[HN Gopher] Why We Picture Bombs as Round Black Balls with a Bur...
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       Why We Picture Bombs as Round Black Balls with a Burning Wick
       (2016)
        
       Author : leohonexus
       Score  : 170 points
       Date   : 2021-09-19 12:24 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | hughrr wrote:
       | Interesting read.
       | 
       | I always think of Batman https://youtu.be/9pSD26bGy3I
        
       | ryantgtg wrote:
       | Sorta related to round black bombs: I recently watched The Spy
       | Who Loved Me, and realized that this is where I got the idea that
       | grenades aren't thrown like baseballs; instead, you gotta do a
       | kinda straight-armed huck over your shoulder. Not sure if that
       | grenade throw is grounded in reality, or just a thing that war
       | movies made up.
        
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       | tus89 wrote:
       | > However, the black, spherical bomb, wick slowly burning away to
       | a boom, has remained the understood image for an explosive.
       | 
       | According to who? Citation needed.
        
       | Taniwha wrote:
       | I want to know where the whole "do I cut the red wire or the blue
       | wire?" trope comes from ..... surely you just pull the detonator
       | out then cut its wires
        
         | js2 wrote:
         | Maybe the movie _Juggernaut_ (1974), but where its writers got
         | the idea, who knows.
         | 
         | https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/3957/what-was-the...
         | 
         | https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WireDilemma
        
       | tetha wrote:
       | Hm. I'd suggest a second advantage of the "ball with fuse" or
       | "stick with fuse" - and from there, the "C4 with unrealistic
       | timer LED" makes a lot of sense:
       | 
       | The fuse can act as an agent of suspense, just as Hitchcock
       | described it. It's a very simple indicator - a red dot or a
       | flame, and the length of the fuse is how long to go until an
       | earth-shattering kaboom. And it's obvious what's going to happen
       | to a character if they hold it, so it's easy to create suspense.
       | "Oh no, now the protagonist has the bomb. Oh yes, now the villain
       | has it. Oh no, now the villain tricked the protagonist and put
       | the bomb in their pants!"
       | 
       | That is much more interesting from a story telling point of view
       | than a realistic bomb - a bunch of C4 with a mobile phone
       | strapped to it and zero way to understand when it will ruin your
       | day. Unless you include the trigger for those in the story, but
       | then complexity grows.
        
         | theshadowknows wrote:
         | Extra points for "earth-shattering kaboom" :)
        
           | HungSu wrote:
           | Marvin is everyone's favourite martian
        
             | cronix wrote:
             | It was really the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator
             | that was Marvin's draw.
        
         | humanistbot wrote:
         | Haven't you seen a modern action movie where there is a block
         | of C4 with a big digital timer counting down to 00:00? Seems to
         | be used to the exact same dramatic effect.
        
           | dylan604 wrote:
           | Or a movie where the villian spends half the movie asking
           | "where are my detonators?" If they are using detonators,
           | rarely are there bright red oversized LEDs counters, or the
           | loosely attached, spiraly wound wires just begging someone to
           | ask "blue or red?"
        
           | dEnigma wrote:
           | That's exactly what they're saying. Look at the first
           | paragraph.
        
         | TheOtherHobbes wrote:
         | Act 3 in a traditional three act story structure is sometimes
         | called The Ticking Clock because it's traditional to include a
         | countdown.
         | 
         | Having a literal countdown timer - usually for a bomb - is a
         | standard trope in action thrillers. But any kind of deadline
         | will do.
        
           | laurent92 wrote:
           | Now, when I see a bomb in movies, I always measure the
           | countdown. The fact that they extend it kills quite a lot of
           | suspense.
        
           | cheschire wrote:
           | What are some good search queries to learn more about these
           | types of standard structures, especially as it pertains to
           | film and TV?
        
             | karlkeefer wrote:
             | https://tvtropes.org/ has a ton of this kind of thing - not
             | sure if that scratches your itch!
        
               | jholman wrote:
               | Holy shit, just linking to an meme weapon like that, and
               | not warning people? Not cool!
               | 
               | To the uninitiated, do not follow that link unless you
               | don't have anything else you need to do today. It is
               | famous for destroying days of productivity.
        
             | od1nos wrote:
             | You can browse for all of them on https://tvtropes.org/
        
       | bbarnett wrote:
       | Bugs bunny is why. Seriously. Most popular cartoon of its time,
       | every kid of the era (40s to 70s) watched it...
        
         | danans wrote:
         | Perhaps an insidious follow on to the cartoon bomb is the
         | unrealistic and desensitizing depiction of it's aftermath: In
         | the cartoons it's just a frowning or dumbfounded character
         | covered in soot instead of the reality of being dismembered.
        
