it out sometime
        
       | prawn wrote:
       | Always thought that someone should do something like this but for
       | part-time marketing/comms/content jobs. I'm sure there are men in
       | the following position too, but in my circles there are loads of
       | 30-40yo women returning to work after maternity leave and looking
       | for 2-3 days/week, often in marketing and related jobs.
       | 
       | On the other side of the coin, there'd be a lot of small
       | businesses sick of paying an agency but unable to justify a full-
       | time role. Great match, IMO.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | I suspect a fair few of the short to long-term contract
         | positions I see advertised are to cover someone's parental
         | leave.
         | 
         | Content though definitely. I tend to see more short-term/part-
         | time content creation positions than I do eng ones.
        
         | the_lonely_road wrote:
         | This rarely works in fields where they hire full time salary
         | employees. The reason being that the part time employee is
         | still very expensive in a lot of fixed 'per employee' cost
         | areas like hardware and licenses combined with the fact that
         | the full time salary person is supposed to be available to get
         | the job done even it that involves some overtime or just off
         | hours work, things part time people are notorious for being
         | unable to do (the reason they wanted part time in the first
         | place, they are unavailable).
         | 
         | This really narrows the scope of what employers are willing to
         | hire part time for. Contractors are usually called instead.
        
           | IshKebab wrote:
           | I think hardware and licenses are minimal costs in most
           | businesses. Desk space is probably more. But I think even
           | that isn't the real reason businesses like full time. It's
           | probably cultural, not wanting to have to hire loads of
           | people, and the difficulty of splitting some jobs between
           | multiple people.
        
           | uranium wrote:
           | It's worked for me for the past 10 years, part-time in
           | engineering at Google, Makani, and Elemeno Health. Not
           | wanting or being able to work a lot of hours doesn't
           | necessarily mean not being flexible on hours. I've known a
           | number of other part-time people at e.g. Google, and they
           | were generally people I'd trust to get stuff done. Often
           | they're time-management _masters_ , due to necessity.
           | 
           | Sure, there's more overhead per working hour. But there's
           | also more mulling-things-over-in-the-shower time per working
           | hour, so for creative work, one can be a lot more effective
           | than you'd think. I also get more sleep and do all my
           | appointments and errands in non-working hours, which improves
           | my duty cycle and performance.
        
           | prawn wrote:
           | I'm talking small business. Hardware would be employee's own
           | laptop. Software in those fields would be a pittance.
           | 
           | If I was a bastard who wanted value for money, I'd hire those
           | part-time mums. From what I've seen, they end up feeling
           | obliged to work out of hours, so you'd effectively get 0.8
           | FTE while paying for 0.4-0.6. Roles like social media or
           | content writing with scheduling involved instantly creeps
           | into days off. Horrible approach from an employer, but like I
           | said, if I was a bastard.
        
             | stevesearer wrote:
             | On the flip side, if you want the best part-time moms, pay
             | well, supply the hardware, and be very flexible with when
             | work hours happen.
        
       | xondono wrote:
       | This type of site is what always has me considering moving "up"
       | in the stack.
       | 
       | Remote work on either hardware or systems level programming
       | (embedded) is almost non existent. Remote and not full-time is
       | even rarer.
        
         | jlokier wrote:
         | > Remote work on either hardware or systems level programming
         | (embedded) is almost non existent. Remote and not full-time is
         | even rarer.
         | 
         | The trick is to do such things as your own business, i.e.
         | freelancing or consulting (t's all in how you present it),
         | doing projects for clients.
         | 
         | This can definitely work for hardware and systems level
         | programming.
         | 
         | Then you set your own schedule and your own rules, and clients
         | don't even expect you to come to their office. They expect you
         | to have your own, and the "home office" engineering consultant
         | is quite common.
        
         | protomok wrote:
         | SaaS could be a good transition, there are quite a few SaaS
         | shops using C++ for example. Or possibly backend if you're
         | willing to do some cloud based side projects.
         | 
         | Embedded is a lot of fun but IMHO there is more opportunity and
         | compensation up the stack.
        
       | diyseguy wrote:
       | part-time tech work sounds like a good idea, but it seems to me
       | most serious tech jobs can't be done part time
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | It's definitely not the norm, but I'm willing to bet it'll
         | become more common especially after the pandemic.
         | 
         | That said - it's not just part-time jobs I'm curating, but
         | full-time contract positions too!
        
       | jjice wrote:
       | Love the concept. I'm fresh out of college, so I'm more than
       | happy with full time work at the moment, but I'm definitely
       | hoping to FIRE (or more like FIPT) within 10 or so years if
       | things go well. Working 20 hours a week sounds fantastic. Enough
       | to give me something to do on a regular basis, but also enough to
       | let me do whatever I want to do, whether that be freelance
       | development, or a new hobby.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Best of luck! I spent most of my twenties using all the cash I
         | had on travelling. I don't regret it at all, but some of my
         | friends showed me their retirement accounts recently and I'm
         | definitely a little concerned.
         | 
         | I'd love if North America would get behind the 4 day work week.
         | I might even make a category for employers offering that.
        
