[HN Gopher] Interview with Jim Anderson, CEO of Lattice Semicond...
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       Interview with Jim Anderson, CEO of Lattice Semiconductor
        
       Author : rbanffy
       Score  : 73 points
       Date   : 2021-08-23 10:34 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.anandtech.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.anandtech.com)
        
       | nixpulvis wrote:
       | Seems like Anandtech needs to hire a few editors.
        
       | DoingIsLearning wrote:
       | > ... we built out a pretty significant portfolio of these
       | applications solutions and they make it very easy for the
       | customer to adopt our devices into their systems...
       | 
       | Very disappointing that on the topic of Software/Toolchain it's
       | more of the same business decisions of just copying the
       | Xilinx/Altera paradigm.
       | 
       | Since they seemed rather non-agressive towards Yosys/SymbiFlow
       | they made me quite hopeful that Lattice would be the fpga players
       | that would kickstart open-source toolchain.
       | 
       | I am tired of being forced to use software that vendors treat as
       | a cost centre. I want to buy your hardware, I want the people
       | that I work with to buy your hw.
       | 
       | I am tired of vendors forcing a graphical programing toolchain
       | that hides complexity behind half baked software. And judging
       | from the Altera/Xilinx forums I know I cannot be alone in this.
        
         | MisterTea wrote:
         | I had fun years ago with FPGA's, first on a digilent nexus 3
         | and then a terasic de0 nano. I kinda gave up as the IDE's
         | sucked and sucked harder if you were on anything other than
         | windows. I spent hours getting Quartus running on Ubuntu,
         | something to do with the draconian licensing software. I also
         | had issues with ISE on Linux and never bothered to move on to
         | Vivaldo for the same reason, didn't want the headache.
         | 
         | Open your stupid bitstream formats FFS.
        
         | fleventynine wrote:
         | If we could get similar momentum we have with gcc and LLVM
         | behind projects like yosys and nextpnr, FPGAs would be much
         | more useful and likely be a larger market overall.
         | 
         | I'm willing to personally donate 10k a year to projects like
         | these to liberate myself from crappy vendor tools that I can't
         | improve.
        
           | HansHamster wrote:
           | And what really annoys me about Lattice in particular is that
           | they shut down their community forum and now there is
           | basically no way to get any form of support when using a free
           | license.
           | 
           | A while ago I found a bug in Lattice Radiant that produced
           | broken PLL configurations. I reproduced this and confirmed
           | that it doesn't happen in their iCECube software, but had no
           | desire to argue with their support about why they should even
           | look at it when I'm not paying $$$ for the software...
           | 
           | I permanently switched to the open toolchain and never had
           | any serious issues since...
        
         | UncleOxidant wrote:
         | I guess I'm not seeing from that quote how they're anti-
         | Yosys/SymbiFlow. Are you saying that they just aren't as
         | helpful towards the open source FPGA tools as they could be?
         | Lattice still seems to be more open towards these kinds of open
         | source tools than Xilinx/Altera by far. Yes, Lattice should
         | probably be more proactive in actually working with the open
         | source developers, but baby steps, I guess.
        
         | deelowe wrote:
         | The secret sauce is in the software. The hardware isn't that
         | revolutionary. On top of that, fpga vendors have this habit of
         | outsourcing every little thing. This makes it super difficult
         | for them to embrace open source give the IP liabilities.
        
           | amelius wrote:
           | > The secret sauce is in the software.
           | 
           | I'll take my hardware without the sauce, thank you!
        
             | liaukovv wrote:
             | That would make hardware a commodity and there is not
             | enough margin in commodoties.
        
           | ohazi wrote:
           | The secret sauce may be in the software, but the software
           | they sell you is a 1998 edition of Borland C++, and we're all
           | screaming at them to please just make their hardware an LLVM
           | target already.
        
           | rowanG077 wrote:
           | I see an open source tool chain but not an open source FPGA.
           | Doesn't that by itself prove the secret sauce is not that
           | secret.
        
             | nereye wrote:
             | There are various efforts in this area, e.g. see
             | https://osfpga.org/, https://openfpga.readthedocs.io/ etc.
        
       | akelly wrote:
       | Video version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDNtcBh-3o0
       | 
       | It's a decent overview of Lattice's business and some of their
       | applications. Nothing too technical. A shame Ian didn't ask about
       | open source toolchains.
        
         | pininja wrote:
         | I started watching Ian this year and have really enjoyed his
         | reporting. I would like to learn more about how he learned this
         | complicated industry... he's so knowledgeable!
        
       | rowanG077 wrote:
       | Basically just a marketing fluff interview. Would love to see
       | lattice ditch their shitty tooling and dedicate time to
       | developing yosys and nextpnr. Nextpnr especially misses crucial
       | features.
        
       | cushychicken wrote:
       | I was surprised to hear lotsa talk about FPGAs and basically
       | nothing about HDMI or silicon video tech.
       | 
       | Turns out Lattice bought Silicon Image in 2015, then turned
       | around and sold off the HDMI portion of the business to another
       | company I've never heard of, which was _again_ sold - to Analog
       | Devices.
       | 
       | Huh. Silly me for not paying attention.
        
       | frank0631 wrote:
       | I like the direction Lattice is going. The bigger FPGA developers
       | Xilinx and Intel are going for bigger, denser, faster, more
       | ultra-ram, and as many LUTs as the chip can handle; Lattice is
       | going for smaller, cheaper, and more accessible. I'm very
       | surprised to hear they're going after low power edge AI, but it's
       | niche markets like that where FPGAs shine!
        
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