[HN Gopher] Show HN: I built an AI art installation at home gene... ___________________________________________________________________ Show HN: I built an AI art installation at home generating new pieces on the fly Author : mfi Score : 305 points Date : 2021-08-18 14:56 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (github.com) (TXT) w3m dump (github.com) | LegitShady wrote: | Personally believe that art requires intention and some attempt | at communication but it's an interesting project. | jazzyjackson wrote: | In this case I suppose the real artwork is the space of all | artworks that the machine is sampling from. | LegitShady wrote: | I'm not sure that makes this installation art in and of | itself. | cryptoz wrote: | Who's to say that the AI doesn't have intent, and makes no | attempt at communication? These are certainly very | philosophical questions and I would be ready to stand by the | idea that first, there is possibly intent and communication | here, and second, I've never heard of this narrow definition of | art before. Art is art, defining it so narrowly seems strange | to me. | LegitShady wrote: | It's ok to disagree with me - everyone is allowed a different | opinion on art. I'll explain a bit more about my opinion, | which you are free to disagree with. | | Personally I don't think a machine generating pixels from | neural networks trained on intentional art can create art - | it can create something that seems very similar because it | seems to generate the same or similar output but its missing | the process and intention of art. If an artist draws random | shapes with no intention or intent to communicate or evoke | thought/emotion, all they're doing is making shapes, unless | the random shapes themselves are an intent to communicate | something (which is difficult if they're actually random). | | 'art is art' is a tautology with no meaning, and defining art | in a way that makes some things not art is the only way you | can have a useful definition of art. | | Change my tire? Art. Spill chocolate milk on the table? art. | vomit after drinking too much? art. because art is art, | right? | | I guess the question is why you think everything, including | things done without intention or intent to communicate, is | art? | ozzmotik wrote: | in the semiotic tradition of Peirce, everything is a sign, | signaling some sort of message or meaning. even if there is | no evident or inherent intent being encompassed in some | chunk of reality, there is still something being signified, | and therefore something being communicated. in cases like | this, the art is the interpretant formulated by the | interpreter, a personal value judgment, rather than some | intended value encoded by some given creator of art. | | just my take on it, maybe it might provide a framework for | seeing how even unintentional, stochastic processes can be | conceived of as art. :) | LegitShady wrote: | >in the semiotic tradition of Peirce, everything is a | sign | | Again, if you interpret changing a tire, spilling milk, | or the vomiting after drinking too heavily as art, I | disagree with you. Are traffic signs art, in and of | themselves? are all signs art? | | I don't think I agree with you. I've never read peirce | and I don't do that 'argument from authority' thing, but | given your wording here I don't think I agree with what | you're saying. | | >the art is the interpretant formulated by the | interpreter, | | So according to pierce, my interpretation of this as not | as art is as valid as you thinking its art, since that's | how im interpreting it? It doesn't seem like a very self | consistent idea. | xaedes wrote: | I think the generated pixels are not the art. The whole piece | is the art, made by the artist, i.e. the OP. | LegitShady wrote: | perhaps the whole installation is art, if as a whole there's | some kind of overall intention, message, or communication. | Personally having trouble seeing that here. It's more a tech | demo. It's a digital picture frame that generates its | pictures procedurally from a neural network. | mfi wrote: | I'm glad that you're bringing this up, because it's an | interesting (almost philosophical question) around what art | is. | | In my mind, the interesting part in this installation is | not necessarily the generated artworks, but rather the fact | that they are one push of a button away from being deleted | forever. It adds a consumable aspect to the installation, | which I think is interesting. Can that evoke emotions and | be art in itself? | | But that being said, I don't look at myself as an artist. | I'm a simple Data Scientist enjoying building projects at | the intersection of technology, woodwork and art (whatever | that is). | LegitShady wrote: | >but rather the fact that they are one push of a button | away from being deleted forever | | but how is that expressed or communicated through the | installation? Why should anyone value random patterns | generated by a machine that had no intention? | | I find andy goldsworthy's art incredible, and