           | macintux wrote:
           | When I read recently about the 15-year-old girl who
           | deliberately targeted and killed a runner on the road, who
           | laughed as he flew over her car, I wondered whether kids have
           | gotten used to seeing people survive collisions like that in
           | the movies.
        
             | danans wrote:
             | I suspect that person had deeper issues than
             | desensitization. I liken it more to our ability to tune out
             | the effects of drone strikes.
        
         | rsynnott wrote:
         | But by the time it was made, bombs hadn't looked like that for
         | a century; it doesn't in itself explain the persistence.
        
       | cabalamat wrote:
       | It's for the same reason that we "fire" guns or that a motion
       | picture is called a "film": technology changes but the symbols we
       | use to refer to it stay the same.
        
       | tosser0001 wrote:
       | I picture them that way mostly because of all the games of
       | Stratego I played as a kid. I was surprised not to see it
       | mentioned in the article!
        
       | 74d-fe6-2c6 wrote:
       | What I would like to know is why vibrating devices like razors or
       | dildos are regularly being considered as indicating a bomb. Why
       | would a bomb vibrate prior to exploding?
        
         | evan_ wrote:
         | Cell phone trigger?
        
           | lostlogin wrote:
           | Doesn't make much sense that way either, unless the bomb has
           | malfunctioned. If it's vibrating, surely the bombs going off?
        
         | kortilla wrote:
         | Well you have to turn it on before it explodes...
        
           | 74d-fe6-2c6 wrote:
           | Explain - how does igniting a bomb require vibration?
        
       | amin wrote:
       | This Atlas Obscura website seems interesting. As a long time
       | volunteer for Wikipedia, I try to avoid it as much as possible. A
       | hundred people editing one article, with zero editorial
       | oversight, leads to dogshit articles that are not enjoyable to
       | read.
        
       | jackfoxy wrote:
       | The article dismisses the _stringy_ fuse because spherical mortar
       | bombs had a hollow wooden fuse, but 18th and early 19th century
       | hand grenades were also spherical and had a _stringy_ fuse.
        
         | anigbrowl wrote:
         | There are still products using that form factor and same basic
         | mechanism (burning fuse, initiated by a spring-loaded striker).
         | 
         | https://www.defense-technology.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/0...
        
       | mrkramer wrote:
       | Cartoons are one hell of a drug especially for kids. I miss them
       | so much.
        
       | Matthias1 wrote:
       | Interesting parallel here to the floppy disk icon being used for
       | "save". It's quite possible that icon is ubiquitous enough that,
       | without a push to change it, it sticks around for 100 years as
       | well.
        
         | fencepost wrote:
         | Are you referring to the vending machine icon?
        
         | gumby wrote:
         | Which itself embodies an archaic remnant: the "floppy" disk
         | icon is most often the 3.5 inch disk (the one with a metal
         | shutter) which was in fact rigid.
         | 
         | Actual "floppy" disks (8" and later 5.25") were flexible and
         | needed a slightly more rigid sleeve to make them easy to
         | handle. The 3.5" ones needed the sleeve to protect the medium
         | (the actual disk).
        
           | bitwize wrote:
           | 3.5" floppy disks were made of iron oxide on a flexible
           | plastic disc encased inside a rigid shell. Only the shell was
           | rigid.
        
             | stan_rogers wrote:
             | Well, the shell and the metal drive ring at the centre of
             | the disc (something 8" and 51/4" floppies didn't have).
        
           | Maursault wrote:
           | I always thought the 3.5" were distinctly referred to as a
           | _diskette_ as opposed to the earlier larger _floppy disk_ ,
           | but, apparently, the term  "diskette" was introduced by IBM
           | in 1973, and then ultimately became a synonym for any floppy
           | disk, perhaps similarly to Kleenex, Laundromat, Xerox, Taser,
           | Google, et al.
        
             | bityard wrote:
             | As someone who was around for at least a portion of that
             | time period, nobody ever actually called them diskettes
             | except for the people who designed the packaging and
             | marketing material.
        
               | matzab wrote:
               | ...and Germans.
        
               | SuchAnonMuchWow wrote:
               | ... and Frenchs.
        
               | deepsun wrote:
               | ... and all East Europeans.
        
               | joseluis wrote:
               | ... in Spain too, were called disquetes.
        
