[HN Gopher] Nearly 200M in U.S. under heat advisories, warnings ...
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       Nearly 200M in U.S. under heat advisories, warnings as two heat
       domes form
        
       Author : montalbano
       Score  : 96 points
       Date   : 2021-08-13 19:21 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.axios.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.axios.com)
        
       | shock-value wrote:
       | Note, this article is from two days ago and references
       | predictions made then for yesterday.
        
       | throaway46546 wrote:
       | It's a been pretty weird experience sitting comfortably here in
       | the Mojave desert while my family in the PNW is suffering in the
       | heat.
        
         | edgefield wrote:
         | If we don't respond to climate change now and aggressively,
         | like we are fighting a war, humanity is toast. Climate change
         | will quickly wipe out most life on earth. The IPCC "code red"
         | report doesn't even take into account several enormous feedback
         | effects such as methane off gassing from rock formations.
        
           | albertgoeswoof wrote:
           | Climate change will probably help increase life on earth,
           | given it will likely remove the most invasive and bio-
           | suppressant species on earth today, humans
        
             | edgefield wrote:
             | True. Just give the planet 1M years to recover.
        
             | rootusrootus wrote:
             | The odds of humans actually going extinct due to climate
             | change seem pretty long. A massive reduction, sure, but
             | _all_ of them?
        
           | alexose wrote:
           | At 6degC (the very upper end of the IPCC report), the planet
           | loses its ability to create clouds. Which itself means
           | another 7degC due to the lowering of the albedo. Certainly a
           | civilization-ending event, and perhaps a life-ending one.
        
           | rchaud wrote:
           | > Climate change will quickly wipe out most life on earth.
           | 
           | I think the resource shortages, water wars and refugee crises
           | that precede the actual climate-driven apocalypse will get us
           | there a lot faster than we imagine.
        
       | dotcommand wrote:
       | Why is a weather article from august 11 being brigaded to the
       | frontpage now. A 2 day old article about the weather?
        
         | k33n wrote:
         | Didn't you hear? The sea level will rise to an untenable level
         | by 1975! We must shut down our society completely!
        
           | NationalPark wrote:
           | Why is it that one conspiracy breeds another with you guys? I
           | just skimmed your history and not only are you a climate
           | science denier, you are also a covid denier, and you believe
           | that the "mainstream media" is conspiring to depress
           | GameStop's stock price! Surely you at least recognize how
           | unlikely it is that all of these are true _and_ you just
           | happen to be one of the special few who figured it out?
           | Cmon...
        
             | k33n wrote:
             | I deny most of the lies mainstream media pushes. I'm sorry
             | that having your spoonfed worldview challenged is so hard
             | for you. Wish you all the best! Hundreds of millions if not
             | billions share my views. Not too special. Hurry up and get
             | off the computer! You're missing Anderson Cooper 360!
        
             | s5300 wrote:
             | Main character syndrome appears to be fairly rampant
             | amongst conspiracy theorists.
        
             | Terretta wrote:
             | From below:
             | 
             | > _"if not billions"_
             | 
             | Narrator: "It's not billions."
             | 
             | On the other hand, that post provoked a thought:
             | 
             | Society has lost valuable herd immunity to bad thinking.
             | Used to be kooks had to try hard to spread nonsense.
             | 
             | Redefine _kook_ as _edgy_ , _influencer_ , or _in-the-know
             | contrarian_ , and the nonsense practically spreads itself.
             | 
             | And your remark raised a point too: it's indeed about
             | feeling special. Now that everything is noisy, that takes a
             | special kind of noise.
        
         | bobobull wrote:
         | because it's really friggin hot out ( and in )
        
           | dotcommand wrote:
           | Shocking. Oh all the months for it to be friggin hot outside,
           | it had to be august. Who would have guessed.
        
       | kaminar wrote:
       | Oh no oh no oh no...everybody run for the hills! Nothing like
       | this has ever happened before, what'll we do?!
       | 
       | Smh...lemme know when winter comes and they predict we're headed
       | for an ice age...again.
        
