[HN Gopher] Malware found preinstalled in classic push-button ph...
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       Malware found preinstalled in classic push-button phones sold in
       Russia
        
       Author : giuliomagnifico
       Score  : 188 points
       Date   : 2021-09-05 07:15 UTC (15 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (therecord.media)
 (TXT) w3m dump (therecord.media)
        
       | legrande wrote:
       | Presume _any_ phone you own has malware in it, and adjust your
       | behavior accordingly. This means putting the phone in a Faraday
       | sleeve when not using it, so it can 't communicate with a C2,
       | putting black nail varnish on the camera, keeping the phone in
       | another room when having a sensitive conversation, etc
       | 
       | For doing the crimes, use a desktop PC with a TailsOS flash drive
       | and communicate with XMPP with OTR preferably with Intel
       | Management Engine neutered and removed. Do _Not_ use a smartphone
       | or dumbphone for criminal dealings.
        
         | RotaryTelephone wrote:
         | Found the criminal.
        
           | recursive wrote:
           | Not hard to do. It would be harder to find a non-criminal.
        
         | askonomm wrote:
         | Can't tell if you are being serious or not.
        
           | celim307 wrote:
           | For a certain demographic this is good advice
        
             | askonomm wrote:
             | For criminals, I guess?
        
               | recursive wrote:
               | Everyone's a criminal. Some just haven't been charged or
               | convicted yet.
        
               | celim307 wrote:
               | Business secrets, political dissidents, journalists.
               | Let's not start the "if you got nothing to hide" argument
        
               | atok1 wrote:
               | Hey, we can't slander or marginalize any group now.
               | Criminals have rights!
        
             | alisonkisk wrote:
             | why use the phone at all? its still not safe, because it
             | tracks your movements.
        
         | contravariant wrote:
         | My preferred method is to skip to the end and just carry around
         | a brick. Attaching a message to it and throwing it is a pretty
         | effective way of communicating, provided the recipient is using
         | windows.
        
           | grishka wrote:
           | But what if they are using linux
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | dtgriscom wrote:
           | You have to tie a string to it, so you can reclaim it before
           | sending your next message.
        
             | ronsor wrote:
             | You can't remain anonymous if you tie a string.
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | From what appears to be a russian reddit about the one that opens
       | a GPRS connection:
       | 
       | > Here it was one to one, on a simple dialer with a flashlight
       | from Fly, Bata bought it, because he liked the big screen and big
       | buttons, what he needed, he can't even write SMS, only calls, so
       | the tariff is without the Internet. And it began, once every two
       | or three days, Internet access (usually at night) for 15-20kb,
       | and the operator rounds up to a megabyte. Just like you, I turned
       | off the data transfer in the phone, deleted the dots, everything
       | was useless.
       | 
       | https://pikabu.ru/story/troyanyi_i_byekdoryi_v_knopochnyikh_...
       | 
       | The (a?) Russian seller has now recalled the phone:
       | 
       | > DNS announces a recall campaign for two models of Dexp cell
       | phones:
       | 
       | > DEXP B281 2.8 "GSM / 2SIM / 240x320 / 0.3MP / MicroSD / BT / FM
       | / 1000mAh > DEXP SD2810 2.8" GSM / 2SIM / 240x320 / 0.3MP /
       | MicroSD / BT / FM / 1800mAh
       | 
       | > due to possible manufacturing defect.
       | 
       | https://www.dns-shop.ru/news/374ef223-0bc4-11ec-a2b1-00155db...
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | markus_zhang wrote:
       | Guess I need to learn how to dump the firmware of a dumb phone
       | eventually. Does anyone have any advice about this? I'm reading
       | some articles but looks like "dumb phone" consists of a wide
       | range of phones from authentic Nokia old timers to who-knows
       | companies.
        
       | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
       | Once I have bought a no-name tablet made in China that had
       | malware installed in an unremovable 'browser' app. It was
       | displaying ads on top of other apps, and was _installing new
       | apps_ onto tablet, and also restoring deleted apps, and also
       | installing false copies of well known apps. It was rather ok
       | because i bought it with the intention of tearing it apart, but
       | still, the lesson for me was, _NEVER_ enter sensitive personal
       | data in devices of unknown origins.
        
         | ronsor wrote:
         | Hey, it technically was a browser app. It just lets the shady
         | developers browse the contents of your tablet.
        