he bases | his work almost entirely on this idea of impermanent art | (although his is usually found materials). I'm not sure | its communicated by what you've presented. | | I think the impermanence of random patterns that don't | communicate anything is something you can find | interesting rather than something thats communicated by | the video screen, or the intention of the installation. | | It's a cool project, but ya, still not sold on this being | art per se. | lucidrains wrote: | use CLIP to generate a title for each piece of art, followed by a | description with GPT, and it is ready for exhibition | reacharavindh wrote: | As cool as this is, I have been struggling to find a good non-AI | digital photo display for my house. | | The common ones you can buy as "digital photo frame" on Amazon | sucks in image quality. I would like a minimalistic digital photo | display that is colour accurate, hidpi, preferably have a way to | store a handful of hi res images(if not, Adding a Pi-zero for | this is still okay). Oh I am not so rich or hosting an art | gallery or anything, so, it must be less than 700 bucks(the cost | of an iPad). I don't understand why such a thing doesn't exist | already. | quickthrower2 wrote: | What about an android tablet? | slobot wrote: | I did something like this for an install using cheap 10" | android tablets and kiosk software I found on the app store. | Worked like a charm. | | ** https://slobots.com/2019/01/gallery-view-i-love-my-robot- | at-... | artur_makly wrote: | a possible next step > add a motion sensor to *swipe fwd/back the | artworks. _using a smooth pixel morphing blended transition. | | *or when toilet flushes ;-)_ | itronitron wrote: | Worth considering that you could purchase a very good painting | from a local artist or gallery for much less than the money and | time that was spent on this project. While I get that this is a | fun project, an actual work of art will provide much more | enrichment over the many years that it will outlive an AI art | installation. | Kiro wrote: | I prefer this over any static art. | fksadfji12 wrote: | lol | mdoms wrote: | I build my own furniture. It costs me more than something I | could buy of equivalent or better quality. That's not the | point. | dvtrn wrote: | Incredible thing about art is that people value it differently | and for different reasons, so maybe the idea of "enrichment" | isn't something universal? | raman162 wrote: | Very cool. I now have a reason to get my hands on a Jetson. Also | great work on the detailed readme. | mfi wrote: | Thanks! Yeah, the Xavier NX was way more powerful than what I | expected! | linguistbreaker wrote: | Check out 77 Million Paintings by Brain Eno | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77_Million_Paintings | didntknowya wrote: | great write up. | mholm wrote: | I was thinking the Frame TV had better color grading for the | color temperature of the room. Does your video output not take | advantage of this? | hwayne wrote: | This is amazingly cool. | mfi wrote: | Thanks! | dr-detroit wrote: | Taking things my kid could do into the next generation. Awesome. | mirroregami wrote: | Really cool. One piece of feedback: Try to get the white balance | to better match the warm wight light of the room. The tv will | blend in much much better. | mfi wrote: | Thanks, I'll try to improve the balance :) | jnwatson wrote: | See 1 for an innovative example of auto-calibrating | brightness and white balance. | | 1. https://www.claybavor.com/blog/a-canvas-made-of-pixels | ggggtez wrote: | I like the idea, but the art is meh. | snarfmachine wrote: | Very cool. But have you put it up against the AI Turing test? :) | https://gumgum.com/guides/artificial | dekhn wrote: | The creator of ElectricSheep installs large installations like | this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Draves it uses | crowdsourced human preference functions to drive the art | evolution | [deleted] | wyldfire wrote: | Max Fischer? By any chance did you petition to keep a Latin class | at your private high school? ;) | mfi wrote: | Haha no, but it has definitely help me to hide embarrassing | images from my youth on Google ;) It only show images from | Rushmore | A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: | First, I would like to say well done. Not just the project -- it | is neat. I particularly appreciate the fact that it includes all | the less obvious, to me, pieces like building appropriate box, | sanding and so on. | | I wish more projects were like this ( as in, showed most of the | steps ). | mfi wrote: | Thanks, I appreciate it! | | I really enjoy writing these guides for others to learn, it | forces me to think more about the process :) | | If you liked this one, I've also written another guide where I | built a full-size arcade machine from scratch: | https://github.com/maxvfischer/DIY-arcade | [deleted] | MikeDelta wrote: | Nice! Art being lost forever is art in itself. | mfi wrote: | That's what I think as well, it adds an interesting dimension | to the