       | tppiotrowski wrote:
       | I worked for a company once that was very remote friendly. You
       | could disappear for a month and then pop into Slack and ask,
       | what's next in the issues queue? Then work on issues for however
       | long you wanted, billed hourly at a generous rate. Several times
       | I disappeared for weeks to travel and climb and was always
       | welcomed back.
       | 
       | That company was minting money and wasn't worried about
       | deadlines. I wish more work was structured this way.
        
         | rrggnnlldd wrote:
         | Wow that sounds great. Were you be able to charge overtime?
         | 
         | And since you said "worked", what made you decide to stop
         | popping back to the issues queue at this particular org?
        
           | tppiotrowski wrote:
           | I never hit 40 hours a week. Thirty seemed like a good
           | balance between work/life. Eventually, working on a CRUD app
           | didn't peak my interest anymore and I moved onto some other
           | projects. Company was sold a few years later.
        
             | mrkurt wrote:
             | How did you track your time? I kind of love this idea but
             | time tracking is a pain in the ass. Seems like maybe you
             | could use "day" or "half day" granularity?
        
         | JoshTriplett wrote:
         | What was the company?
        
           | tppiotrowski wrote:
           | It was a crypto exchange during a BTC boom period (2016-2017)
        
         | vsareto wrote:
         | Oh good lord, just when I think I've found the perfect job, you
         | have to go and shatter my comfortable illusions!
        
           | tppiotrowski wrote:
           | There is greener grass to be found everywhere. It tends to
           | wilt once you find it.
        
       | ryry wrote:
       | Hey all!
       | 
       | I recently had some personal stuff which made it necessary for me
       | to cut back on the hourly commitment I could make to work, but
       | found it difficult to find contract, part-time, freelance
       | (anything not full-time) jobs through traditional means, so I
       | built sidequestjobs.
       | 
       | It's an aggregator, so it gets jobs from various sources and
       | curates them into part time, freelance, or contract based
       | positions. I'm hoping to add more sources over the next coming
       | weeks, but I wanted to post it to get some feedback now.
       | 
       | Thanks for checking it out!
        
       | endlessvoid94 wrote:
       | This is such a great idea.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Thanks! If you have any feedback on what to change/add/remove
         | I'm happy to hear it!
        
           | mtm112 wrote:
           | I'd probably add geographic filters to the front page if you
           | can - I'm guessing a bulk of the positions are remote, but
           | not everyone may have the ability to hire or manage
           | intercontinentally even in that case.
        
       | BoysenberryPi wrote:
       | This is very timely for me so thanks for making it. Looking to
       | cut back on my work hours and would like to find something part-
       | time.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | I think there's a fair few of us looking to do the same. The
         | pandemic caused a huge shift in how I approach everything in
         | life.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | Looks pretty cool.
       | 
       | Also looks like a lot of companies are using it to find FT
       | employees.
       | 
       | If so, you are saving them a lot of money on recruiter fees.
       | 
       | Good job!
        
         | blacktriangle wrote:
         | Makes sense. Interviewing is a dumpsterfire. The only reliable
         | way I've ever seen hiring work is to actually work with
         | somebody on a project while paying them a fair market rate.
         | Anything that faciliates that type of relationship, like for
         | example having a bunch of developers working non-full time is
         | the closest thing to an answer for hiring there is.
        
       | runawaybottle wrote:
       | Interesting, I didn't know big companies like eBay would actually
       | consider a part time employee. Do they really mean that, or are
       | they signaling they seek an intern/student?
       | 
       | The availability of part time work always felt like a package
       | that included a tiny shop, cheap clients, and insane amount of
       | cheap international labor competition, and only available through
       | platforms that promote all three things (upwork, etc).
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | I've got a feeling some of the posts that do mention "part-
         | time" are just signalling, which is why I have a ton of them
         | marked "part-time possible" instead of just part-time.
         | 
         | If you have any better classification ideas I'm open to hearing
         | them too!
        
       | BoxOfRain wrote:
       | I'll definitely keep an eye on this! Much appreciated.
        
       | dreyfan wrote:
       | Full-time remote jobs don't require a full-time commitment
        
         | the_lonely_road wrote:
         | A lot of us have integrity. We would like part time work but
         | are not willing to lie and steal from our employer to get it.
        
           | dreyfan wrote:
           | Employers are generally paying for your output not the hours
           | spent.
        
             | readonthegoapp wrote:
             | I doubt that this is true.
             | 
             | And I'm not sure workers would want it to be true.
             | 
             | We know about the warehouse bots hounding humans into
             | subservience/defeat.
             | 
             | I'm guessing the other bots are right behind -- just not
             | quite as popular yet.
        