               | beebeepka wrote:
               | Ha, but here in Bulgaria we call them diskettes. We used
               | to put our diskettes in our floppy drives. Not
               | understanding what the words mean sometimes creates funny
               | situations like this
        
           | jaclaz wrote:
           | Well, anecdata, late '80's office computers were changed and
           | the new ones only had 3.5" floppy drives while older ones all
           | had 5.25" ones.
           | 
           | Someone managed to insert a 5.25" floppy in the gap between
           | the covers for the (empty) 5.25" bays just over the 3.5"
           | drive slot.
           | 
           | It makes some strange impression to me to talk of floppies in
           | the past and to think that many people never actually saw one
           | (let alone use it).
           | 
           | A:las poor floppy, I knew you well. [0]
           | 
           | [0] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2905953.stm
        
           | Beldin wrote:
           | Fun Foone Fact: the 3.5 inch floppies apparently were 3.54
           | inch.
           | 
           | https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1439239118991413254
        
             | salawat wrote:
             | This is not uncommon. The term you are looking for is
             | nominal dimension.
        
               | michaelcampbell wrote:
               | Indeed; in the US anyway the ubiquitous "2x4" lumber is
               | in fact 1 1/2" x 3 1/2".
        
               | genewitch wrote:
               | If you're making 2x4 lumber you cut 2x4, someone else
               | planes it down to the final, finished size.
               | 
               | One can use rough cut lumber for building but it throws
               | off everything a half inch at a time, so your final wall
               | may not fit or be attached.
        
           | michaelcampbell wrote:
           | I've had many a 3 1/2" disk apart, and the "spinning bit" was
           | in fact not rigid.
           | 
           | Perhaps this was during my early college days and I could
           | only afford the cheap ones.
        
           | marvin wrote:
           | I'm told some folks in their early 20s were shown a 3.5 inch
           | floppy disk and asked what it was. They replied <<3D printed
           | model of the save icon>>.
        
             | Shared404 wrote:
             | Would depend on the folks probably.
             | 
             | I'm in my early 20s, and know what a 3.5" floppy looks
             | like, but I know others who don't.
             | 
             | Also, of those of us who do there's probably a 50% chance
             | that we'd say "3D printed save icon" as a joke!
        
           | sophacles wrote:
           | The disk itself was floppy, and basically the same as the
           | larger disks. The case around them was rigid.
        
           | United857 wrote:
           | The 3.5 inch disks took off around the same time as Windows
           | did (the Mac had always used them) so probably no coincidence
           | that's that the save icon represents.
        
           | moron4hire wrote:
           | The actual disk portion on the inside was the floppy part, so
           | it's still a "floppy disk". The rigid part on the outside was
           | called the cassette.
        
             | alisonkisk wrote:
             | and "cassette tapes" (for computer or
             | radio/stereo/receiver) are the same material, but the
             | magnetic media is in a roll of tape instead of a spinning
             | disk shape.
        
               | moron4hire wrote:
               | Man, I seriously miss cassettes and cartridges,
               | especially for video games. I recently bought a Nintendo
               | 2DS for my young kids--having missed out on it during its
               | original run myself, and observing that the children grow
               | rather extreme behavioural issues if we let them play on
               | iPads--and even those tiny little cartridges just have
               | something to them. It makes the games feel more real to
               | me, versus downloaded apps just taking up an icon on a
               | screen.
        
               | genewitch wrote:
               | I banned Disney/ABC at my house due to the same observed
               | behavioral issues. YouTube is a mixed bag, I observe what
               | the youngest is watching and he always listens when I
               | tell him to pick something else to watch.
               | 
               | There are some games that for past some radar like the
               | "Buddy" series - it seems innocuous but it's all about
               | dismemberment of the buddy character. It's "funny" in the
               | way "Happy Tree Friends" is funny. Less so to the plastic
               | developing psyche of a toddler.
        
         | oneeyedpigeon wrote:
         | > it sticks around for 100 years as well
         | 
         | Only if the concept of manual save sticks around that long.
        
           | im3w1l wrote:
           | Even in systems that continously save your progress there is
           | a close analogue to manual save: Named revisions. Bookmarks
           | of points in history that are better than the surrounding
           | ones - points where some milestone has been reached, and some
           | amount of proofreading done. Where there are no duplicated
           | paragraphs or major rough edges like that.
        
             | codetrotter wrote:
             | But the floppy icon would not be a good fit for depicting
             | named revisions
        
               | gumby wrote:
               | Sure, it's copying your revision to a disk, writing the
               | date on the label, and sticking it in a box.
        
               | jcims wrote:
               | The only difference between what is being described here
               | and what we have been working with until today is how far
               | undo/redo go.
               | 
               | For the most part the intent is to memorialize a snapshot
               | of the work, a task the floppy icon has been fulfilling
               | all along.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | If the current document is Untitled, New File, No Name,
               | etc and does not actually point to a file, then the
               | ubiquitous Floppy icon should act as Save As. Once the
               | file does exist, a simple Shift-click of the same floppy
               | icon should also act as Save As. Same thing as Cmd-S/Cmd-
               | Shfit-S. However, I'm unfamiliar with this modifier click
               | save as from any app.
        
