[HN Gopher] Increased risk of traffic accidents in subjects with...
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Increased risk of traffic accidents in subjects with latent
toxoplasmosis (2002)
Author : ansaso
Score : 78 points
Date : 2021-09-05 12:58 UTC (10 hours ago)
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| throwthere wrote:
| As interesting as this is, it's kind of got my spidy-sense
| tingling. How many non-significant outcomes did test and not
| publish before seeing traffic accidents? The perfect dose-
| dependence gives more credence (increasing odds ratio at
| increasing titers), although the sample size is small.
| Pyramus wrote:
| Yes, the dose-response is the interesting bit, and strong
| indication for causation.
|
| Not an expert so don't know how well we understand the
| mechanism of action, which is crucial.
| hn_throwaway_99 wrote:
| The paper states high up that it's been well studied that
| Toxoplasmosis infection increases reaction time - this study
| was basically just showing that that laboratory-viewed metric
| has real-world consequences.
|
| As far as mechanism of action, T. gondii infects both neurons
| in the brain and glial cells.
| WarOnPrivacy wrote:
| You mean if I was TOXO free, I could be an even MORE aggressive
| driver? Totally going to mainline some Ivermectin.
| prvc wrote:
| The case for devoting resources towards developing an efficient
| cure is becoming clear.
| splittingTimes wrote:
| Stanford neuroendocrinology researcher Robert Sapolsky Explains
| Toxoplasmosis on the Joe Rogan podcast. Utterly fascinating.
|
| https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NroiGfNohPo
| bmeski wrote:
| So cat people can't drive well? We've always known this.
| whateveracct wrote:
| what exactly constitutes a "cat person" exactly?
|
| the dichotomy between "dog people" and "cat people" had always
| been interesting and telling to me.
|
| dog people will go as far as blame you for their "reactive" dog
| who can "tell when your nervous around him."
|
| not-cat people mostly don't like cats because..the cats are
| "rude" to them?
|
| In a way, these are similar experiences. You are behaving in a
| way the animal doesn't like, and the animal is reacting
| negatively.
|
| With the dog, there isn't much you can easily do about a dog
| who doesn't know you and feels threatened when you stand up.
| You're dealing with a few steps removed from a beast in that
| situation.
|
| But for cats, you can probably just be more cat-polite if you
| actually want the cat to be nice to you. Same goes for people
| haha
| bmeski wrote:
| I don't even know haha. All the cat people in my life are
| vastly different drivers. The joke appeared instantly and I
| had to pull the trigger.
| gruez wrote:
| >what exactly constitutes a "cat person" exactly?
|
| >the dichotomy between "dog people" and "cat people" had
| always been interesting and telling to me.
|
| I think by "cat person" he meant less "I like cats", and more
| "cat lady"
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis#Society_and_cult.
| ..
| eurasiantiger wrote:
| > the dichotomy between "dog people" and "cat people"
|
| In my experience, there are many kinds of both.
|
| - cat/dog people who are primarily just animal lovers and
| take in rescue cats/dogs
|
| - cat/dog people who primarily want to have a non-human
| companion in their daily life
|
| - dog people who primarily want to use a dog to aid them in
| some activity, e.g. hunting
|
| - cat/dog people who primarily want to show off their dog
| with pride
|
| - cat/dog people who primarily want to breed cats/dogs for
| sale to other enthusiasts
|
| - dog people who primarily enjoy dominating another species
| and having them at their mercy
|
| - cat/dog people who are running a kitten/puppy mill for
| profit
|
| - cat people who are themselves independent and value that
| quality in cats
| kodah wrote:
| The joke to me seemed to be poking fun at correlation and
| causation.
|
| In a literal sense, people get pets for different reasons. A
| lot of people get cats because they're more independent where
| dog owners cite "having a companion" because dogs have a
| closer relationship to humans through domestication.
|
| Animals are still animals, domesticated or not. They'll get
| fearful or angry based on correlation of past experience just
| like you and I will. The only difference is that they can't
| explain themselves like you and I can. Anecdotally, I know my
| dog is terrified of fireworks, but I also know she's not gun-
| shy. I also know she doesn't like full face masks (like
| motorcycle helmets), and that she's ready to defend the house
| if there's a knock at the door. All of which sound relatively
| terrifying to the average person when she reacts to them,
| however, when she is actually confronted with the person on
| the other side of the door, the person behind the mask, or
| seeing the fireworks that go "bang" she'll flop on her back
| and ask for belly rubs.
| petre wrote:
| People who want an independent dog should get a Husky or a
| Fox Terrier.
| 11235813213455 wrote:
| and people living in apartments could consider plants as
| pets
| kennywinker wrote:
| I think you're going for a glib lil' fun quip, but that really
| just sounds like sexism one-step-removed to me. The stereotype
| of the cat lady, mixed in with the stereotype of women being
| bad drivers. Unless there's some stereotype about men who like
| cats I'm not aware of?