       | akomtu wrote:
       | I wonder if the reason the US elites are moving to NZ is these
       | heat waves: perhaps modeling revealed that most of the US will
       | become uncomfortably hot and humid in the next decade or so,
       | while NZ will stay cool.
        
         | scrollaway wrote:
         | Air conditioning is a lot easier than moving to New Zealand.
         | 
         | The whole NZ citizenship for the rich is a mix of preppers
         | nonsense and elite club FOMO. If it gets bad enough that NZ is
         | the easiest answer, then NZ won't be the answer.
         | 
         | Remember these are the same people doing young blood
         | transfusions to stave off death. Hey, maybe history will prove
         | me wrong, but it's not impossible they're flawed humans with
         | fears and insecurities like everyone else.
        
           | decebalus1 wrote:
           | My hypothesis about why rich people moving to NZ is that it's
           | a mix of hype, NZ climate and the relative isolation. The
           | latter is one of the most important. It's pretty hard to get
           | to NZ. The distance itself will basically guarantee you won't
           | get overrun by climate change refugees. Unlike the mainland
           | US or Europe.
        
         | vavooom wrote:
         | Source?
        
       | xwdv wrote:
       | Becoming a common thing now, maybe people will finally believe
       | something must be done, but it's likely already too late.
        
         | alexose wrote:
         | It's not too late.
         | 
         | There have been recent (huge!) advances in renewable energy,
         | chemistry, and climate modeling that open the door to solving
         | this problem.
         | 
         | The path I see in front of us involves temporarily
         | geoengineering our way to a +1C ceiling while massively scaling
         | up carbon capture operations. At the same time, we transition
         | as much industry to renewable energy as possible.
         | 
         | This _can_ be done. It 's entirely within our grasp.
        
         | kzrdude wrote:
         | It's probably impossible to teach the broader public about the
         | time scales involved in this. What we do now affects the world
         | in decades to come (and more). And what we did for decades
         | affects us now.
        
       | rybosworld wrote:
       | The next decade we are going to see a lot more heat related
       | deaths. And unfortunately, it will disproportionally affect the
       | poorest/most vulnerable people.
        
         | x14km2d wrote:
         | should we even make it to the next decade. So far, this seems
         | to look rather complicated.
        
           | FFRefresh wrote:
           | Your comment sounds like you are predicting a mass human
           | extinction, or close to it?
           | 
           | I personally think that's incredibly far off base, but if you
           | are confident in your prediction for mass doom, I recommend
           | throwing some money into prediction markets around it. It
           | could be a great way to calibrate your model of reality (and
           | potentially make money if you are right!).
        
             | vkou wrote:
             | If you're betting on collapse, and you are right, you
             | aren't going to be around to collect.
             | 
             | If you're betting against collapse, and you are wrong, you
             | aren't going to be around to pay up.
        
               | FFRefresh wrote:
               | A few variations in line with that: If you're betting on
               | near-total collapse, and you are right (and you survive
               | from living in the developed world), you will be around
               | to collect
               | 
               | If you're betting on collapse, and you are wrong, you
               | will be around to pay up
               | 
               | If you bet against collapse, and you are right, you will
               | be around to collect
               | 
               | It should also be said that with prediction markets, you
               | don't have to wait until the event happens before selling
               | your position.
        
         | lostlogin wrote:
         | > unfortunately, it will disproportionally affect the
         | poorest/most vulnerable people.
         | 
         | There isn't much that is bad that this doesn't hold true for.
        
         | hitpointdrew wrote:
         | The data suggests there is a slight down trend in heat related
         | deaths since 1999. https://www.epa.gov/climate-
         | indicators/climate-change-indica...
         | 
         | I doubt heat related deaths will be a large factor in the next
         | decade. More people than ever have access to AC and clean
         | water.
        
           | mbgerring wrote:
           | Take a look at what happened earlier in the summer in
           | Portland. Extreme heat events are becoming more common in
           | places where homes often don't have air conditioning.
           | 
           | Also, I feel like this should go without saying but the
           | climate has changed perceptibly since 1999 and will continue
           | to get warmer for the foreseeable future, so relying on past
           | trend lines like this is a mistake.
        