         | userbinator wrote:
         | Keep in mind that the devices from manufacturers which people
         | usually "trust" more also have a similar, although less-
         | blatantly-malicious, degree of disobeying you by default
         | (silent automatic updates, unremovable system apps, etc.)
         | 
         | You could root it, and that would actually give you full
         | control to delete/install/modify whatever you want.
         | 
         | I think the real lesson here is that if you do not have full
         | control over a device, it is not truly yours and may disobey
         | you.
        
           | pessimizer wrote:
           | I agree, this is basically how all tech companies work now.
           | The only thing that holds it back is the outrage cycle, which
           | 
           | a) only turns its spotlight on companies above a certain
           | size/visibility,
           | 
           | b) can be defeated with a large enough marketing/lobbying
           | spend, and
           | 
           | c) can be waited out by companies with other lines of
           | business that bring in profits, and
           | 
           | d) can be combated with cycles of withdrawing, quietly
           | reintroducing, then withdrawing again, and reintroducing
           | again until
           | 
           | d1.) media outlets get bored with it, or
           | 
           | d2.) all other companies in the same line start to do the
           | same thing, a traditional way of price-fixing. Once this
           | happens, the only way you'll be stopped is with legislation,
           | because e.g. every TV has banner ad pop-ups from the
           | manufacturer now.
        
             | jmrm wrote:
             | > every TV has banner ad pop-ups from the manufacturer now.
             | 
             | AFAIK, Samsung and cheap Chinese brands (Vizio, TCL, and
             | similar) do this.
             | 
             | Months ago I was between buying a LG or a Sony because they
             | don't have bad reputation around this, and the LG I finally
             | bought haven't any ad. Also, cookies, extra internet stuff,
             | and the Alexa service can be deactivated separately without
             | affecting apps like Netflix
        
           | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
           | Of a well-known manufacturers, I noticed Xiaomi to do some
           | real shit: it had an app preinstalled that displayed ads
           | above other apps. But at least when I identified the culprit,
           | it was possible to remove it completely and the problem went
           | away.
        
             | kofejnik wrote:
             | I had pretty much same experience with my Xiaomi phone (in
             | my case, push ads were coming from a hidden non-removable
             | xiaomi service)
        
           | throw_nbvc1234 wrote:
           | They're not the same though; these problems need to be looked
           | at through a combination of ability (to exploit) and
           | motivation. Apple/Google isn't going to try and steal your
           | identity, bank account info, or numerous other "small" things
           | that some unknown and unaccountable company selling malware
           | infected hardware could do.
           | 
           | It's like when people state that online voting should be safe
           | because online banking is safe. I'm pretty sure if a nation
           | state really wanted to steal a few grand from your
           | (individual) bank account, they'd be able to do it. But it'd
           | probably cost them more money/power in doing so then it's
           | worth it.
        
             | labster wrote:
             | Online banking is safe because it is auditable and
             | traceable. Voting has anonymity and chain-of-custody
             | requirements that make doing it online extremely difficult.
        
             | guerrilla wrote:
             | You're moving the goalpost from what Andrew and the person
             | responding said though. The Chinese phone is acting just
             | like a Samsung phone, only a tad bit worse. The Russian
             | phone and the ones you mention are of course another story
             | like you say but that's not what you were responding to,
             | which is a valid point.
        
             | drran wrote:
             | > Apple/Google isn't going to try and steal your identity,
             | bank account info, or numerous other "small" things
             | 
             | You can believe in that, and trust them, but you cannot
             | prove that, unless you have access to the source of
             | everything installed by Google/Apple, and source of third
             | party apps, favored by Google/Apple. But, even if you're
             | working for a government agency and have access to sources,
             | it's still a monumental task to do, because of the volume
             | of the sources. It's why we, Linux owners, were crying when
             | trivial initd and trivial shell scripts, which are easy to
             | read and understand in about an hour or two, were replaced
             | by Systemd, which may take days just to read source.
        
               | gnopgnip wrote:
               | Apple, Amazon, Google are not going to steal your credit
               | card, identity, bank account info because you could sue
               | them, and because consumer protections agencies would
               | pursue them. The same is not true if you buy a no name
               | tablet with malware pre loaded
        
               | google234123 wrote:
               | > Linux owners, were crying when trivial initd and
               | trivial shell scripts, which are easy to read and
               | understand in about an hour or two, were replaced by
               | Systemd
               | 
               | Nah, most Linux owners didn't care and the fact that the
               | most distribution voted with their feet to switch should
               | say enough. Also, full init script were not trivial.
        
