[HN Gopher] Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as resid...
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       Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed
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       Author : privateprofile
       Score  : 83 points
       Date   : 2021-07-21 21:22 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | 11thEarlOfMar wrote:
       | This was recently discussed on HN:
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       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27859115
        
       | LatteLazy wrote:
       | Researchers find correlation assume causation...
        
         | ineptech wrote:
         | I think your beef is with the author of the headline, not the
         | study.
        
         | agallant wrote:
         | We use difference-in-difference models (Eq (1)) to test whether
         | a rise in the prevalence of Airbnb in a census tract in one
         | year predicts increases in crime and disorder in the following
         | year.       ...       The models control for tract-level and
         | year fixed effects. In order to make the parameter estimates
         | that follow more interpretable, we note that the average census
         | tract in the average year experienced 11.32 events of private
         | conflict, 7.68 events of public social disorder, and 28.58
         | events of public violence per 1,000 residents.
         | 
         | https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjourn...
         | 
         | I've not dug into the study enough to vouch for its quality as
         | a whole - but it's clear the researchers are plenty aware of
         | the differences between correlation and causation and are at
         | least attempting to address them. This is actually often the
         | case with scientific papers, even if it's lost in the media
         | coverage of them.
        
           | colinmhayes wrote:
           | Is it fair to say "a rise in the prevalence of Airbnb in a
           | census tract in one year predicts increases in crime and
           | disorder in the following year."? Probably yea, that just
           | implies a correlation. Is it fair to say "airbnb raises
           | violent crime in cities"? I think you'd need an rct for that
           | one.
        
             | agallant wrote:
             | The sentence you're concerned with is the headline of the
             | article, but isn't found in the original paper. Here's how
             | they close their abstract:                 This result
             | supports the notion that the prevalence of Airbnb listings
             | erodes the natural ability of a neighborhood to prevent
             | crime, but does not support the interpretation that
             | elevated numbers of tourists bring crime with them.
             | 
             | "Supports the notion" is a far more nuanced statement, I'd
             | say.
             | 
             | And again - I'm just responding to the idea that saying
             | "correlation is not causation" can allow one to dismiss any
             | statistical study. The study may have flaws, may overstate
             | its results, could be completely terrible in fact - but the
             | people who did it know about correlation and causation, and
             | refuting them requires going deeper than that. In general,
             | it requires looking at their paper, not the news coverage
             | of it.
        
               | mc32 wrote:
               | It's possible it might mean fewer long-time residents
               | means fewer people knowing the state and characteristics
               | of a neighborhood and thus fewer people to notice
               | patterns and know what's out of place and not, so fewer
               | people to intervene against anti-social behavior and
               | fewer people calling the cops, so it goes down hill. A
               | tourist might not care about antisocial behavior that
               | does not affect them. Mugging, breaking and entering,
               | theft, etc. Whereas locals would have a stake in the
               | health of their neighborhood and intervene.
        
               | Retric wrote:
               | Many properties spending significant time empty seems
               | like another huge issue.
        
           | gowld wrote:
           | Not really. The article cites wild speculation made by the
           | study authors:
           | 
           | "The large-scale conversion of housing units into short-term
           | rentals undermines a neighborhood's social organization, and
           | in turn its natural ability...to counteract and discourage
           | crime,"
           | 
           | and the research reeks of p-hacking and non-reproducibility:
           | 
           | Spain:                 >"It encourages the concentration of
           | tourists who, due to their characteristics, are suitable
           | targets for victimisation," Maldonado-Guzman said.
           | 
           | but in Boston:
           | 
           | > The researchers found that there was a positive correlation
           | between higher penetration of Airbnb properties in an area -
           | for example buildings containing multiple Airbnb lets - and a
           | rise in violence. However, crime types associated with rowdy
           | visitors, like drunkenness and noise complaints, as well as
           | private conflicts, did not increase.
           | 
           | > "It's not the number of Airbnb tourists who stay in a
           | neighborhood that causes an increase in criminal activities,"
           | said Professor Babak Heydari from Northeastern University.
        
             | agallant wrote:
             | Again, not vouching for the study as a whole - and agreed
             | that scientists can get a bit "creative" when trying to
             | actually describe and motivate causal mechanisms (in their
             | defense, a very hard problem).
             | 
             | But I'm just talking about the statistics here, and
             | specifically that saying "correlation is not causation" is
             | a bit overused. Researchers know about it too, those four
             | words don't magically dismiss all statistical studies. Most
             | modern statistical approaches are explicitly built to try
             | and help address these sorts of concerns.
             | 
             | There could well be other flaws with their statistics, and
             | even if there is causation they could be failing at
             | theoretically motivating or connecting it to their overall
             | narrative. But it takes more than four words to make that
             | case.
             | 
             | EDIT - just acknowledging that you've since edited your
             | comment to add concerns about p-hacking and
             | reproducibility. And that may be the case - but it wasn't
             | what I was responding to in my initial comment.
        
