[HN Gopher] Ode to the Clamshell iBook G3 - a.k.a. "The Toiletseat"
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       Ode to the Clamshell iBook G3 - a.k.a. "The Toiletseat"
        
       Author : GuyNumberFive
       Score  : 51 points
       Date   : 2021-09-06 19:37 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | CTOSian wrote:
       | I highly recommend the forum : http://macos9lives.com/ there are
       | custom ISOs that you can install and -directly-boot MacOS 9 on
       | unsupported models.
        
       | codezero wrote:
       | I still own mine and it still boots and works well. I did have to
       | replace the battery, but surprisingly it's still available from
       | third parties.
       | 
       | It blows my mind a little that I can plug it right into my
       | network and access my modern synology NAS without any special
       | configuration on either side.
       | 
       | It was the first device I owned that had WiFi but I never used it
       | back then and sold the airport pcmcia card. The screen resolution
       | was decent for the time, and it was as expandable as PC laptops.
        
       | pavlov wrote:
       | The toilet seat iBook is a cute retro object, but it wasn't very
       | popular at the time. It was bulky even for a 1999 laptop.
       | 
       | When the "iceBook" replacement finally shipped in 2001, the new
       | rectangular, lighter and thinner design was universally praised
       | as much better:
       | 
       | https://lowendmac.com/2001/12-500-mhz-ibook-g3-dual-usb-mid-...
       | 
       | I remember this 2001 iBook was the first Mac for a lot of people
       | who wouldn't have considered buying an Apple product previously.
       | The Titanium PowerBook G4 with Mac OS X had started creating some
       | interest in the new Apple, but it was way too expensive. The
       | $1,299 iBook was a much more reasonable entry into the world of
       | Unix Mac.
        
       | LeoPanthera wrote:
       | Unless my memory fails me, this was the first laptop with built-
       | in wi-fi. (Which, at the time, Apple called "Airport
       | Networking".)
       | 
       | They were incredibly robust, the claim was that they were made
       | out of the same plastic as crash helmets. I don't know how true
       | that actually was, but they did seem to be able to withstand
       | knocks pretty well.
       | 
       | A great laptop for people who actually travelled around with them
       | rather than using them as desktop replacements.
        
       | seltzered_ wrote:
       | "the keyboard just flips up after pushing on two tabs."
       | 
       | This allowed for third party keyboards to be installed -
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20060216223326/http://www.finger...
       | 
       | I get that they removed this feature to facilitate a unibody
       | design later (weight/thinness), but I sorta wish they brought it
       | back so one could possibly 'detach' the keyboard for desk /
       | laptop stand use.
        
         | AdamJacobMuller wrote:
         | I had a later Macbook which had that same feature.
         | 
         | Beyond the ability to swap in an alternate keyboard the ability
         | to pull out the keyboard and clean it well was amazing. The
         | amount of junk which came out of that keyboard when you removed
         | it and tapped it on the table was equal parts fascinating and
         | disgusting.
         | 
         | Overall I don't lament the old laptops too much. While they
         | made it easier to clean, the newer laptops seem to catch far
         | less stuff.
         | 
         | Plus, the power cable on that generation of computer was...
         | Awful. This was pre-magsafe and the center pin of the cable,
         | which looked like a headphone connector, would break off INSIDE
         | the computer. It was a huge hassle resulting in multiple
         | returns until someone from the apple store figured out a trick
         | with a toothpick and some super glue.
        
       | flemhans wrote:
       | It had a crazy battery time. 10+ hours.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Everymac lists its battery life claim at 6 hours. I don't
         | remember it being that great, despite the fact that these old
         | books weighed as much as three modern laptops.
        
