[HN Gopher] New horizons for SPJ
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New horizons for SPJ
Author : msszczep2
Score : 122 points
Date : 2021-09-09 19:36 UTC (3 hours ago)
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| sys_64738 wrote:
| These chaps always have doors open elsewhere through contacts.
| I'd expect he'll show up at another major company or university
| within six months.
| ranguski wrote:
| Weirdly, there are many who leaving MSFT in general. Looks like
| they are doing something wrong.
| phillipcarter wrote:
| (I left MS recently)
|
| Eh, I don't think it's any different than the general trend of
| people moving around. 23 years at a company would indicate that
| it's been a pretty solid place to work.
| garmaine wrote:
| At the same time, leaving after 23 years for a reason other
| than retirement suggests something changed.
|
| I have no insight into the company as you do, but that is the
| first impression I'd get from the circumstances. People don't
| stay at a company for 23 years only to jump ship for the same
| reasons early-career people jump around.
| dagw wrote:
| Or you realize that you've spent basically your entire
| professional career at one place and this is your last
| chance to try something different.
| gpt5 wrote:
| The entire industry is experiencing an unusually high Turnover.
| xyzzy_plugh wrote:
| Bureaucracy.
| dagw wrote:
| He's been at Microsoft for 23 years and it's basically the only
| company he's ever worked at. He's also over 60. I can't blame
| him for wanting to try something else with the tail end of his
| career.
| dfgjnirf wrote:
| SPJ had a great deal of latitude at MSR Cambridge, he could
| probably work on almost whatever he wanted. The problem is MSFT
| is rife with bureaucracy and it is a constant fight to get
| anything done. MSFT in general and MSR Cambridge specifically
| has lost a lot of their best people over the last 10 years.
| AFAIK it is expected to get worse under Christopher Bishop.
| With the recent win in Excel Lambda it is as probably a good
| time as any to get out.
| Olumde wrote:
| This is precisely why SPJ leaving at this time is all the
| more surprising.
| andybak wrote:
| I know we're not supposed to question these things but the edit
| to this title made it worse.
| maxpert wrote:
| The fact that there is more discussion here vs the Haskell forum
| is weird. I've not used Haskell myself but aspire to use it
| someday. I wish him best of luck!
| wk_end wrote:
| I wonder if this is because Microsoft Research is no longer
| interested in funding his research, or if for whatever reason SPJ
| is just seeking greener pastures.
|
| Either way, it's a blow to MSR - SPJ is such a luminary in the
| world of Haskell/PLT. Best wishes for whatever he winds up doing
| next; no doubt it'll be great.
| ampdepolymerase wrote:
| Not necessarily, young blood is always good. Having a single
| academic dominate the discussion is never good.
| sjcoles wrote:
| Two Haskellers enter a bar. Two hours later both leave more
| confused than when they entered.
|
| This is what got me with Haskell. Any question is derailed
| into theory to the point where getting anything done is
| difficult.
| cole-k wrote:
| I would be careful making such generalizations lest you
| give this vocal minority of haskellers more reason to
| believe that non-haskellers are luddites (edit: can you use
| the word "luddite" to refer to people who don't like
| theory? Probably not but pretend that's what it means).
| sjcoles wrote:
| I've used Haskell for a few personal projects (GHC
| 6.8-7.0 timeframe). It is great but I stand by my
| statement that the community's obsession with complexity
| (even if it's simpler from a category or maths sense) is
| the issue. Haskell's community is almost *obsessed* with
| increasing cognitive load IMO.
|
| I want to make things not argue about the best, or most
| technically correct, way to make them.
| elihu wrote:
| "If your confusion leads you in the right direction, the
| results can be uncommonly rewarding" --Haruki Murakami,
| Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World (as
| translated to English)
| butterisgood wrote:
| I've shipped stuff written in Haskell almost 2 times... but
| actually one time.
|
| It's not that bad. Honestly the only reason we shipped it
| was because the prototype I did in it worked too well.
|
| I had a backup almost ready in time written in C++ in case
| it got too tricky for others to maintain, and it was a
| simple component in a larger software stack.
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