[HN Gopher] China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor
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       China Says It's Closing in on Thorium Nuclear Reactor
        
       Author : Hoasi
       Score  : 51 points
       Date   : 2021-08-04 19:57 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | j_walter wrote:
       | Nuclear is far from the best source of electricity, but it is far
       | less damaging to the environment than coal or NG if handled and
       | designed properly. If countries can work together to put them in
       | places that protect from major earthquakes or other natural
       | disasters then I think we can get some decent movement on reduce
       | GHG emissions from power plants.
        
         | timbit42 wrote:
         | How long does it take to plan and build a nuclear plant? At the
         | rate solar, wind and energy storage are improving, will it be
         | worth the wait? Solar has dropped in price by more than 80% in
         | the past 10 years.
        
           | seiferteric wrote:
           | Compare the EROEI on solar (~10) vs nuclear (~100), and LFTR
           | (~1200 maybe...) in particular, there is no comparison. In
           | the future we will need far more electrical energy, it's not
           | enough to just replace what we currently have. Also if we
           | want to actively remove carbon from the atmosphere, we will
           | need a tremendous amount of power.
        
             | Tade0 wrote:
             | Problem is, we might not be able to build them fast enough.
             | 
             | China is currently the leader in deployment of nuclear
             | power, but even there wind power overtook it in terms of
             | GWh delivered in 2013 and the difference was been widening
             | ever since.
             | 
             | Similarly within a decade solar went from delivering 1% of
             | the energy nuclear did, to 70%. At this rate it will close
             | the gap before 2025.
        
           | DennisP wrote:
           | Present-day reactors, a long time. Small modular reactors
           | built in factories or shipyards could be pretty quick. Some
           | of those designs are MSRs like China's reactor.
        
         | DennisP wrote:
         | One nice thing about a molten salt reactor like China is
         | building is that the dangerous fission products are chemically
         | bound in the salt. If some external event breaks the reactor
         | wide open, the salt cools and you just have radioactive rocks
         | there on the site, instead of a radioactive cloud over a large
         | region.
        
       | guscost wrote:
       | This could also be a feint to get DoD money into the technology.
        
       | tpmx wrote:
       | That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP has proven to us
       | that we can't trust their word. Over and over again.
        
         | jdavis703 wrote:
         | They say they're 9 years away. That's a long enough date that
         | I'd be skeptical of any government that was giving a prediction
         | for nearly a decade out.
        
         | tablespoon wrote:
         | > That would be awesome, but unfortunately the CCP has proven
         | to us that we can't trust their word. Over and over again.
         | 
         | IMHO, claims like this from them should be believed 100%,
         | because to do otherwise invites complacency.
        
           | smhost wrote:
           | this also isn't the type of thing that governments tend to
           | lie about. it's not like a scenario where a contractor
           | overpromises and underdelivers and government media has to do
           | damage control. they're also not announcing some new leap in
           | scientific understanding. it's old science.
        
             | wolverine876 wrote:
             | > this also isn't the type of thing that governments tend
             | to lie about
             | 
             | This is the sort of thing governments lie about, IME - big,
             | sensational achievements that enhance their status.
        
         | duairc wrote:
         | > CCP has proven to us that we can't trust their word. Over and
         | over again.
         | 
         | Are you able to substantiate that claim?
        
         | antman wrote:
         | My thinking is that for major projects they mostly deliver
         | against our intuition. What are the counter examples which are
         | over and over again?
        
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