[HN Gopher] Hoard-of-bitfonts: bitmap fonts from disused operati...
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       Hoard-of-bitfonts: bitmap fonts from disused operating systems
        
       Author : lnyan
       Score  : 123 points
       Date   : 2021-07-08 15:51 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (github.com)
        
       | pininja wrote:
       | These fonts are super fun to browse through! I have had an eink
       | display and Arduino setup for about a year and finding a fun
       | bitmap font to use was a big headache.
       | 
       | Espy_Sans_10.yaff from the old Apple Mac looks great!
        
       | ourcat wrote:
       | I'm tempted to write something to help convert these for using in
       | various U8g2/GFX libraries for micro-controllers. (I like
       | building LED matrix/screens.)
       | 
       | It seems monobit only supports reading C/C++ fonts.
        
         | joombaga wrote:
         | You may find this useful/inspirational.
         | 
         | https://github.com/ropg/truetype2gfx
         | 
         | I've been using it for my Watchy (an esp32 that uses Adafruit
         | GFX).
        
       | unnah wrote:
       | Huh. Apparently the default Amiga Topaz font was redesigned for
       | Kickstart ROM 2.0 without changing the name of the font. Compared
       | to the old version, the new Topaz font does look rather generic.
        
         | LocalH wrote:
         | Topaz 1.x is basically a slightly modified IBM BIOS font. Topaz
         | 2.x may _look_ more generic but it's not so blatantly a copy of
         | any other such font that I'm aware of. Sort of like how the
         | Atari 8-bit and Commodore 64 have identical lowercase
         | characters.
        
       | phkahler wrote:
       | I still have my original Interact computer which is not listed.
       | The text on that is 5x5 pixel characters with 1 pixel in between,
       | so 6x6 but the gap is not encoded in the font. Only upper case
       | characters were supported. The font is not in a separate prom,
       | it's in the main 2K eprom along with the tape read/write
       | functions and some very simple keyboard scanning and pixel, box,
       | and text rendering functions. I think a ROM dump exists somewhere
       | online, so with the above description someone should be able to
       | locate the character set easily enough. Probably the worst one
       | you'll ever see.
        
         | tenebrisalietum wrote:
         | I think the DEC VT05 font is similar, but I can't even find any
         | good closeup pictures of the screen (just ones that show the
         | whole unit, but don't really show the detail of the screen).
        
           | GekkePrutser wrote:
           | Did you ever use a real VT05?
           | 
           | I love serial terminals and I love the design of the VT05
           | (even though I know it's wayy too deep for a modern desk).
           | It's just so cool and futuristic in a 70s star trek kind of
           | way.
           | 
           | I also heard it wasn't simply a small microcomputer, it had
           | everything in discrete logic on many PCBs which seems to be
           | why it was so big. Really cool. I'd love to see one some day.
           | 
           | I volunteered at a computer museum that had a lot of DEC
           | stuff but we had nothing older in terms of DEC terminal sthan
           | VT100s. I still own an amber VT520 (though from the Boundless
           | era after the terminal business was sold by DEC)
        
         | Someone wrote:
         | Looking at the screen shots in https://www.old-
         | computers.com/museum/software_detail.asp?st=..., it doesn't
         | look bad.
         | 
         | Of course, those are lying. https://www.old-
         | computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=100... says "The
         | Interact shipped with 2 joysticks, a built-in tape recorder, a
         | TV RF modulator and 2 KB of ROM".
         | 
         | So, in real life, those characters were filtered through a NTSC
         | tv signal.
         | 
         | Also, the last comment on https://www.old-
         | computers.com/museum/doc.asp?c=1004 claims _"It had no
         | character generator, formin it 's large letters from graphic
         | routines."_ That seems to imply all characters were drawn
         | procedurally, not from a bitmap font. I find that unlikely. Can
         | that be done in less memory than a generic blitter would use?
         | 
         | There even is a link to emulators on https://www.old-
         | computers.com/museum/emulator.asp?c=1004&st=.... One of them
         | led me to http://dchector.free.fr/link.html, which has a few
         | emulators for (AFAIK) obscure systems such as "Thomson MO5NR,
         | Thomson MO6 & Olivetti Prodest PC128" and
         | http://dchector.free.fr/download/interact_rom.zip, which,
         | presumably, is the ROM for this system.
        