             | pessimizer wrote:
             | > Apple/Google isn't going to try and steal your identity,
             | bank account info, or numerous other "small" things that
             | some unknown and unaccountable company selling malware
             | infected hardware could do.
             | 
             | They all _could_ do it, but are you aware of any
             | manufacturer-installed malware or rootkits on a device that
             | have? They don 't steal your bank account info or
             | impersonate you _ever_ as far as I know, they make money
             | off you in the same way every other company does.
             | 
             | If we can't show any instances, then it becomes difficult
             | to find this materially worse than what other tech
             | companies do. It becomes more like embarrassment from being
             | owned by a obscure foreign company rather than a famous
             | American one.
        
               | Razengan wrote:
               | > _They all could do it_
               | 
               | That account name is apt. _Everybody -could-_ do it. Even
               | your spouse, your best friend, your parents. They _could_
               | all steal your shit. But for sanity's sake a balance has
               | to be struck between trust and paranoia.
        
               | krono wrote:
               | The main difference, of course, being that your best
               | friend is someone you could actually make having to face
               | the legal consequences (and/or punch in the face).
               | 
               | These oversized American corporations are practically
               | untouchable to the majority of people. They'll pay their
               | laughable fines, pinky promises to better self-regulate
               | for real this time, and move on. Leaving you in the dirt.
        
               | [deleted]
        
         | orbital-decay wrote:
         | Before a certain Android version it was pretty common for
         | Aliexpress sellers to plant unremovable ads, third-party
         | stores, and god knows what else into the otherwise clean
         | firmware, to be able to sell the phone with a discount. They
         | usually didn't deny it, or even genuinely wondered - what's
         | wrong with it? You bought it for a cheaper price after all, you
         | should be happy, the seller is happy, everyone is, have a nice
         | day sir. (a real conversation I had years ago)
        
         | Engineering-MD wrote:
         | It is the potential of hardware compromise that concerns me.
         | Software can be wiped, but if the hardware itself contains
         | backdoors, software can then be install at any time.
         | Furthermore, given the global supply system, its so hard to
         | confirm that any hardware is not compromised.
        
       | leephillips wrote:
       | When I need to replace my phone, how to I make sure my next one
       | has never entered Chinese-controlled territory at any stage of
       | its manufacture--including all its components?
        
         | mnd999 wrote:
         | You can't.
        
           | Engineering-MD wrote:
           | Can you instead verify that each component is uncorrupted, a
           | hardware hash function if you will? Looking at density,
           | centre of gravity, weight, appearance, and/or radiographic
           | imaging?
        
         | 3r8Oltr0ziouVDM wrote:
         | https://shop.puri.sm/shop/librem-5-usa ?
        
           | leephillips wrote:
           | $1,999: the cost of telephonic security. Looks good.
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | > but connects online via GPRS behind the user's back and sends
       | data to a remote server, including phone IMEI and IMSI codes.
       | 
       | This could end up costing you an absolute fortune in Canada if
       | you use data without a mobile plan.
       | 
       | > The phone sends an SMS with the phone IMEI and IMSI codes to
       | phone numbers hardcoded in the firmware.
       | 
       | This could be fun.
        
       | mdp2021 wrote:
       | > _caught subscribing users to premium SMS services_
       | 
       | If one thought of espionage...
       | 
       | > _Also intercepts SMS confirmation messages and replies on
       | behalf of the user_
       | 
       | > _All the remote servers that received this activity were
       | located in China_
        
