[HN Gopher] Ginkgo Bioworks (YC S14) is going public today
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       Ginkgo Bioworks (YC S14) is going public today
        
       Author : todsacerdoti
       Score  : 108 points
       Date   : 2021-09-17 16:15 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (blog.ycombinator.com)
        
       | tito wrote:
       | If anyone will enable the world to engineer biology, it's Gingko.
       | 
       | Their team has built a platform for biological engineering since
       | day 1.
       | 
       | This is the summary:
       | 
       | * platform for engineering biology (unfair advantage is they've
       | taken this "not a product company" approach since 2009)
       | 
       | * investing up the ecosystem by taking upside in products they
       | engineer for larger companies (not sure if they have an unfair
       | advantage here besides creative financing and momentum, IPO helps
       | with that)
       | 
       | * investing downstream into startups by providing their platform
       | in exchange for equity (YCbio partnership seems like an unfair
       | advantage here)
       | 
       | * mindshare of new minds (iGEM itself is a breeding ground for
       | future synbio employees and leaders who dream of joining Ginkgo,
       | Ginkgo founders co-created iGEM)
       | 
       | Pretty perfect flywheel right there, even if it risks being a
       | spaghetti monster from a corporate structure and cashflow
       | standpoint.
       | 
       | So cool to see this finally coming to light as an IPO. While I
       | don't understand the SPAC benefits, Ginkgo's structure to be able
       | to invest resources into synbio startups in an equity exchange
       | sets them up really well for future cashflow even if the present
       | is not.
       | 
       | (Disclosure Ginkgo bought lab equipment from me in the early
       | days, and I just bought their stock today)
       | https://www.ginkgobioworks.com/2009/09/01/pearl-biotech-open...
        
         | neural_thing wrote:
         | I sold my Ginkgo today. I like the company but... Most of their
         | revenue is stock in affiliated companies. I don't think they
         | have a real business today, and the valuation is insane.
         | 
         | Amyris actually has a synthetic biology business. It's less
         | flashy but it's real.
        
           | Kiro wrote:
           | How come you had Ginkgo stocks?
        
             | neural_thing wrote:
             | I bought shares in the SPAC a few weeks ago, expected a
             | jump on the IPO news, it worked out.
        
               | subrat_rout wrote:
               | How do you buy shares in the SPAC? Is there a minimum
               | amount? Which platform can I use to buy shares in the
               | SPAC?
        
               | neural_thing wrote:
               | SPACs are publicly traded. The announcement that Soaring
               | Eagle was taking Ginkgo public was made in May.
               | https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ginkgo-bioworks-
               | to-...
               | 
               | No special access is needed to trade SPACs, just need to
               | follow the news. That being said, I think that most SPACs
               | are pretty bad deals.
        
               | [deleted]
        
         | fouc wrote:
         | synbio.. wow, talk about flashbacks to genetic hacking cyber
         | punk scifi
        
       | murgindrag wrote:
       | Serious question: How does YC work with companies like this?
       | 
       | It seems like a YC standard-form offer doesn't make any sense to
       | a company like Ginko at the stage it entered YC.
        
       | ArtWomb wrote:
       | Congrats! Great to see this from inception in 2014 to news
       | recently that they work with Moderna to scale synthetic DNA
       | vaccine production to global demand. I like Part Deux of their
       | revenue stream: royalties. Taking equity stakes in spin off bio-
       | engineered consumer products. And the best part for a biotech
       | startup, faster regulatory approval than pharma ;)
        
       | petra wrote:
       | An interesting story about this from MIT technology review
       | :https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.technologyreview.com/2021/0...
        
       | g10r wrote:
       | Here's one of their more recent decks if anyone is interested:
       | https://www.ginkgobioworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/20...
        
         | djhn wrote:
         | Is there any centralised place for finding interesting decks?
         | 
         | You'd think there would be a prolific Discord or telegram
         | channel publishing interesting public or quasi-public
         | documents?
        
           | g10r wrote:
           | Probably not...I just came across it as part of my diligence
           | before investing. Originally found on Twitter.
        
       | tlrobinson wrote:
       | Congrats! The 7th YC company to IPO:
       | https://www.ycombinator.com/topcompanies/
        
         | adrr wrote:
         | News says it was a SPAC and not an IPO.
        
         | dannykwells wrote:
         | Wow - YC has been around for 15 years and only 7 IPOs. That is
         | an interesting track record.
        
           | jy1 wrote:
           | Also consider that YC at the start had few companies per
           | batch. Also a tonne of large acquisitions.
        