installation | Animats wrote: | Now have it automatically issue one NFT every few minutes. | Profit! | nelsnelson wrote: | https://i.imgur.com/vpBRAjJ.png | amirGi wrote: | This is so freakin cool | mfi wrote: | Glad you liked it! | slobot wrote: | As an artist and an avid reader of HN, I find this both | fascinating and terrifying (!) at the same time. Before I started | painting robots, I painted abstracts and was heavily influenced | by Abstract Expressionism. The images that your AI are generating | (creating?!) are really cool. Equally as cool is that the images | are deleted once a new one is generated, because a lot of the | famous artists destroyed or painted over old works. | shadowgovt wrote: | That's extremely cool. Well done. :) | mfi wrote: | Thanks, it was a fun project! | landgenoot wrote: | Cool! Could also be nice with a A3 color printer and paper | shredder. Banksy-style. | | This would make it less tv-isih | sova wrote: | Very beautiful. If I trained the network on say, just drawings | and painting Mondrian did, do you think they'd converge | stylistically? | | Is a huge (5,000+ items) dataset required to get decent results? | mfi wrote: | Thanks! | | I think it's quite likely that you will heavily overfit the | network if you only use a handful of images, where it might end | up reconstructing the exact paintings. I only have experience | using 5,000+ images. | artur_makly wrote: | This reminds me a lot of this Japanese Product/Service: | https://frm.fm/overview | lurker619 wrote: | Would it have been easier to generate these images on some cloud | gpu and stream/send the images to a smart tv? To avoid building | and fabricating all the hardware components? | SwiftyBug wrote: | But then OP would have skipped a lot of the fun | mfi wrote: | Exactly, a big part of the project was to learn about edge- | computing and integrating sensors with the GPIOs. But sure, | that would've been possible to do. | mrtweetyhack wrote: | this is just proof that any splash of shit is abstract art | orangegreen wrote: | I wonder if using a color e-ink display would make the art look | more appealing on a wall. | spywaregorilla wrote: | I've had the same thought, but alas. Prices are terrible. | arsome wrote: | A little white balance work would go a long way I suspect. An | OLED panel would really make things pop, but the burn-in issue | might be a problem unless you had it rotating very regularly. | mfi wrote: | It probably will! I actually looked into buying a color e-ink | display, but ended up using a The Frame instead for a couple of | reasons: | | * They are incredibly expensive if you want ~32" | | * I wasn't sure that it would've worked together with the | Nvidia Xavier NX. | artur_makly wrote: | wow first time I heard of this beast. | https://www.samsung.com/us/tvs/the-frame/highlights/ looks | incredible thanks for sharing. | sjg007 wrote: | How is the samsung frame? I am thinking of getting one.. | mfi wrote: | I think you're trading of the design for a bit of quality, | you'll probably get more bang for the buck if you buy a | non-designer smart TV. That being said, it's still a good | TV! | gidam wrote: | it's funny what tech people consider Art. LOL | [deleted] | qq4 wrote: | do you find any of the generated images interesting? there is no | thought behind any of them which leads me curious to how | captivating they might be. | mfi wrote: | Some of them are nice, but a lot of them are trash as well. So | you need to click a few times before you find something you (I) | like | chorsestudios wrote: | Any chance you have a gallery somewhere with some of the | nicer images? | henearkr wrote: | Maybe a stupid question, but why the Samsung connect box if the | Jetson already has a HDMI output? | mfi wrote: | If I remember correctly, The Frame 32" only has a One Connect | cable connection on the back. The reason is that you won't get | the flat TV-to-wall surface otherwise. | [deleted] | Sn0wCoder wrote: | Very cool. I work from home in my basement and would enjoy such a | device. Any plans to sell them? Or know of similar devices? I | could probably build one, but most likely would end up in pieces | next to my other random projects... | mfi wrote: | No, I currently have no plan to sell it. There's a lot of | overhead involved when selling stuff, and I mostly enjoy | building stuff like this :) | Sn0wCoder wrote: | Sounds good. Like others have said an API around the | generator would be cool too, then all I need is a webpage and | a monitor. | huntercross wrote: | Art shouldn't be unlimited. Its ok to call things screensavers, | because screensavers are also cool, its just that it isnt art in | the sense of "art" the word, if an AI is doing it, its something | else, and making it unlimited is not interesting, it is | irresponsible. Its the constraints that make art what it is, not | simply the definition of an infinite possibility space | fobdkbfjh wrote: | If you're going to gatekeep what art can be, you better have | some pretty impressive creative credentials of your own. Some | people say "an unlimited edition is meaningless, has no value" | and all they really mean is "I'm conservative, I don't see the | point of change, and I can't think of any way an unlimited | edition could be interesting" | LegitShady wrote: | Having a different opinion isn't gatekeeping, it's | disagreeing. No one is stopping this person from doing what | they want. | | Second, if your definition of art is unlimited, it's hardly | useful, so I don't think it matters. | mrits wrote: | It certainly isn't unlimited. It is confined by resolution and | color depth. | swayvil wrote: | We could call art, "made-objects that get you high with beauty" | | We could also call art, "byproducts of artistic (beauty-guided) | action" | xrd wrote: | This is awesome. Is the StyleGAN code removed (to keep it | private)? I see this commit message: "Remove my ML stuff." I'm | interested in understanding the StyleGAN if you are open to | sharing it. | mfi wrote: | Thanks! Yeah, I removed it as I want people to use their own | generative art in their own build. But if you're interested, | here's the implementation I used: | https://github.com/taki0112/StyleGAN-Tensorflow | xrd wrote: | I'm struggling a little bit with using StyleGANs so far. Are | you available for a (paid if you prefer) call where I ask you | a few questions about it? If so, xrdawson@gmail.com. | | (I have a connection to Sweden, by the way. My brother lived | in Eskilstuna in high school. So, I learned a little bit of | Swedish when I visited him. His host brother thought it was | really weird I met him and said "jag heter Chris, jag alska | naturen!"). But, I would not feel comfortable talking to you | in Swedish about StyleGAN. :) ). | mfi wrote: | I've sent you an email :) | spoonjim wrote: | The installation is impressive but the output is underwhelming. | Then again, I feel the same about the pieces in most contemporary | art museums. | ghostbrainalpha wrote: | He just needs a higher resolution screen, a screen that is much | bigger, and placed inside of very nice frame. With the cables | hidden. | | Then it's ready for the gallery. | | Especially if you could come up with a way to filter out some | of the images that look too much like how a random broken | monitor will output. | | This image in particular feels like "real" art to me. | https://imgur.com/gaJVSs3 | artiszt wrote: | it's okay as it is -- IF, and only IF, the artist says so ! | | Rauschenberg too, as well as Lichtenstein and many others, | wouldn't have liked it a bit being turned into some hotair | egomaniac 0-creative wraped in plastic in some fin-groupies | Schnabel'oesque or Koons'ian gallery spot | guipsp wrote: | Taking existing art and twisting it is art too. In fact | there was a movement I can't recall the name of dedicated | to this? | pessimizer wrote: | If they're dead we shouldn't worry about what they would | think about what we do; we have enough to worry about. | turtlebits wrote: | Agreed, but I think the animated GIF and small, extremely | compressed JPGs in the repo don't help. Maybe a youtube video? | scollet wrote: | The art is the installation. | jcun4128 wrote: | I wonder if you have to push the button or if it could auto-cycle | at some interval. Powering is always interesting do usually need | a dedicated power source like a wall plug less you had some other | means to get power. Low energy/battery/harvesting maybe (I saw | this runs on a Jetson). | mfi wrote: | I actually implemented it so that you have to push the button. | By adding a dimension where an artwork you like is just a | button-push away from being deleted, it actually makes you | enjoy it more. | jcun4128 wrote: | This is just a thought. I don't know if you're aware of | Github pages (probably) but regarding docs/hosting a basic UI | with tabbed sections to present a chunked form of the README. | swayvil wrote: | Nice. | | What do you think of this? : https://vimeo.com/241051006 | | Also, here's a generative art discord : | https://discord.gg/gVna7Utm | nine_k wrote: | This says a lot about building MDF housing for a Jetson (BTW why | not plywood?), and devotes literally half a dozen pretty generic | lines to the actual art generation code. The algorithm is not | discussed, and even art examples are not shown. | | This is sad, because wooden box building guides are abundant, but | art generation guides are less so, | mrits wrote: | I hope you aren't syncing these random images to your iCloud | account! | oxinabox wrote: | I love how this read me is as much about woodwork as it is about | software | mfi wrote: | I truly enjoy working on projects that includes both areas, | interesting tech and woodwork :) | mfi wrote: | I just finished my latest project, building an AI art | installation at home, generating 100 % unique artworks on the | fly. Just push the button below the screen and another one will | be displayed. When the button has been pushed, the old artwork is | deleted and can't be retrieved again. | | Setup: | | * An Nvidia Jetson Xavier NX was used for all logic, machine | learning