             | ryanobjc wrote:
             | I think the go comment is kinda of like the infamous slash
             | dot review of the iPod: "I don't think heat deaths will be
             | a thing in the next decade" - uh huh
        
           | throwanem wrote:
           | My local power utility has ramped up its (thus far) voluntary
           | load shedding campaign this year with rebates for usage
           | reductions during high-demand periods (including today!), and
           | is also pushing "smart" thermostats pretty hard, also in
           | exchange for a minor rebate. They're "smart" in that they
           | allow the utility to remotely shut down your AC for a 75% or
           | 50% duty cycle, which you are not allowed to override.
           | 
           | Don't count on AC saving all that many lives as the decade
           | wears on.
        
             | rdtwo wrote:
             | Nobody is going to throttle the ac to your million dollar
             | home unless it's Cali and even then probably not. Likely
             | will only affect poor people.
        
               | s0rce wrote:
               | I lost power for about 45min last year during one of the
               | highest load days in California. No AC though so it
               | didn't really do much except people went outside and
               | talked about not having power.
        
               | knownjorbist wrote:
               | East coast here, if you elect to participate in the
               | program they can toggle your usage to 75% or 50% with
               | advance notice.
        
             | gizmo686 wrote:
             | 50% duty cycle is more than enough to keep the temperature
             | at a survivable level. If the utilities use the load
             | shedding program to reduce AC usage to the point of killing
             | people, the situation would already be so bad that the
             | alternative load shedding approach of black outs would kill
             | far more people.
        
             | toomuchtodo wrote:
             | Rooftop solar (if you can) is the future. The cost will
             | (must, really) come down, even if we need a "Solar Corps"
             | (volunteers, Habitat for Humanity style) or similar to get
             | generation on the roofs of the disadvantaged. AC load
             | shedding will become untenable in the hottest of places,
             | and the power grid will become taxed from demand faster
             | than infrastructure upgrades can occur.
        
               | rootusrootus wrote:
               | Rooftop solar is tempting. I'm in the PNW so the
               | economics don't work out favorably (even at $1.5/W
               | installed, which is what I was recently quoted). But
               | there are some non-economic advantages to having solar
               | (as long as you have batteries) so it may still be
               | worthwhile.
        
               | Retric wrote:
               | There is quite a bit of room between what most people set
               | their AC and what's actually uncomfortable and an even
               | larger gap to what's unhealthy. That delta is what allows
               | load shedding in a heat wave.
               | 
               | In rich countries like the US throwing money at the
               | problem works, but for the much of the world the extra
               | infrastructure simply isn't worth the extra comfort.
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | cj wrote:
               | Tesla Solar Roof comes to mind.
               | 
               | https://www.tesla.com/solarroof
               | 
               | It's unfortunately roughly double the cost of a regular
               | roof (and 3x as much if your current roof is already due
               | for replacement).
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | In Australia, the cost for rooftop solar is about
               | $1/watt. In the US, we're still higher from soft costs
               | such as permitting, utility review and approval, and
               | similar, putting the cost closer to $2-$3/watt (pre 26%
               | federal tax credit). The NREL recently released an app
               | that automates the permitting process [1], but there are
               | still places to squeeze the fat out to drive the cost
               | down.
               | 
               | Tesla's solar tiles are interesting, but cost prohibitive
               | for anyone but the wealthy.
               | 
               | [1] https://solarapp.nrel.gov/
        
               | [deleted]
        
             | Arrath wrote:
             | Makes me wonder how hard it would be to either just snip
             | the control circuit from the utility provided thermostat to
             | your AC unit and run your own in its place while retaining
             | the discount, or setup an rPi or such as a MITM and
             | intercept the control commands.
             | 
             | Alternatively: just don't overthink things and install a
             | mini-split/window unit/small portable that doesn't get
             | connected to the house thermostat in the first place.
        
               | throwanem wrote:
               | Oh, it's trivial to take any thermostat off the wall and
               | bridge the same contacts its relay would. That's not what
               | concerns me, so much as that I think I see the thin end
               | of a wedge.
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | These programs are optional. Google's Nest (among others)
               | integrates with utility signaling to perform this
               | shedding, and it's typically allowable for you to enable
               | cooling and override the load shedding activated during
               | peak demand (in the programs I'm familiar with).
        
