[HN Gopher] Humans could recolonize Earth after mass extinctions...
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       Humans could recolonize Earth after mass extinctions with
       ectogenesis
        
       Author : pseudolus
       Score  : 28 points
       Date   : 2021-08-06 21:28 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | sgt wrote:
       | Not a new idea. Hasn't there also been an Isaac Arthur episode or
       | two about this?
        
       | TrispusAttucks wrote:
       | Sounds exactly like the plot from HBOs [1] Raised by Wolves or
       | [2] Netflix's I am Mother.
       | 
       | [1]
       | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raised_by_Wolves_(American_T...
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       | [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Mother
        
       | bookofsand wrote:
       | The author needs to familiarize himself with the concept of MTBF.
       | It's surprisingly short for high order artifacts. Entropy will
       | introduce errors and break down every single high order system
       | out there. I am aware of two exceptions: the biosphere and, on a
       | much much smaller scope, cloud storage. The core characteristic
       | of both systems is redundancy and repair: every piece of the
       | system is continuously monitored and replaced by a healthy clone
       | before enough errors accumulate to render it inoperable.
       | 
       | Short of developing artificial life, the proposal will not work.
       | Of course, developing artificial life is one of the big
       | existential risks humanity faces. I'd rather we study gardening
       | instead :)
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mean_time_between_failures
        
       | sylens wrote:
       | I guess the author finally got around to playing Horizon Zero
       | Dawn?
        
         | Teknoman117 wrote:
         | an apt user name for that reference :)
        
       | yodon wrote:
       | If we were to have a mass extinction event today, the "survivors"
       | would quickly find that all the readily accessible surface level
       | fuel sources are long gone and have already been consumed. In the
       | 1600's or 1700's it wouldn't have been that difficult, but today
       | the challenge of getting access to power is going to make
       | restarting civilization somewhere between difficult and
       | impossible.
       | 
       | Try finding enough burnable wood near an emerging city/town to
       | provide warmth and power while you restart civilization and I
       | think you'll discover that humanity has already cut down the
       | majority of the forests, tapped the majority of the oil Wells
       | that can produce oil without lots of supporting tech, and mined
       | most of the easily mineable coal. Sure, you can get a bit of
       | power, but it's going to take a lot of both power and specialized
       | skilled labor to restart our power sources civilization after a
       | mass extinction event. The chances are extremely good that even
       | if you can resume making babies you can't resume making the power
       | those babies will need to achieve the goals we would have for
       | them. On the surface of the Earth today it takes more power and
       | skills to gain access to power than survivors are likely to have.
        
         | GekkePrutser wrote:
         | Trees grow back pretty quickly (they're talking timescales of
         | thousands of years for this plan) and that's all humanity needs
         | for energy to start.
         | 
         | The main reason we need all that power is for our creature
         | comforts. We don't technically need them to survive but we
         | don't know how to live without them anymore. There being
         | billions of us doesn't help either. A rebooted humanity
         | shouldn't have too much difficulty with that though.
        
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           | yodon wrote:
           | If you have a mass extinction event and go more than a
           | generation or two without restarting, all the skills and
           | education will be gone which means you're restarting from
           | zero. We needed readily available high grade energy sources
           | to get to high grade renewables, and those trying to restart
           | civilization will as well, but by the time the get there
           | their forest will be consumed just as ours are, and they
           | won't have oil and coal to discover to get them the bridge to
           | solar or nuclear or high tech wind and tidal power.
        
         | njarboe wrote:
         | Plenty of water power.
        
           | yodon wrote:
           | It takes a lot of tech to turn a River into a source of heat,
           | and it takes still more tech to produce that tech that you
           | need to pull it off. Water is an easy source of power for
           | some things, but for most chemical processes what you need is
           | heat (and most of the tech you're going to need to restart
           | civilization is at some level going to be rooted in chemical
           | processes)
        
             | chmod775 wrote:
             | > It takes a lot of tech to turn a River into a source of
             | heat.
             | 
             | No it doesn't. Turning motion into electricity is fairly
             | easy, and turning electricity into heat is even more so.
             | 
             | The biggest hurdle will be manufacturing quality mechanical
             | parts, but you can do without quality in a pinch.
             | 
             | Also producing heat is a matter of survival, not
             | civilization. We can safely assume people will at least be
             | able to make a fire.
        
               | yodon wrote:
               | You're thinking like a modern resident, not like someone
               | living a decade after a global extinction event. Turning
               | water into electricity requires significant
               | infrastructure for making motors and generators and
               | transmission lines and the like (even if in principle the
               | math/physics is easy)
        
         | chmod775 wrote:
         | Turning wind, sun, or water into a good source of electricity
         | is fairly low-tech.
         | 
         | There's also still a ton of easily accessible lignite
         | everywhere, which our present civilization doesn't really care
         | about for its inefficiency and ecological concerns.
        
           | calvinmorrison wrote:
           | Also wood gasification can trivially take wood inputs and run
           | internal combustion engines.
        
         | bserge wrote:
         | Not sure anyone will shed a tear for the loss of this
         | civilization after the mass extinction event was caused by them
         | (us).
        
       | fsiefken wrote:
       | in the sf novel earthseed by pamela sargent a seed ship is sent
       | out, when it encounters a habitable planet after a very long
       | journey the AI of the ship would fertilize human eggs and raise
       | and teach a diverse group of children for restarting civilization
        
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       | alex_young wrote:
       | An artificial womb that not only somehow grows a human for 9
       | months, but then exposes this infant to an environment with no
       | caretakers, and somehow protects and trains them to survive to
       | reproduce? And you're going to make enough of them to create a
       | sustainable population? Seems pretty unlikely to me.
        
         | PicassoCTs wrote:
         | This idea and plot are actually one of the "failed colonization
         | attempts" in the revelation space series.
         | 
         | https://revelationspace.fandom.com/wiki/Amerikano_era
        
         | ezekg wrote:
         | I Am Mother (2019) is a great movie based on this kind of
         | premise.
        
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