           | don-code wrote:
           | I got to liquidate a broken stack of these back in the late
           | 2000s. For some reason I couldn't get one of them to power
           | off, so I pulled the power cable and waited. Then I went to
           | class.
           | 
           | Four hours later, I came back home, and the thing was still
           | running.
           | 
           | You could argue that it was just sitting at the folder-
           | question-mark icon and doing nothing useful, but I'm assuming
           | that it also meant no power saving features were enabled by
           | the kernel (at least, that's how it works in the PC world - I
           | was quickly disparaged of the notion that running DOS instead
           | of Windows 98 just for my text editor would give me better
           | battery life).
        
         | 1MachineElf wrote:
         | I'm amazed. I recall the mid-2012 Macbook[0] also had 10 hours
         | of battery life, but I didn't know the same feat had been
         | achieved by earlier Apple laptops.
         | 
         | [0] https://support.apple.com/kb/sp584?locale=en_US
        
       | forgotmypw17 wrote:
       | I have one of these in my testing stable, including Mac IE. It's
       | quite usable on many websites which are simply built.
        
       | 1MachineElf wrote:
       | I didn't get much experience with these aside from playing
       | Bugdom[0] on them, which was a lot of fun.
       | 
       | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugdom
        
       | mattl wrote:
       | I have one of these (Key Lime). I'm using it to watch the videos
       | for my WebObjects training course while I complete the classes on
       | my Aluminum PowerBook G4.
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/mattl/status/1432507439929303042?s=20
       | 
       | Working optical drives in these older machines is an issue.
        
       | BuildTheRobots wrote:
       | Possibly off topic, but does anyone remember a very similar
       | looking laptop but with a black and white lcd screen which was
       | potentially touch screen too? I've got half a memory of them from
       | around Y2K but I'm now I'm thinking that I'm mashing together a
       | clamshell G3 with a Palm Pilot in my head and it might not of
       | existed.
       | 
       | I do miss the colourful, cutesy but extremely capable Mac's of
       | the G3/G4 era. I'm sure it's rose tinted glasses on my part, but
       | computing seemed much more fun and positive back then :/
        
         | dunnevens wrote:
         | Definitely the eMate. The clamshell Newton. I very much wanted
         | one back in the day but could never really justify it. Settled
         | for a Palm + folding keyboard combo.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMate_300
        
         | mattl wrote:
         | Yeah the Apple eMate?
        
         | robertoandred wrote:
         | > I do miss the colourful, cutesy but extremely capable Mac's
         | of the G3/G4 era.
         | 
         | The new M1 iMacs bring that back a bit. Wouldn't be surprised
         | to see it spread to the MacBook Air.
        
       | bluedino wrote:
       | I thought of these things the same way as the original iMac.
       | Cutesy, but underpowered and nothing to get real work done on,
       | especially with the low screen resolutions.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Indeed, the contemporaneous PowerBook G3 "Pismo" was the better
         | machine all around. It was faster, more expandable, more
         | upgradeable with the CPU on a daughter card, and even with the
         | larger 1024x768 display it weighed 1 pound less than the iBook.
         | Of course, it also cost $900 more.
        
       | dylan604 wrote:
       | This was from a time period of an upside down logo. That one
       | always made me wonder who at Apple allowed that, or why nobody
       | noticed that when the lid was open the logo is upside down.
       | Ultimately, it came down to the imagery of when someone was
       | carrying by the handle I guess.
        
         | rob74 wrote:
         | Which neatly fits the toilet seat analogy - you generally can't
         | see the back of a toilet seat lid when it's open, so images
         | printed on toilet seat lids have the same orientation as the
         | Apple logo on the iBook G3 lid.
        
         | adzm wrote:
         | That way the logo was the correct orientation when you look at
         | the laptop to open it up!
        
       | sircastor wrote:
       | The thing that I remember about this computer is Steve Jobs
       | demoing the WiFi by passing a hula-hoop around it. He was a great
       | showman.
        