               | Arrath wrote:
               | I get that, I was just pondering the fraudulent
               | possibilities of netting the discount while subverting
               | any control the utility would take over your HVAC
               | equipment.
        
               | throwanem wrote:
               | You have to have a smart meter to qualify for the
               | program, so it's not like they can't tell if you cheat
               | from consumption data.
        
               | throwanem wrote:
               | The smart thermostats BGE offers allow only two overrides
               | per day, iirc 30 or 60 min each. Not sure on that part,
               | but the specific period isn't so much at issue as that
               | somebody else has the privilege of deciding when I am
               | allowed not to swelter.
               | 
               | (I saw some mention of a "smart switch" also installed
               | under this program, which I assume is there to prevent
               | "overriding" the meter by just yanking it off the wall
               | and shorting the contacts.)
        
               | toomuchtodo wrote:
               | > Not sure on that part, but the specific period isn't so
               | much at issue as that somebody else has the privilege of
               | deciding when I am allowed not to swelter.
               | 
               | You signed up for a discount for them to have permission
               | to adjust your AC condensing demand run time when
               | necessary, correct? I have never heard of a mandatory
               | residential load shedding program in the US, but that
               | doesn't mean they might be out there.
               | 
               | https://bgesavings.com/programs/ac/
               | 
               | > BGE's PeakRewards Air Conditioning program helps
               | prevent the need for additional power plants, keep down
               | the overall cost of electricity and ease the burden on
               | Maryland's electricity delivery system as the state's
               | population continues to grow. Plus, participants receive
               | up to $100 in BGE bill credits each summer (June -
               | September).
               | 
               | > The PeakRewards program is _completely voluntary_ and
               | is open to all BGE residential customers with central air
               | conditioning or an electric heat pump in good working
               | order, regardless of their choice of electricity
               | supplier.
        
               | rdtwo wrote:
               | Just put a heated blanket on it if you need to override
        
               | mindslight wrote:
               | If this became enough of a problem, it would be easy
               | enough for them to start auditing your hourly power
               | usage. I wouldn't be surprised if they were already doing
               | so to see the impact of such programs, and also because
               | bypassing a thermostat or installing a window AC unit is
               | within the reach of most people.
        
             | xxpor wrote:
             | >they allow the utility to remotely shut down your AC for a
             | 75% or 50% duty cycle, which you are not allowed to
             | override.
             | 
             | Switches can be bypassed ;)
        
         | bamboozled wrote:
         | I guess that's why nothing is done about climate change in a
         | hurry.
         | 
         | We're told it will affect us _all_ , but obviously, some people
         | believe that with money it will affect them less.
         | 
         | Although, it will be interesting to se what people with money
         | do when their air conditioner breaks and the AC mechanic is out
         | due to heat stroke.
        
           | forrestthewoods wrote:
           | > We're told it will affect us all, but obviously, some
           | people believe that with money it will affect them less.
           | 
           | I mean, yes. Poor people are definitely going to
           | disproportionately suffer the consequences of climate change.
           | Obviously.
           | 
           | You'd be a fool to claim poor and rich people will suffer
           | equally. That does not mean that rich people will not suffer.
           | Only that they'll suffer less. Because obviously.
        
           | mindslight wrote:
           | Turn up their second AC system, pay a different AC technician
           | more to travel further, go into their furnished basement,
           | hang out in their running car, travel to a friend's spacious
           | house, pay someone else to keep up their daily necessities
           | while they fix the system themselves, or it won't have broken
           | due to having better maintenance to begin with.
           | 
           | No doubt there will be some schadenfreude. But there is a
           | reason these things affect the poor harder.
        
             | mywittyname wrote:
             | Money doesn't solve all your problems, but it sure does
             | solve a lot of them.
        
       | irrational wrote:
       | I'm in Oregon. After that lingering week of 110+ temperatures in
       | June the temperature gauge at my house said it got to 119 one
       | afternoon), these three days of about 100 degree temperatures
       | seems downright cool in comparison.
        
         | LatteLazy wrote:
         | (for anyone else wondering 110F is 43C)
        
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