[HN Gopher] Maker's Schedule, Manager's Schedule (2009)
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       Maker's Schedule, Manager's Schedule (2009)
        
       Author : feross
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2021-07-28 17:56 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | kokanator wrote:
       | This is so true I can't believe I am finally reading 12 years on.
       | 
       | We have tried various things, work blocks, no meeting days, etc.
       | without ever really understand what the true root of the issue
       | is.
       | 
       | I am curious how others have solved this dilemma in a very
       | business driven world where things are to be managed.
        
         | briandilley wrote:
         | Here's how we do it:
         | 
         | - Get rid of as many standing meetings as you can, and then get
         | rid of more of them (1 a week is max)
         | 
         | - At the end of every standing meeting, ask the group "Do we
         | still need this meeting?"
         | 
         | - If you feel you need a regular standup, do it on
         | slack/whatever-you-use instead and asynchronous
         | 
         | - The non-makers still need to be able to communicate with the
         | makers, provide a clear chain of communication so that the
         | smallest number of makers are disturbed in an ad-hoc fashion,
         | preferably only 1 (usually a tech lead / engineering manager)
        
         | PragmaticPulp wrote:
         | > I am curious how others have solved this dilemma in a very
         | business driven world where things are to be managed.
         | 
         | As an engineer-turned-manager, I try to be respectful of
         | people's time when it comes to meetings.
         | 
         | Basic meeting courtesy is mandatory:
         | 
         | - Schedule meetings at convenient times for everyone,
         | preferably around natural breaks like lunch time. 1PM meeting
         | after lunch before everyone gets back to work is good. 10:30AM
         | meetings that break up people's morning are bad.
         | 
         | - Send a short agenda for the meeting in the invite. No agenda
         | = no meeting is a good rule. Request agendas from others when
         | invited to a meeting.
         | 
         | - Stick to the agenda and respect people's time. If a
         | conversation goes on more than a few minutes but only concerns
         | a few people, either have them take it offline or add it to the
         | bottom of the agenda so you can cover it after everyone else
         | has been dismissed.
         | 
         | - Keep things as predictable as possible. It's much better if
         | everyone knows that meetings are generally scheduled around
         | lunch time, always come with an agenda, and that off-topic
         | discussions will be discouraged. Don't keep people guessing
         | about whether or not a meeting will be productive.
         | 
         | Finally, some employees can benefit from a little coaching and
         | mentoring about how to get back in the groove. If someone is
         | struggling to get anything done on days with meetings, they
         | will likely benefit from some coaching about how to best manage
         | interruptions and get back into the workflow. They can also
         | benefit from increased accountability around those days, which
         | doesn't have to be painful if handled correctly. Some people
         | have some "learned helplessness" around interruptions at other
         | companies where they don't bother doing anything on days where
         | meetings are on their calendar. Training this out of employees
         | and setting healthy but reasonable expectations is very
         | important.
        
       | PragmaticPulp wrote:
       | I remember this article being very influential to me when I read
       | it over a decade ago. This entry in particular resonated with my
       | younger self:
       | 
       | > I find one meeting can sometimes affect a whole day. A meeting
       | commonly blows at least half a day, by breaking up a morning or
       | afternoon. But in addition there's sometimes a cascading effect.
       | If I know the afternoon is going to be broken up, I'm slightly
       | less likely to start something ambitious in the morning. I know
       | this may sound oversensitive, but if you're a maker, think of
       | your own case.
       | 
       | Over the years as I've gone back and forth between IC and
       | management, adjusted my working schedule after having kids, and
       | generally improved my self-control habits, I no longer identify
       | with this part of the essay.
       | 
       | In retrospect, this essay told me what I wanted to hear at the
       | time: That I was a _maker_ and that my _managers_ just didn 't
       | understand that my lack of productivity was actually their fault
       | for scheduling a single 1-hour meeting in the middle of the day.
       | I thought meetings should be someone else's job, not mine, and I
       | ate up every excuse to despise them. This essay included.
       | 
       | The reality was that my company at the time didn't have an
       | excessive number of meetings, nor were they poorly run. Some
       | companies really do have a ridiculous number of poorly-run
       | meetings, but it's not the norm at well-run engineering companies
       | in my experience. (If your company is all meetings and no work,
       | it's time to change jobs).
       | 
       | Eventually I started making an effort to get back into the groove
       | quickly after interruptions. When I get back to my desk, I pause
       | for a moment and make a deliberate effort to recall where I left
       | off. I decide what I'm going to work on before I unlock the
       | screen. I resist the urge to pull up my e-mail or HN or Twitter
       | or Instagram for "just a few minutes" before getting back to
       | work. And to my surprise, it worked! If I put some minimal effort
       | into it, I can get right back into the task I was working on,
       | even complex ones like debugging complicated programs.
       | 
       | PG talking about "spirits" dictating our productivity now reminds
       | me of a famous quote that has been attributed to various authors
       | at different times:
       | 
       | > I write when I'm inspired, and I see to it that I'm inspired at
       | nine o'clock every morning.
        
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