           | marc__1 wrote:
           | That is very unfair.
           | 
           | VC is a long-term business, with the _average_ time from
           | founding to IPO ranging from 8-10 years depending on the
           | year. If you look closer at this list, you 'll see companies
           | about to IPO (Amplitude, Relativity Space, Embark Trucks) and
           | several multi-billion dollar exits (e.g Segment <> Twilio,
           | Twitch <> Amazon).
           | 
           | Lastly, the business is all about power law, so these small
           | exits outperform the remaining portfolio by orders of
           | magnitude. I bet they are beyond excited with their returns.
        
       | kilroy123 wrote:
       | I'm currently looking seriously at creating a synthetic biology
       | software startup. Like a poor mans ginkgo.
       | 
       | These guys are MASSIVE in the space. Think Google back in the
       | day.
       | 
       | I predict this will be a hot stock.
       | 
       | Edit: if you're also interested in starting synthetic biology
       | startup please get in touch.
        
         | cybernautique wrote:
         | I'm interested, but in the it's-something-I-aspire-to-some-day-
         | when-I'm-not-so-incompetent sense. However! I'd love to engage
         | with you to hear about what's up! Is your inbox open to general
         | curiosity, or would you rather keep emails limited to serious
         | takers currently?
        
           | kilroy123 wrote:
           | Happy to chat with anyone. :)
        
         | cinntaile wrote:
         | At this point they're massively overvalued if you ask me, that
         | seems to be the case for every synthetic biology company but
         | this one takes the cake.
        
           | kilroy123 wrote:
           | I totally agree, but it seems like everything with a good
           | story is overvalued these days.
        
         | koeng wrote:
         | I'm a major contributor to a synbio software package
         | https://github.com/TimothyStiles/poly and I also do quite a lot
         | of robotics in the space (have a full DNA foundry running in my
         | house, that took a lot of software).
         | 
         | Already starting something in the space, but I'd be happy to
         | talk!
        
       | agumonkey wrote:
       | Ha Tom knight is back
        
       | jc_811 wrote:
       | I noticed they went public via SPAC, which, as an investor,
       | screams red flag and scares me.
       | 
       | Can anyone shed light on why they would go this route? Is it
       | accurate to say best case is because they wanted less hassle /
       | quicker to market and worst case is that their financials/books
       | are a disaster and they didn't want anyone looking too closely
       | before the founders raised money and cashed out?
       | 
       | Genuinely curious and would appreciate any insightful replies
        
         | jy1 wrote:
         | Regular bankers dont want to IPO hard tech companies. SPACs are
         | great for hard tech with future revenues.
        
           | Kiro wrote:
           | Isn't a SPAC just an empty shell? Why would they want to IPO
           | that?
        
             | jy1 wrote:
             | The SPAC sponsors burden the risk, not the bankers.
        
           | jc_811 wrote:
           | What exactly is a "hard tech" company? And is this a recent
           | change? Tech companies have been going public without issues
           | for years until the last ~24 months when SPACs exploded (and
           | mostly churn out negative returns after the initial pop [1])
           | 
           | Isn't a standard IPO also great for a tech company with
           | future revenues as long as you believe in your business and
           | future prospect?
           | 
           | Really trying to wrap my head around why a company would do
           | this, and also why this isn't a huge red flag as well
           | 
           | [1] https://news.bloomberglaw.com/bloomberg-law-
           | analysis/analysi...
        
             | jy1 wrote:
             | It's not "hard tech" per se. Rather it's companies that are
             | (essentially) pre-revenue and/or pre-product.
             | 
             | E.g. Ginko did $100m in rev in 2021 and is at a 20B market
             | cap.
             | 
             | Why would a company do this? Simple: Money. Spac sponsors
             | "guarantee" a ~20B market cap. Investment bankers in a
             | regular IPO might offer $4-5B (still 50x sales).
             | 
             | So what's the difference? Spac sponsors are willing to take
             | "venture" style risk, and traditional IPO underwriters are
             | not.
        
               | sjg007 wrote:
               | Umm. Spac management can "sell out" and gets coupons to
               | buy stock so.. Does the SEC require the target company or
               | the acquisition company file something akin to an S1
               | filing for the target company or ?
        
               | bpodgursky wrote:
               | The market cap is $2.5B, not $20B.
               | 
               | https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/ginkgo-begins-trading-on-
               | the...
        