| atatatat wrote:
| Who was stereotyping?
| jpxw wrote:
| Thank god the joke police have arrived to ensure that nobody
| is entertained inappropriately. Phew, that was a close one.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Serious question: if my reply hadn't been there when you
| arrived would you have been entertained? If so - what was
| entertaining about the comment
| black_niggers wrote:
| kill urself f@ggot
| jpxw wrote:
| It was a glib little quip, as you mentioned. That was the
| entertaining part.
|
| Edit: I've just noticed a particularly vile and
| undeserved comment in reply to you, and to some extent
| feel responsibility, as it's part of a comment chain I
| created. I hope the mods will take action and ban whoever
| made this comment, although by the looks it's a burner
| account. It's quite jarring to see something like that on
| HN.
| kodah wrote:
| Use the flag feature. If enough people flag it the
| comment disappears. That's what I did, downvote and flag
| all comments that don't meet the guidelines for
| participating in HN.
| kennywinker wrote:
| All good. It seems to be gone now, since I can't see it.
| black_niggers wrote:
| kill urself f@ggot
| rkk3 wrote:
| World class mental gymnastics to insert gender identity
| politics into a conservation about pet ownership.
|
| > Unless there's some stereotype about men who like cats I'm
| not aware of?
|
| Yes, there are plenty of stereotypes about "People who like
| cats".
| dgfitz wrote:
| Sincerely, do you get tired of this train of thought? It's
| exhausting for me to attempt to constantly think in this
| paradigm.
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| It's common now for people actively seeking any opportunity
| to be offended on behalf of someone else.
|
| There must be some odd entertainment factor to it that you
| and I don't understand.
|
| I don't know what it's like to be so self-certain and
| absolute that I would take on responsibility of social
| internet police.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Not really "offended". I was actually more hoping I could
| make the original author notice some internalized
| misogyny. I appreciate when people point out when my
| thinking is based in bad stereotypes and assumptions. I
| was going for more of a bros-helping-bros kinda thing.
| [deleted]
| Freestyler_3 wrote:
| Kind of stereotyping/assumptious to think that because
| someone posts something about cat people that the person
| is a man who actually means to say women cant drive.
| [deleted]
| SavantIdiot wrote:
| > It's common now for people actively seeking any
| opportunity to be offended on behalf of someone else.
|
| I never understood why people get so angry at other
| people for showing solidarity, even if they aren't part
| of the oppressed group.
|
| Why does it make you so mad? Seriously, I don't get it.
|
| Is it because no one stands up for you?
|
| Standing up for a minority group that you are not part of
| is called being part of a community, it is literally what
| solidarity is all about. I know that is hard for a lot of
| people on HN to understand, this place is rife with
| mythology of bootstraps & rugged individualism.
|
| By your insane logic, the only person who can stand up
| for someone is that one person. Maybe that is what you
| want?
|
| I'm just baffled by the anger.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Yes it's exhausting. Once you see the atmospheric misogyny
| we're all soaking in, it's very hard to ignore tho.
|
| See also: https://www.theonion.com/woman-takes-short-half-
| hour-break-f...
| SV_BubbleTime wrote:
| Thanks for following up with that. I think linking an
| onion article from seven years go definitely adds context
| to your point of view.
| kennywinker wrote:
| Oh, sorry is the joke not funny because it's 7 years old?
| Because I noticed that "women are bad drivers" jokes have
| been around since the 1920s...
| [deleted]
| koheripbal wrote:
| Im not sure this is the right website for you.
| JohnJamesRambo wrote:
| Now I need Progressive to pay for a round of pyrimethamine and
| sulfadiazine for me.
| rini17 wrote:
| Latent toxoplasmosis is literally insidious, hidden inside body
| fat cells where antibiotics won't reach and only occasionally
| it gets out to infect more cells. So one round is not enough,
| you have to take antibiotics for years until all the infected
| cells die.
| eurasiantiger wrote:
| Hmm. I wonder if there is an antibiotic prodrug that would
| mimic glucose enough for it to be recognised by beta cells,
| get metabolised and release the antibiotic payload inside a
| fat cell.
| nerdponx wrote:
| Is this accepted convention?
|
| It sounds a lot like the explanation for chronic Lyme disease
| (except with nerve tissue and not fat cells), which is
| apparently still quite controversial despite having lots of
| anecdotal evidence to support it.
|
| Also if the parasite is hiding in your fat cells, does that
| also mean that you can't detect it in a blood test?
| rini17 wrote:
| Hmm it is possible I confused it with chlamydia. In any
| case, if it affects behavior, there should be some chemical
| markers too.
| mortenlarsen wrote:
| I wonder what BAC would generate the same effect.
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