[HN Gopher] Nvidia's "Kitchen" Keynote was faked (rendered) and ... ___________________________________________________________________ Nvidia's "Kitchen" Keynote was faked (rendered) and nobody noticed Author : avnigo Score : 53 points Date : 2021-08-12 22:01 UTC (58 minutes ago) (HTM) web link (blogs.nvidia.com) (TXT) w3m dump (blogs.nvidia.com) | kfprt wrote: | Is there a turing test for visual reality? This would seem to | indicate that in at least some instances that reality is | indistinguishable from CG. | ben_w wrote: | I doubt any formal attempt to define such a test exists, given | attempts at ultra-realistic painting as an art style predates | Turing: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ivan_Shishkin_- | _Rozh'... | themodelplumber wrote: | That sounds like it could be interesting. It's funny how much | of our "reality" / perceived universe is simply imagined or | taken for granted even without any CG involved. | | Even in simple text, I can relate to you my relief at finding a | news article on HN which was posted by my stealth marketing | team on behalf of Nvidia today, or I can describe the tiny | white kitten curled up on my chest as I type this from the | couch I found on the street. | | In a way, that expression will create an effect similar to the | Nvidia CG project for a lot of people. | | Meanwhile, I have no tiny white kitten, I'm not laying on a | couch, and I don't work on a stealth marketing team. But some | will go as far as visualizing what I must look like, or waxing | sentimental about kittens. | | Some others would even doubt the retraction of those | statements, merely because of a constant inner perceptive | mandate which causes them to work extra hard at never getting | caught closing off possibilities. | contravariant wrote: | I mean it's not as if the Turing test is immensely complicated. | For VR you can just make people compare a rendering with the | view of a real camera and see if people can tell the | difference. | beebeepka wrote: | Huang is starting to look like Kaku. | | I haven't seen this one and while I am sure many have missed, | there's no way "nobody noticed". Of course, this is direct PR | material straight from Nvidia. Such material is hard for me to | read because at 50 percent is junk words and sentences | exdsq wrote: | Agreed in general but imagine a VR video game that looks so | good even 20-percent think it's a movie. That's awesome. | huseyinkeles wrote: | Half Life Alyx did at some moments feel extremely real to me, | it was a weird experience. | slapfrog wrote: | Chasing photorealism in games seems misguided to me; you have | to spend _much_ more money on artists. And at the end of the | day, photorealism won 't make a bad game into a good game; so | that money is better spent on other aspects of the game. | Furthermore, if you're committed to spending that much money | on a game, it will probably have a very conservative lowest- | common-denominator design to recoup as much money as | possible. Who will take risks and experiment when so much | money is on the line? You end up with a game that is mediocre | to everybody but exceptional to few. The video game | equivalent of a big budget marvel movie. | mhh__ wrote: | This is a bit of a weird one. Sometimes VR is super obviously | rendered in a certain game engine, but sometimes, even on my | now aging Vive it just looks absolutely astonishing. | | I have a photogrammetry scan of some guys room as my VR home | on Steam and it's genuinely eery how I have to do a double | take sometimes. | pbhjpbhj wrote: | Is that just the people with bad eyesight or who are neuro | atypical and so can't see the flaws and/or tell from the | weird body movements? | | What's the closest example in mainstream media of cg human | that [almost] passes? | ben_w wrote: | CGI is much more widely used in film than I think you think | it is. Half the distance/crowd shots in LotR nearly 20 | years ago now were CGI, from what I remember, and e.g. the | following scenes of the car sequence in Deadpool use CG | humans in far more places than I'd guessed from having | watched the film: https://youtu.be/C8D_o8bOeOc | 0xbadc0de5 wrote: | s/noticed/cared/ | avnigo wrote: | Direct link to video explanation from article: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qhqZ9ECm70 | levng wrote: | From 23m05s | weare138 wrote: | Why does Nvidia's corporate blog keep referring to itself in the | 3rd person? Are corporations just writing their own reviews now? | mhh__ wrote: | Maybe they're facilitating people copy and pasting their text? | tomcooks wrote: | Not dissimilar to the last broadcasted speech of the queen of | England | readthenotes1 wrote: | There are few things more hurtful than someone telling you they | prefer the company of Canadians. | pbhjpbhj wrote: | It says in the YouTube video, and shows in the clips that the | keynote revealed the rendering immediately as part of the show? | | I didn't see the full thing, but the posture and lighting in the | clips in the making-of don't look like they'd have convinced | anyone? (See YouTube video avnigo links). | | Is this just marketing saying water isn't wet or am I missing | something? | bellyfullofbac wrote: | Seems like the reveal was at the end of the 2021 keynote: | https://youtu.be/eAn_oiZwUXA?t=6470 | | But he was in the kitchen at the beginning of the 2020 keynote: | https://youtu.be/bOf2S7OzFEg?list=PLZHnYvH1qtOZ2BSwG4CHmKSVH... | | You can spot straight away that he looks like he's in a Zoom | meeting with a fake background, he has a green halo behind his | hair, and after he says "Our first kitchen keynote." he moves | his shoulders and you can see the background behind his | shoulders move. (Edit: what the hell, the moving background is | visible in the 1080p version, but not really in the 2160p one! | So I guess that's YouTube's compressor's fault.) | | Since they already built a very detailed model of his kitchen, | it would've been more interesting if they had a multi camera | setup, or even a camera that moves around, like in the BBC | studio https://www.bbc.com/sport/av/olympics/58113457 | | And the "deepfaked" Jensen seems to me is also very easy to | spot... | jFriedensreich wrote: | from the very first keynote in his kitchen i was waiting for it | to be rendered there was not a chance jensen would not do that | one day :D | stickydink wrote: | Speaking as someone who really doesn't know how long these things | take, is this accurate? | | > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT59YOdch8M | | > Typically this type of project would take a team months to | complete and weeks to render. | sen wrote: | > Please don't do things to make titles stand out, like using | uppercase or exclamation points, or saying how great an article | is. It's implicit in submitting something that you think it's | important. | | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html | | Clickbait title, it was very clear it was rendered at the time | and there was no attempt to hide it. | r1ch wrote: | Indeed, the blog post is referring to this effect: | https://youtu.be/KboaLRKbaBU?t=191. Suggesting the entire thing | was rendered is very misleading. | OJFord wrote: | There's no way it can mean just that, since that's beyond | obviously not real, and not even trying to be? | evv555 wrote: | I showed Netflix's "Love Death + Robots: Ice Age"[1] to several | people and no one noticed it's CGI until I pointed it out. Even | then I had to point out particular details until they really | believed it. | | 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQGEUv6CCPM | jrootabega wrote: | Even Topher Grace and the other one? Or just the stuff in the | freezer? | dnissley wrote: | All I can find by searching is that this episode was the only | one to include live action (IMDb trivia, for example: | https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9788514/trivia/?ref_=tt_trv_trv) -- | what makes you think it's cgi? ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-08-12 23:00 UTC)