[HN Gopher] Ancient Greek 'pop culture' discovery rewrites histo... ___________________________________________________________________ Ancient Greek 'pop culture' discovery rewrites history of poetry and song Author : diodorus Score : 53 points Date : 2021-09-14 00:16 UTC (1 days ago) (HTM) web link (www.joh.cam.ac.uk) (TXT) w3m dump (www.joh.cam.ac.uk) | leoc wrote: | Fun fact: Irish [Gaelic] poetry only switched from syllabic to | stressed metre about the eighteenth century. One product of the | transition was poems in the form of _tri rainn agus amhran_ , | having three stanzas of syllabic metre then a final stanza of | stressed metre, for example "Tithe Chorr an Chait": | http://www.clanntuirc.co.uk/TRAA/TRAA40.html . | BoumTAC wrote: | Do we know what ancient music sound like ? | yyyk wrote: | Sumerian music had a notation, a bit of which was recovered. | Interpretation is however difficult and not yet agreed upon. | | https://openculture.com/2014/07/the-oldest-song-in-the-world... | batrachos wrote: | We have the notation for a small amount of Hellenistic and | Roman era music, and I think a tiny little bit of Euripides. | We'll never know what Sappho sounded like, though. | irrational wrote: | There is an audiobook called How to Listen to and Understand | Great Music. The author starts way way back with the oldest | music we have and then little by little moves forward to more | modern times showing how music grew little by little over the | millennia. The audiobooks includes audio excerpts of the music. | I found it fascinating up until the classical music time when | it started bogging down and going a lot slower. | ARandomerDude wrote: | Yes, actually. Here's one example: | | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ | sherr wrote: | Will Astley ever get old? | sherr wrote: | I believe it is still quite a hard thing to be truly certain of | but there are some indications around. Harmonia Mundi produced | an album a few years ago that included some ancient Greek music | [1]. | | [1] La Musique De L'Antiquite https://www.discogs.com/Various- | La-Musique-De-LAntiquit%C3%A... | cblconfederate wrote: | A little older than sibling comment | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikilos_epitaph | MatteoFrigo wrote: | > Until now, 'stressed poetry' of this kind has been unknown | before the 5th century, when it began to be used in Byzantine | Christian hymns. | | FWIW, some scholars argue that the Roman Saturnian verse (3rd | century BC or earlier) is stressed poetry. See | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnian_(poetry) for examples. | batrachos wrote: | Different language though. Greek poetry was so conservative it | can be hard to tell what is a living form and what is a clever | pastiche, especially as the Hellenistic era goes on. | mseepgood wrote: | Extremely dumb lyrics. What's next? "Ooh baby ... I care for you | ... I'll always be there for you ... I know that you want me to" | grillvogel wrote: | the original LIVE LAUGH LOVE sign | laylomo2 wrote: | Next headline: twerking found in 35,000 year old cave art | thriftwy wrote: | A lot of songs from the 2nd half of XX century till now have | dumber lyrics. | | And their authors should have known better, whereas Greeks had | to invent pop culture from scratch. | kgeist wrote: | "Rewriting history" based on a single poem? Could as well be a | unique style of a particular poet/whoever made it? | irrational wrote: | My reading was that it wasn't a single poem (by which I think | you mean, a single instance of the poem). Apparently this poem | was found all over the place, both with and without the final 2 | lines, and that basically factories were churning out kitsch | with the poem on it for sale. | grillvogel wrote: | its always seemed strange to me that we just assume something | didn't exist before a certain time just because that was the | earliest artifact we've found so far. | | so much of ancient history which is assumed to be truth is really | just based on assumptions and suppositions | mjw1007 wrote: | In my experience historians don't assume that, but when | journalists write up a discovery that pushes the earliest-known | date back they like to write it up as if they had. | colechristensen wrote: | Especially Greek and Roman history. Some of what is "known" is | based on as little as a word or two carved into some stone | monument... other things are based on thousands upon thousands | of written works that survived antiquity (in some cases we know | more about Rome 2000 years ago than we do anywhere else until | the renaissance) | | There is this transition between scant evidence and near modern | levels of familiarity in a rather short time. | pradn wrote: | And if you compare histories, it gets even more absurd. We | almost know what Cicero did hour-to-hour on some important | days. We don't even know which century Kalidasa, the most | important Sanskrit poet, was active in. | sushisource wrote: | Sounds like "haters gonna hate" is as old as it gets. | roywiggins wrote: | they say what they like / let them say it / I don't care / Burma | Shave ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-09-15 23:00 UTC)