               | disabled wrote:
               | > But I'm just talking about the statistics here, and
               | specifically that saying "correlation is not causation"
               | is a bit overused.
               | 
               | I think that term has erupted into popularity with the
               | widespread adoption of AI, which is intellectually
               | bankrupt. With AI you can find correlation between
               | things, and draw a very basic rudimentary conclusion, but
               | never actually know why this happens (the causation), in
               | this day and age.
               | 
               | For example, let's apply an unethical use of AI. Let's
               | say an individual goes to the grocery store weekly and
               | buys a dozen eggs and 1 container of dry shampoo (for
               | washing your hair without water), every single week for
               | the past 2 months. With AI and the hoarding of data, it
               | can be found that this individual is going to die in the
               | next 6 months to a 95% confidence interval.
               | 
               | You get harassing ads during this, even if you are not
               | going to die. The ads, of course, in this day and age,
               | play into your hopes and fears anyways, which is abusive.
        
               | in_cahoots wrote:
               | It's an overused phrase because it's so often true. The
               | analysis acknowledges the possibility of confounding
               | variables but only makes a weak attempt to address it,
               | using demographic info, income, and homeownership rates.
               | This is the definition of a correlational approach. And
               | to make matters worse they throw in some hypothesizing
               | about Airbnb eroding the 'local social dynamic'.
               | 
               | 'Causal linkage' is great in theory. In reality it often
               | shows directionality but not causality. This is a prime
               | example.
        
               | agallant wrote:
               | So, you're saying because past research has been
               | correlated with causality violations, we should just
               | assume it's the case when we see claims of this sort? ;)
               | 
               | More seriously - I'm well aware of the difficulties of
               | causality, and use causal direction as a great
               | illustration of them. As I've said in pretty much every
               | comment here - I'm not championing the study, I simply
               | haven't done a deep enough pass to have a strong opinion,
               | and it may have any number of subtle flaws (off the cuff
               | my biggest concern is that they're focused on one city,
               | and I'd like to see similar results elsewhere, preferably
               | in different geographic areas and cultures).
               | 
               | In other words, yes - more controls like you said. But I
               | am responding to the overuse of a simple statistical
               | argument in the face of studies that, whatever flaws they
               | have, are not cases of "the researcher forgot the
               | controls." Demographics, income, and homeownership are
               | actually not bad features to have I'd say, and again it
               | seems like most of the large claims bothering people are
               | from the coverage and not the research. It'd be nice for
               | people claiming to refute research to read what they're
               | refuting.
        
       | DoubleDerper wrote:
       | The AirBnb "effect" has directly led to increased home prices. A
       | home turning a profit thus becomes more important than how its
       | guests impact a neighborhood and community. Ignoring or spinning
       | the social costs is a primary goal of Airbnb's PR machine. It has
       | made many neighborhoods more transitory (i.e. less homesteading,
       | more short term rentals). Acknowledge the social costs to
       | community and it's not surprising to read that violent crime
       | rates are trending up where AirBnbs thrive.
        
         | trident5000 wrote:
         | We had anti-hoarding measures on masks but dont seem to have
         | them on homes. Every additional income property you own (and
         | used as such) should have an escalating hoarding penalty.
        
           | tehjoker wrote:
           | These penalties are never high enough to actually discourage
           | the behavior. It's better to just ban accumulating more than
           | X homes, where X could be as low as 1.
        
             | trident5000 wrote:
             | Im good with that idea on investment properties. Though I
             | have no issue with people having vacation homes. Theres a
             | natural limit to how many vacation homes someone can have
             | without a revenue source on the asset.
        
       | hamburgerwah wrote:
       | This is similar to how most murders in the US were caused by
       | Internet Explorer usage: https://i.redd.it/4h8emlr5z3c41.jpg
        
       | handmodel wrote:
       | The article doesn't mention it - and I can't find it anywhere -
       | but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of units
       | that are short-term rentals. Five percent? Ten percent in the
       | super touristy areas? I have no idea and even before the other
       | flaws in the study I am skeptical than anything short of 20%
       | would make an impact on any major attribute of an area.
       | 
       | I see one stat in the paper that "40% of buildings had airbnb
       | listings in some tracts" but if the buildings had 10 units in
       | them each this still may mean a relatively small number of total
       | listings were from Airbnbs. In fact, even in Boston there are
       | some tracts where I suppose that the average building must have
       | 30+ units which would meant that if 60% of buildings had no
       | listing the total percentage of listings that are Airbnbs is
       | relatively small.
       | 
       | >higher levels of violent crime did not appear immediately after
       | Airbnb listings became available to tourists, but rather
       | developed over the course of several years, the researchers said.
       | 
       | Alternative theory. Every area had some Airbnbs. In neighborhoods
       | that were being wealthier/more popular/had more jobs decided it
       | was easier to just do long-term rentals. In areas where landlords
       | had trouble renting them out to anyone long-term (because locals
       | know if a neighborhood is nice or not) they turned more units
       | into Airbnbs because outsiders don't know/don't care.
        