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             | anoncake wrote:
             | That would be awful considering how hard it is to measure a
             | developer's output.
        
             | codegeek wrote:
             | Depends on the job. If you are in customer support, I don't
             | want you to be working for another company and switch back
             | and forth if you are full time employee. I want you
             | focussed 100% on my company and hence you are paid as a
             | full time employee.
             | 
             | Also, legally you are bound to work for a company according
             | to contracts. I don't want you working for another company
             | on the company's time. It introduces potential liability
             | and risks especially if you are remote.
        
               | dreyfan wrote:
               | This is HN. It's a bunch of entitled mediocre programmers
               | copy-pasting from stack overflow or automating the
               | process via copilot. We're not talking about your average
               | wage slave.
        
               | jlokier wrote:
               | > Also, legally you are bound to work for a company
               | according to contracts. I don't want you working for
               | another company on the company's time. It introduces
               | potential liability and risks especially if you are
               | remote.
               | 
               | Just on this point, what you say is common but it's not
               | universal. A lot depends on the type of contract.
               | 
               | I'm working full time at the moment. Yet my contract is
               | structured to allow me to work on other companies' work
               | if I want. And I control my time. It's quite explicit.
               | 
               | That clarity has a real positive payoff for both me and
               | the company I'm working for. I'm more enthusiastic about
               | the work in large part because this arrangement is
               | compatible with me keeping open several research projects
               | on ths side, and I'm confident if they lead anywhere,
               | there isn't a conflict - and that the company people
               | recognise this.
               | 
               | They wouldn't want me not working on the company's
               | projects or not acting as a responsible person. But the
               | whole attitude is to assume I am and support that in an
               | adult-to-adult way. I really like that I feel we could
               | talk freely about outside business interests at work.
               | 
               | It helps a lot that this is a mission-oriented open
               | source company.
               | 
               | TL;DR it does depend on the job, but it's not an
               | inevitable fact that remote work contracts bind a
               | person's time exclusively, even during hours worked.
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | True enough, but a fair few require at least some commitment
         | every day. For some that's not as easy of a commitment to make,
         | but I totally see your point.
        
         | codingdave wrote:
         | Sure they do - even if the workload does not demand that I sit
         | in my chair in front of my screen all day, I do need to be
         | committed to be available. If a project hits a crunch, or some
         | crisis arises, and I say that I'm too busy with other
         | commitments to do my job, that is a major problem.
        
         | Sanguinaire wrote:
         | They shouldn't, but it's clear we're not at that stage of
         | societal development quite yet.
        
         | jrsj wrote:
         | I could quite easily do 2 full time jobs simultaneously except
         | that it would be impossible to get them not to schedule
         | overlapping meetings. Wish I had a reliable way around that
         | because I'd love to get paid twice as much for working maybe
         | 50% more since I typically have a decent amount of idle time
         | within a 9-5
        
       | soco wrote:
       | Congratulations, I love it! To me it would be very valuable to
       | have a filter on location requirements - if you have such
       | information available of course. Like, who needs office presence
       | (and where), who is okay part-time, who is offering full
       | remote... but once again, great thing!
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Great idea. I'll get on this. Thanks!
        
       | rexyg wrote:
       | Fantastic name
        
       | sepbot wrote:
       | I wish recruitment platforms would start classifying the level of
       | remoteness instead of a blanket remote allowed statement.
       | 
       | These days remote often means work from home due to COVID in the
       | time zone of the physical office. Presumably won't be remote
       | forever.
       | 
       | Remote used to mean people would be working asynchronously, and
       | it didn't matter where you were physically situated and what
       | hours of the day you were online. Obviously this only tends to
       | work for places that are results driven as opposed to ones that
       | care about the number of hours you put in.
        
         | gota wrote:
         | Good point. I imagine there must be ongoing research to define
         | the most relevant (frequent, desirable) "classes" of remote
         | work.
         | 
         | If there's isn't, then large moderated communities like HN and
         | Stackoverflow are in an unique position to survey folks and
         | help define these classes. If the "Who's Hiring" threads here
         | adopted a "remote work classification" catalogue, I think it'd
         | catch on easily
        
       | GekkePrutser wrote:
       | Lol I thought that this was a spinoff of the sidequest app for
       | the oculus quest (which is kind of an app store - really the main
       | none for unofficial content).
       | 
       | Even though the name is very well chosen, expect this confusion
       | to come up more...
        
         | ryry wrote:
         | Yep definitely. I'm thinking I'll brand it specifically as
         | "Side Quest Jobs", and hopefully that'll create enough
         | differentiation.
        
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