               | jy1 wrote:
               | That link is wrong. It's closer to $20b. https://www.bloo
               | mberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-11/ginkgo-sa...
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | jy1 wrote:
               | Another way to think about this is: Traditional IPO
               | underwrites are fairly risk adverse. They will value
               | "high risk" companies in certain ways. E.g. How would you
               | value a self driving company with 0 revenue? For bankers?
               | pretty conservatively.
               | 
               | However the "market" has people that can and will value
               | these companies more than IPO underwriters. Spac sponsors
               | are essentially glorified "venture" style investments,
               | that also happen to take the company public (and take a
               | fairly large cut in return).
               | 
               | An alternative might be to have a "direct listing"
               | without underwriters, however companies are unable to
               | raise funds in a direct listing.
        
         | neural_thing wrote:
         | Most of the answers here are wrong. The real reason is that
         | when companies go public through a regular IPO, they can't show
         | projected financials, only actual results.
         | 
         | Ginkgo has poor results so far, but huge projections, which a
         | fair number of people believe. So, SPAC.
        
           | neural_thing wrote:
           | See this for example - https://www.ginkgobioworks.com/wp-
           | content/uploads/2021/05/Gi... They had 18% revenue growth in
           | 2020 but project 75%+ revenue growth through 2025. If you do
           | a regular IPO, you can't post numbers like this
        
         | kharak wrote:
         | I don't really understand SPACs. Is there a good article
         | explaining what they do and why you take them instead of going
         | public directly. And what happens to those SPAC shares now if
         | you bought some?
        
           | fsn4dN69ey wrote:
           | Plenty of material on SPACs online, but per your question,
           | the shares of the spac (SRNG) convert to the target (DNA). If
           | you had units (SRNGU), you also got 1 share (DNA) + 1/5
           | warrant (DNA.W) per unit.
        
             | g10r wrote:
             | Was nice to have the ability to buy into SRNG early. This
             | is more or less restricted to most through a traditional
             | IPO.
        
             | [deleted]
        
         | irq-1 wrote:
         | That does seem bad.
         | 
         | https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-and-bulletins/what-...
         | 
         | > If you invest in a SPAC at the IPO stage, you are relying on
         | the management team that formed the SPAC, often referred to as
         | the sponsor(s), as the SPAC looks to acquire or combine with an
         | operating company. That acquisition or combination is known as
         | the initial business combination. A SPAC may identify in its
         | IPO prospectus a specific industry or business that it will
         | target as it seeks to combine with an operating company, but it
         | is not obligated to pursue a target in the identified industry.
        
           | g10r wrote:
           | It's not bad per se, it's just how it works. Like pretty much
           | everything in life the outcome is dependent on the people
           | involved. You're not getting the potential for more upside
           | without the introduction of more risk.
           | 
           | Chamath is currently leading four biotech SPACS: DNAA, DNAB,
           | DNAC and DNAD, each with a stated target, neurology,
           | oncology, organs & immunology. Anyone looking to invest in
           | the SPAC today should consider the likelihood of this
           | happening, the potential targets, and the sponsors history.
           | 
           | Or you can wait for an announcement around a proposed merger,
           | even up to the day the official stock starts being traded.
           | 
           | Again, just depends on risk tolerance. It's nice to least
           | have the option to take part in these deals.
        
         | gingkoguy wrote:
         | They are a great company and could have gone traditional IPO.
         | However, with going SPAC they were able to bring 2 billion
         | dollars into a company with super high valuation. They make
         | less than 50mil and we're valued at 18 to 20 billion. So don't
         | buy in now, you will have plenty of chance to buy this great
         | company
         | 
         | Edit: Also just to add on by bringing in that 2 Billion dollars
         | they have essentially secured the future of the company for a
         | long time
        
         | bpodgursky wrote:
         | SPACs are a great way to not have to hemorrhage IPO money to
         | wall street bank cartels, and to lose billions w/ undervalued
         | IPOs. I'm not sure what you're on about.
        
           | dang wrote:
           | Please omit swipes from your posts to HN. Your comment would
           | be fine without that last bit.
           | 
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        
         | mmiyer wrote:
         | Their books don't look that good per this article:
         | https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/08/24/1032308/is-ginkg...
        
       | lr wrote:
       | Robinhood currently has the Genentech description attached to
       | Ginko Bioworks (DNA)!
        
       | skosuri wrote:
       | Congrats @jrkelly and team! Exciting day for synthetic biology,
       | and love the pictures of the NYSE:
       | https://twitter.com/Ginkgo/status/1438837881649381377?s=20
        
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