[HN Gopher] Archegos was too busy for margin calls
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       Archegos was too busy for margin calls
        
       Author : mlla
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2021-08-03 19:59 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.bloomberg.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.bloomberg.com)
        
       | TrainedMonkey wrote:
       | Matt Levine did a pretty good writeup on this:
       | https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-07-29/archeg...
        
         | glasss wrote:
         | I did enjoy reading through his updates about the situation as
         | it was developing, pretty interesting stuff.
         | 
         | I don't remember the exact line Matt Levine wrote, but he made
         | a point of stating normally you couldn't get away with being
         | this over leveraged, but since Archegos was a family firm it
         | avoided some scrutiny. Interesting to think there will probably
         | always be a way to avoid scrutiny when you're moving that much
         | money around.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | We changed the URL from https://www.credit-
       | suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/ab..., which is one of
       | those annoying links that downloads a file, and the title from
       | "Postmortem in finance: How Credit Suisse lost $6B [pdf]", which
       | was editorialized. (Please read the site guidelines!
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)
       | 
       | A user suggested the Levine article as a better alternative, so
       | we'll use that for now. If anyone knows a better URL, we can
       | change it again.
        
         | arthurcolle wrote:
         | How is a browser downloading an html file any different than
         | requesting a PDF other than size? If anything it's useful to be
         | able to pop it over into the Documents app and read later.
         | 
         | I guess it's not responsive but to be honest that's a feature
         | not a bug lol. I guess the editorial concern is the bigger
         | issue.
        
       | gjvc wrote:
       | Some of the formatting of this document is remarkably poor.
        
       | mdlm wrote:
       | Who wrote this?
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | The authors are listed on page 1.
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | If you've ever traded with anything better than Reg-T margin, you
       | know this whole system is ripe for implosion. The leverage is
       | insane!
       | 
       | Reg-T (like the kind Robinhood has) doesn't allow long options to
       | be bought on margin. Other margining systems allow as low as 6%
       | down even on options.
       | 
       | And when you're talking real money, your personal risk/compliance
       | team understands their employment is contingent on looking the
       | other way! They're at-will employees too.
        
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       | blunte wrote:
       | I cannot believe that Archegos was "too busy" to read a request
       | for additional collateral. They knew exactly what was going on,
       | and they were hoping to buy more time and pray that the market
       | would change in the direction they needed.
       | 
       | This sounds like a desperation play that didn't succeed, and
       | Credit Suisse was left with the loss.
       | 
       | Now, I'm not much educated in finance... but risk is risk, and
       | whether you have models or you have tarot cards, sometimes things
       | just do not go the way you thought they would. If you're betting
       | 1x, you can lose what you have. If you're betting with leverage,
       | you can win bigger, or lose 1x (and potentially the creditor can
       | lose the remaining Xx). Unless the creditor can automatically
       | liquidate and close out a client's position if they can't make a
       | margin call, it seems you would have to be crazy to be a creditor
       | for leveraged clients. Eventually you will lose big because of a
       | client.
        
       | baq wrote:
       | > Notably, this is not a situation where the business and risk
       | personnel engaged in fraudulent or illegal conduct or acted with
       | ill intent. Nor is it one where the architecture of risk controls
       | and processes was lacking or the existing risk systems failed to
       | operate sufficiently to identify critical risks and related
       | concerns. The Archegos risks were identified and were
       | conspicuous. The persistent failure of he business and risk to
       | manage and remediate the risks, and pervasive issues of business
       | competence and resourcing adequacy, described in detail in this
       | Report, require CS's urgent attention.
       | 
       | wow. this reads like 'culprits have been found and let go with
       | their bonus packages'.
        
         | satellite2 wrote:
         | This is common practice in post mortem analysis to try to
         | determine the root cause in a blameless manner.
         | 
         | On the next iteration of this issue the eventual culprits of
         | the first probably won't be there to remember what went wrong.
         | 
         | What might survive until then though is the set of procedures
         | and guidelines put in place following the investigation
         | recommendations.
         | 
         | So it's more effective to determine what process were
         | insufficient than which person had the capacity to avoid
         | something.
        
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