         | Lammy wrote:
         | "Boom." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iTNWZF2m3o&t=904s
        
       | bri3d wrote:
       | A coworker gave me one of these awhile ago, and I spent some time
       | setting up OS X 10.4 and TenFourFox on it as well as OS9 and
       | Classilla. It runs surprisingly well for the timeframe and specs
       | - TenFourFox in particular was a ridiculously impressive porting
       | effort to keep around.
       | 
       | These had pretty fun power adapters too - they were round and the
       | laptop-side cord looped around the adapter itself. I miss the
       | days of Apple adapters having built-in storage for the laptop-
       | side cord - they seem to have dropped this functionality with the
       | switch to USB-C.
       | 
       | The keyboards on every generation of Apple computer with under-
       | keyboard memory were atrocious though - like truly amongst the
       | worst keyboards of all time.
        
         | zitterbewegung wrote:
         | Huh I was using Camino during the PPC 10.4 days.
        
         | titzer wrote:
         | Both generations of magsafe adapters were by far superior to
         | USB-C. I feel like both ends are pretty fragile now.
        
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           | codesnik wrote:
           | but now you can switch them. twice the longevity! just
           | kidding, I recently wrapped both ends in shrinking tubes,
           | seem to stop fraying (for now)
        
         | nextos wrote:
         | I loved the keyboards from the first Intel MacBooks. In my
         | opinion, even better that classic ThinkPads.
         | 
         | Great feedback, spring-like feel and good travel.
        
       | johnzim wrote:
       | I loved lugging this computer to school. Definitely made good use
       | of the rubberized edges with a few "drop tests".
       | 
       | The only bad part of the design was in the power chord, which
       | like many of those era's cables, suffered from fraying at the
       | point of connection.
       | 
       | It was particularly great to be able to save school work to an
       | FTP server (or run one yourself from the iBook) and then print
       | from the network computers in the lab. No floppy, no problem
        
       | prvc wrote:
       | >These machines were... magical. Heck. Still are.
       | 
       | He never bothered to explain why he thinks so. Apple fans are a
       | little too fond of describing their favored products using this
       | word. Counterpoint: like most other technology, they actually
       | work (or fail to work) according to laws which are known, and do
       | so in comprehensible (in principle) ways. Enough with the
       | "magical", already.
        
         | dm319 wrote:
         | I have similar feelings for some things. My old Amiga. My early
         | experience with Linux. Maybe even my time on OS9 and selecting
         | the background wallpaper seen in the article.
         | 
         | It must be a combination of the delight when I used them, a
         | quirkiness which means I don't experience it anymore, and
         | nostalgia. But I think I know what Lunduke means when he says
         | magical, so I'm ok with that.
        
         | ffhhj wrote:
         | > He never bothered to explain why he thinks so. Apple fans are
         | a little too fond of describing their favored products using
         | this word.
         | 
         | Learned programming in an Apple IIc, and I still remember how
         | much I liked the Apple's and Macintosh computers. Anyway my
         | second computer was an IBM PC, because I wanted to keep up to
         | date with tech. Never liked the colorful clamshell, the lamp,
         | or the fish bowl. But looking at the pixaleted rainbow apple
         | logo in the UI brings the magic back.
         | 
         | How fast we moved from a world of computers are our friends, to
         | computers want to spy and take money from us.
        
         | sneak wrote:
         | https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/je_ne_sais_quoi
         | 
         | It's not simply a placeholder, but refers to a very specific
         | Apple-ness which most are insufficiently articulate to describe
         | in detail.
         | 
         | You know it when you see it, even in non-Apple products (like
         | DJI, for example).
        
           | adwww wrote:
           | Telsa, Fuji cameras, Italian bikes...
        
           | prvc wrote:
           | In that case, let them say "je ne sais quoi", which has a
           | different meaning than "magical". Don't discount the effect
           | of priming (how many times has Apple used "magic" in their
           | product names or ad copy?). If they're trying to make a
           | reference to the hoary old nerd quip, "Any sufficiently
           | advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic", then
           | I'd counter that it doesn't reach that threshold for me.
        
         | inspector-g wrote:
         | I promise I'm not trying to be terse, but... I think the entire
         | article was his explanation for why he felt them to be magical?
        
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