inference, art kiosk GUI etc. | | * A StyleGAN was used to generate the artworks, trained on ~5k | images of abstract art. | | * A passive infrared sensor (SR602) was integrated with the | Jetson to reduce screen burn-in. When no movement has been | detected around the installation within a pre-defined threshold, | the screen shuts off until movement is detected. | | * A custom control box was built, encapsulating most of the | electronics. | jonbraun wrote: | Cool installation! What was the process of obtaining the 5k | abstract art images? | mfi wrote: | I scraped them from various art websites. | TuringNYC wrote: | >> Nvidia Jetson Xavier NX | | Curious -- since you're only doing the inference/generation on | the frame, and since you're not doing it all the time, did you | need a Jetson or would an RPI have sufficed? Did you test | inference speeds across different edge compute options? | dheera wrote: | Yeah I think the way I'd do it (personally) is have an RPi | constantly generate new images in the background and cache | them until storage is maxed out, then when you hit the button | it just fetches the next image from cache. | | That would allow the frame to be somewhat lower power and | also decrease ventilation requirements -- no fan needed. | raisedbyninjas wrote: | Is it me or is this more of a woodworking guide than an AI | art guide? I only see a small blurb to _put AI art code | here_. Presumably the button /replenish image dir. is a | seed component to the AI. I suppose that further removing | the art generation from the installation diminishes the | magic of art. The engineer in me would further trim this | down by pre-generating art on a PC and slap it on an SD | card plugged into basic picture digital frame. Or dispense | with storage and connect it to Wifi to poll | AIArtAsAService.com. | bluerival wrote: | The difference between this project and a digital photo | frame is as you've described - The AI generation. I think | the destruction makes it special too, if every unique | image disappears forever at the click of a button. | binarymax wrote: | Really beautifully done. Thank you for sharing it with us! | | Quick question: can you use the Nvidia Jetson Xavier NX to | train a model? Or can it only be used for inference? | Quarrel wrote: | Ok, so this is cool as fuck. | | I don't think much of the actually produced art, but the fact | that you laid out your whole process makes this drool-worthy. | Now it is just a challenge as to- can I do better? | | Great job. | wombatmobile wrote: | Nobody could include more individual photos in the how to. | | This one has how many gazillion photos? | PebblesRox wrote: | Oooh, next step is to create an AI picture frame that | generates images based on the photo documentation of its | own creation. | mfi wrote: | Glad you like it! | | Of course you can! Give it a try and share it afterwards ;) | throwaway158497 wrote: | Cool project. How much does this setup cost you? | mfi wrote: | Hmm, I think The Frame 32" was about $500 and the Nvidia | Xavier NX costed as much (including import taxes etc). The | other stuff (cable channels, screws, MDF etc) was probably | around $50. So a total of around ~$1050. | dheera wrote: | Interesting! I built a generative art frame based on "{Shan, | Shui}" by Lingdong Huang | | https://dheera.net/projects/einkframe/ | | but also planning to use it for neural-net based generative | art. I wasn't planning on putting a NX in it though, I was | thinking of just keeping the Pi Zero in there and have it do | all computations in "the cloud" or on a Nano/Xavier box sitting | elsewhere on the same network. | | I'm currently working on a 3-panel version of the above: | | https://imgur.com/a/3IfKpb3 | | I didn't make my own frame though, I designed the dimensions | and had it custom-built by a frame company, which was | surprisingly affordable. | mfi wrote: | That is amazing!! I actually looked into buying an E-ink | screen for this project, but decided not to due to the cost | and the lack of compatibility. | | Was the E-ink screen simple to work with? | dheera wrote: | As long as you get the HAT, yes. I had to desolder the | header and solder on a 90-degree header to get my low- | profile layout, that was a pain. They weren't able to ship | me a HAT without pins soldered :( | | The documentation is sparse but they do have one C++ demo | example and that's pretty much good enough as a reference | to do whatever you want. | | One thing I will caution is to NEVER unplug or plug the | display while the board is powered on, I fried one display | by doing that, but Waveshare was nice enough to replace it | for free one I got a hold of some employee's WeChat. | tyingq wrote: | This is more interesting to me as I'd never suspect it was | generated art. | dheera wrote: | Yeah that was what I was going for, guests who come would | not even know that there are electronics in the frame, and | suddenly the art would change every now and then. | | Requires drilling a fat hole in the wall to send the USB | cable down