         | orbital-decay wrote:
         | Espionage is highly unlikely since nobody important will buy
         | cheapest of the cheap dumb phones. Most likely it's used for CC
         | theft, spam, proxying, forcing unwanted paid subscriptions, and
         | other scamming schemes. That DEXP is involved is especially
         | interesting because it's a face brand for DNS, a large Russian
         | retailer. While all these models are Chinese OEM phones with a
         | label slapped on them and little to no modification otherwise,
         | it's possible that DNS is involved.
         | 
         | I also want to mention that "Russian hacker groups don't do
         | cybercrime at home, and the state lets them do it abroad" meme,
         | which half of HN seems to sincerely believe, is _extremely_
         | misguided, and just sounds bizarre to anyone who follows the
         | topic. There is a continuum of loosely related Russian-speaking
         | criminals in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Baltic
         | States (mostly Lithuanian criminals who traditionally work as
         | the EU bridge for others), and it 's always hard to tell who
         | located where. Some of them have some ties with the Russian
         | state (regardless of the country of origin), most don't.
         | Domestic cybercrime is _rampant_ in Russia, often involves big
         | names (such as top 3 mobile operators in Russia) and the mere
         | notion it 's controlled in some way is ridiculous. The only
         | issue is there's not much money to steal, so they turn to EU
         | and US targets.
        
           | ahsima1 wrote:
           | Actually, considering the low pay and the rules, prohibiting
           | snartphones at many russian defence companies, cheap dumb
           | phones may be a great target for espionage.
        
             | orbital-decay wrote:
             | _> and the rules, prohibiting snartphones at many russian
             | defence companies_
             | 
             | In such companies, you typically leave any electronic
             | devices on you (including watches) at the gate, from
             | clocking in to clocking out. Nobody would care if your
             | phone is dumb, it's still breaking the rule.
        
               | ahsima1 wrote:
               | Depends, some do indeed ban all electronic devices,
               | others only ban smartphones and any devices with cameras.
               | Probably after this incicident most of them will move
               | towards the former policy.
        
           | dantyti wrote:
           | >mostly Lithuanian criminals who traditionally work as the EU
           | bridge for others
           | 
           | could you share any source for this?
        
           | boomboomsubban wrote:
           | >Espionage is highly unlikely since nobody important will buy
           | cheapest of the cheap dumb phones
           | 
           | I agree that this event is unlikely to be espionage, but
           | someone important might buy a cheap dumb burner phone. I
           | wouldn't put it past an intelligence agency to wholesale
           | compromise cheap dumb phones for that reason.
        
           | thriftwy wrote:
           | According to the original article, DEXP has stopped selling
           | these phones and is doing internal investigation.
           | 
           | The real criminal here is Russia's big three (I would say,
           | excluding MTS but including a new hot contender Tele2) who
           | repeatedly rob vulnerable and elderly people via "paid
           | content" schemas which have zero usefulness outside of scam.
        
       | sys_64738 wrote:
       | How do we never hear from the individuals who actually wrote the
       | code to do these things? We be great to get an expose on the
       | motivations and rationale for all these creeper spyware installed
       | by rogue companies.
        
       | srvmshr wrote:
       | In Russia, you don't own a phone; the phone owns you
        
         | coldtea wrote:
         | So just like in the US?
        
           | jdthedisciple wrote:
           | Please -- evidence? (In case you're actually insinuating that
           | the US has precedence, or even present cases, of sth. like
           | this)
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | valparaiso wrote:
           | Russia is already authoritarian state where people are jailed
           | for no reason and USA is leaning towards it with left-
           | extremists agenda.
        
           | 3r8Oltr0ziouVDM wrote:
           | Yes.
        
       | Scoundreller wrote:
       | Apple pulls some tricks like this with otherwise hidden-from-user
       | SMSs.
       | 
       | In France, some cheap SIM cards charge per mb and per SMS until
       | you register a plan. So I carefully disabled mobile data, avoided
       | SMS, loaded 10 EUR of credit over wifi, which 'activated' the
       | phone on the network, but when I went to sign up for the 10 EUR
       | plan, I found I only had 9,95 EUR left.
       | 
       | As soon as credit was loaded, my iPhone sent an SMS ping to an
       | Apple shortcode to tell iMessage my new number. The sending and
       | record of this SMS was completely hidden from the user on the
       | phone. Cue some he-said she-said with the carrier about whether I
       | did or didn't send an SMS. Most mobile providers zero-rate
       | shortcodes to Apple and hide it on their billing system too, but
       | not Lebara.
       | 
       | So I had to add 5 EUR more of credit just to buy the 10 EUR
       | package for the month.
        
       | uzakov wrote:
       | Link to the original research https://habr.com/ru/post/575626/
        
         | greenyoda wrote:
         | Translation from Russian to English:
         | https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=ru&tl=en&u=htt...
        
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