         | tcoff91 wrote:
         | My neighborhood has got to be at least 33% vacation rentals,
         | with a few streets being above 50%.
        
         | jimmygrapes wrote:
         | Preface: this is just my opinion at this moment.
         | 
         | I feel like trying to attribute specific numbers to the
         | article's phenomenon is sort of a waste.
         | 
         | It really only takes one individual who is significantly
         | disruptive to change the perception of trust and safety in any
         | given region. The only limit (where percentages and such start
         | creeping in) is in the physical reach that individual has.
         | Anybody who has lived in the same neighborhood as "that guy"
         | knows this to be true.
         | 
         | When "that guy" becomes more, the physical area may not change,
         | but the level of trust and safety might, and that itself can
         | propagate to other areas through gossip, news coverage, etc.
         | 
         | I don't have much of a point, I just wanted to say that the
         | upper limit of "number of people required to make a place feel
         | unsafe" is exactly one.
        
           | handmodel wrote:
           | As you said if there is a "that guy" in a neighborhood you'd
           | feel unsafe and Airbnb is displacing those people. It's a
           | trade-off. Its not like this about adding units to a
           | neighborhood but specifically that there is less community if
           | that's the case there are lots of Airbnbs (they said in the
           | article that noise complains and crimes leading to rowdy
           | behavior did not change).
           | 
           | If someone was on the fence about whether this community
           | effect is real - after a single study - wouldn't knowing if
           | 5% of units are Airbnb's are rentals versus 40% be enough to
           | change your conclusions? My prior is that a community cannot
           | be eroded by 10% of unknown people since that is standard for
           | any tight-knit neighborhood anyway.
        
         | redis_mlc wrote:
         | FYI: Bay Area motels try to size up guests to see if their room
         | will be used for a high school/college party pad.
         | 
         | For the past 30 years.
         | 
         | So if professional lodging managers with on-site security are
         | worried about each potential guest, I guarantee app rentals are
         | out of control.
        
         | zucker42 wrote:
         | With regards to your "alternate theory" here's a relevant line
         | in the paper.
         | 
         | > To further test the direction of causality for the results,
         | we use a lag/lead analysis in the spirit of Granger [33, 34].
         | This method is used when the sample includes multiple years and
         | uses both lead and lagged versions of the treatment variable (t
         | can be both positive and negative).
         | 
         | I don't have enough experience in econometrics/statistics to
         | evaluate this technique. But I would assume they've determined
         | that the increase in crimes lags behind the increase in
         | AirBNBs.
        
         | TroisM wrote:
         | > but in any neighborhood what is the highest proportion of
         | units that are short-term rentals.
         | 
         | I have seen areas close to 100%... in Hollywood, FL (not Airbnb
         | though...)
        
       | timwaagh wrote:
       | Maybe criminals like staying at Airbnb. They have the cash after
       | all and Airbnb can easily be used to hide ones identity.
        
         | dntrkv wrote:
         | They specifically point out the increase in crime is not from
         | the Airbnb tourists.
        
           | timwaagh wrote:
           | I read that a bit differently. They noted that typical
           | tourism related crimes did not usually increase but other
           | crime did.
        
       | user3939382 wrote:
       | Sounds like good material for this website:
       | https://tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
        
       | tptacek wrote:
       | We're considering an Airbnb ordinance where I live. A major
       | motivating factor is that Airbnbs are used frequently here to
       | stage parties. It's difficult for homeowners to effectively
       | police their properties for these (part of the reason they're
       | Airbnb'ing them is that they're not living in the immediate
       | vicinity).
        
       | chiefalchemist wrote:
       | In the book "Evicted" by Matthew Desmond he discusses how high
       | turnover in residents negatively affects a neighborhood's sense
       | of community. The book is insightful. Depressing but still
       | insightful.
       | 
       | https://www.evictedbook.com/
       | 
       | Editorial: This is one of things that led me to conclude that
       | poverty is more than a financial condition. In fact, more and
       | more I believe that poverty is a symptom of other "conditions."
       | Conditions that aggregate to manifest and perpetuate poverty.
        
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