           | megameter wrote:
           | The term "character generator" in video specifically refers
           | to hardware that overlays text onto the video signal. That
           | is, in this case it's not a "text mode", it's a bitmap
           | graphics mode used for text, which appears likely just going
           | by the screenshots. There weren't many computer systems
           | taking this approach in 1978, since any bitmap mode would be
           | RAM-hungry, so they were usually either text
           | centric(Commodore PET) or had both text and graphics modes
           | and hybrids(Apple II, Atari).
        
           | LocalH wrote:
           | It probably means the hardware had no dedicated text mode
           | with a separate character ROM, but that the software would
           | draw the bitmaps to the graphics screen itself.
        
         | LocalH wrote:
         | Reminds me of the Fairchild Channel F font a bit
        
       | makeworld wrote:
       | Might also be of interest:
       | 
       | https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/
        
       | Propolice wrote:
       | Nice catalog. I also prefer bitmap fonts for terminals on low DPI
       | and even 32" 4K monitors. The OLDSCHOOL PC FONT RESOURCE is a
       | treasure trove.
        
         | AnthonBerg wrote:
         | Ditto!! I'm hooked on the 8x8 high-fantasy font EagleSpCGA Alt3
         | from the Ultimate PC Font Pack. I use it everywhere.
         | 
         | Well, almost everywhere. The square font tends to break certain
         | application layouts. So those get an 8x14 IBM VGA font.
        
       | jes5199 wrote:
       | somewhere I have the bitmaps for Zenith/Heathkit Z100 series
       | system fonts. I guess I should dig them up
        
       | soperj wrote:
       | My first thought on looking at a few fonts was why bother, but as
       | I started to go through more of them, there are some really nice
       | ideas there.
        
       | GnarfGnarf wrote:
       | Need Xerox 9700 laser printer fonts (ca. 1979). 300 DPI fonts,
       | one font file per point size. "Font" files could also store
       | logos. Max 512 x 128 pixels per character.
        
       | rbanffy wrote:
       | How do you dare to call these operating systems and computers
       | "disused"?!
        
         | anthk wrote:
         | Except Mac OS 7-9 (media production because a patched Mac OS 9
         | under a G4 is beast) and DOS (expensive ad-hoc industrial
         | hardware), most computer/OSes aren't used to anything but
         | retrogaming/retroemulation except with some niches with the
         | Atari STE/FreeMint communities.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | Well... in my house the only use the Windows box gets is
           | gaming and I wouldn't call it "disused". It's a horrible
           | kludge, but not "disused".
           | 
           | By far the most fun computer in the house is the C64 Maxi
           | Commodore recreation. Endless hours of fun.
        
           | kzrdude wrote:
           | So somewhere out there there are people sticking to Mac OS 9?
           | Or earlier? That's rad
        
             | anthk wrote:
             | Yes because the input latency on os9 under a G4 it's almost
             | inexistent. There are unnoficial patches for media
             | production:
             | 
             | http://macos9lives.com/
             | 
             | http://macos9lives.com/mac%20os%209%20lives_005.htm
             | 
             | I am more like a Void/OpenBSD guy with Unix and CLI tools,
             | but people keeping old machines being useful it's always
             | good.
        
               | rbanffy wrote:
               | Unix is wonderfully useful. I can run my applications on
               | the Linux server in the shed and have the GUI on my
               | laptop using X. I can do the same from a G3 iMac or an
               | IBM RS/6000.
        
       | whoopdedo wrote:
       | A similar project is the Retro Computing fonts from
       | KreativeKorp[1].
       | 
       | [1] http://www.kreativekorp.com/software/fonts/index.shtml
        
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