behind the drywall but meh, needing to patch | drywall when moving out isn't the end of the world, usually | if you chat up the maintainence folk you can get some extra | paint of exactly the right color and spackle/paint it | yourself. | at_a_remove wrote: | What would be amusing is gaze detection such that the art | would change only when someone wasn't looking for a | while, and then maybe only "advance the scroll" an inch | or two. | spoonjim wrote: | What country uses those round black outlets? | mfi wrote: | I'm from Sweden :) | Guillaume86 wrote: | Red countries on this map: https://world-power- | plugs.com/plugs-outlets-types | Justin_K wrote: | Awesome! I'd recommend running your cables behind the drywall, | the look is very clean! | mfi wrote: | Yeah, that would've been optimal, but it's also a lot more | work, so I decided to use cable channels in the end. | prions wrote: | This is really cool! I'd love to seed the GAN with my own | artwork and generate new pieces in my style | kamilszybalski wrote: | this comment seeded an interesting idea! Many artists and | photographers want to get into the NFT space but they don't | necessarily have experience in digital art creation. | | If you could leverage AI to generate digital art based on | real artist/photographer inputs, perhaps you could create a | nice little marketplace business.. or maybe just a simple AI | generator plugin for an existing marketplace.. | didntknowya wrote: | i don't know any real artists who actually want to get into | the NFT space, only con-artists. | tartoran wrote: | Most artists (with some exceptions) want to have nothing to | do with AI generative art. They will simply continue to | produce art the way they do with older technologies such as | paints and brushes, musical instruments, film equipment, | writing tools, and so on. Art making involves a process, a | state of mind and there's always a human behind it who | digests everything around them and spit something out. All | these imitative AI art are beautiful in their own way but | really have no substance; once the wow factor weans out | they won't have much of a leg to stand on in my opinion. | Art making is a self discovering journey at the same time. | | Having said that, I'm curious and somewhat excited to see | how these will evolve. As I said, I find them beautiful. As | a painter myself there is nothing out there that will make | me not paint. Sure, I sometimes use tools but there's | always the me in there who is in control or driven by my | human instinct. | artur_makly wrote: | Everything is a remix. | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-dqUuvLk4 | kamilszybalski wrote: | That's good insight. I am not an artist but I've also run | this idea by a friend who is. He loves the idea and is | curious what a technological interpretation of his work | might look like. He's also interested in how we might use | those interpretations to create a new segment of | collections for this brand. | mfi wrote: | Thanks! Depending on how many artworks you've created, it | might be difficult to train a GAN network on them (due to | overfitting). What you might try is to train one network with | a lot of random artworks, then use a Style-transfer network | to convert the generated pieces into your style. | aketchum wrote: | couldn't you use something like style transfer to take your | own artwork's style and apply it to the generated art? | mfi wrote: | Yeah exactly, that's what I meant! | sandGorgon wrote: | do you have the code for training ? i wasnt able to find it | in your repo. That would be so cool! | mfi wrote: | I left it out as I wanted people to use their own | generative art. Here's the implementation I used: | https://github.com/taki0112/StyleGAN-Tensorflow | bravura wrote: | Do you actually want to disseminate your work and have | many other people try it? Or is that not actually a goal. | | Right now it really feels like this isn't a priority. | Which is fine. | | But if it is a priority that other people replicate your | work, I'm not sure you're making this as easy for people | as possible. | mfi wrote: | My intension is not for people to replicate my work (the | trained GAN-network), but rather supply a tutorial over | how to build the installation. Then people can add their | own generative art/code. It could be ML-generated, or | traditional "code-art". | phkahler wrote: | Or seed it with XKCD. | KingFelix wrote: | Thats what I am thinking about, what kind of images to train | on | dukeofdoom wrote: | Samsung phones come with an adapter that can output to HDMI. Is | there a phone app that could do something like this on a TV? | dogma1138 wrote: | You can probably run it on a SmartTV directly... | lazlee wrote: | I'm curious about, beyond time and labor, how much $$$ the | project ran you. | mfi wrote: | The Frame 32" and Nvidia Xavier NX cost ~$500 each (including | import taxes etc), the rest (cable channels, screws etc) ~$50. | So a total of around $1050 ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-08-18 23:00 UTC)