           | _Microft wrote:
           | What's the alternative? Autosaves? Did it autosave or did it
           | not? Where did it save it to? Locally or to the cloud? Are
           | the servers available? Does it make clear when they are not?
           | Or worse, does it fail silently if they are not?
           | 
           | Call me old-fashioned but please give me a save button and a
           | file picker ;)
        
             | bitwize wrote:
             | Does it matter? The only thing that matters to the end user
             | is that the changes they made to their document persist.
             | And they should persist by default, not only when the user
             | issues a Save command.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | I don't know, I sort of enjoy being able to make changes,
               | see they didn't work/not necessary/etc, and then just
               | closing the document hitting "Don't save" vs hitting undo
               | until returning to last saved state (which was when
               | exactly???). Bonus points for apps that have an actual
               | Revert feature.
        
               | oneeyedpigeon wrote:
               | Maybe file management will map closer to revision control
               | one day. Autosave would be the equivalent of a regular
               | commit, closing the document would be a tagged commit of
               | some sort. Your "hitting undo until returning to last
               | saved state" would then be a single step, reverting to a
               | timed, possibly named point.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | For text based files, I think a versioning like system
               | built into the filesystem would be ideal. Each save is
               | just the diff. A nice UI to see/revert changes. Yet the
               | lack of commit type messages would make those changes
               | less friendly. I don't want to be burdened/slowed down
               | with commit messages everytime I hit Cmd-S.
               | 
               | However, this would not work for binary type files like
               | MOV, PSD, etc.
        
               | chongli wrote:
               | Storing diffs is not a great idea since then it requires
               | that you apply them all to get the latest version.
               | Notably, git does not store files as diffs [1] which is
               | one of the reasons it's so much faster than older diff-
               | based VCSes.
               | 
               | [1] https://stackoverflow.com/a/43364484
        
               | leohonexus wrote:
               | Ah, this reminds me of YesterCode, a tool that lets you
               | scrub through code changes like a timeline.
               | 
               | Relevant HN thread:
               | https://web.eecs.utk.edu/~azh/blog/yestercode.html
        
               | userbinator wrote:
               | I was forced to use Microsoft OneNote for a while and it
               | was probably designed by someone with that mentality, and
               | I absolutely HATE it. People manage to put unwanted
               | changes into important pages all the time (the horrible
               | Win10 default of not clearly indicating the focused
               | window is certainly related, but that's another rant...)
               | and the fact that it instantly syncs to the cloud for
               | everyone else to see, made for some major embarrassment
               | and irritation.
               | 
               | Changes should be saved with deliberation, not
               | "whenever".
        
             | jader201 wrote:
             | I'm both old and old fashioned, but I'll take auto-save any
             | day over manual save, especially something that required
             | manual save without support of auto-save.
             | 
             | I've lost enough work prior to auto-save being common that
             | I never want to deal with an app that doesn't somehow save
             | my work pretty frequently.
        
               | oefrha wrote:
               | > I've lost enough work prior to auto-save being common
               | 
               | And you didn't develop the habit of compulsive Ctrl-S
               | every five seconds? ;)
        
               | atoav wrote:
               | I like autosaves as well, but as a "I didn't save
               | manually but there is always an autosave"-option. Saving
               | is also a file managment choice.
        
               | dylan604 wrote:
               | It really depends on what the app is though, yeah? If I'm
               | in document processing or spreadsheet where you might be
               | working for long periods where a 5min auto-save kicks in
               | could be convenient. However, when I'm writing code that
               | then needs to make rapid changes like updating CSS/JS/etc
               | to be refreshed in browser, then I'm not waiting 5 mins
               | for an autosave. Cmd-S, Cmd-tab, Shift-Cmd-R, boom.
               | 
               | However, Cmd-S is so engrained into the muscle memory,
               | that it's almost instinctual to hit it after every press
               | of a semi-colon.
        
               | IgorPartola wrote:
               | If I type in _rm -rf /_ and pause for a moment trying to
               | remember if I'm trying to delete /var/log/apache2/ or
               | /usr/local/var/log/apache2/ in a dev environment that
               | auto-executes code when I save it I would strongly prefer
               | that it wait until I manually save.
        
               | atoav wrote:
               | Which is why I like Autosaves that save a copy. Blender
               | for example autosaves project files into it's own
               | location (and keeps that location clean). If you have a
               | crash you can still go for that autosave file and it
               | works in most cases - but it isn't saved in the folder
               | you are working in.
               | 
               | For certain programs this would be overkill of course,
               | but for others it would be quite cool.
        
               | IgorPartola wrote:
               | It's interesting. I use vim which has auto-recovery built
               | in. But I also compulsively save. vim is so much faster
               | than most conventional IDEs that it's just not worth it
               | for me to look for an alternative to that pattern.
        
               | Zababa wrote:
               | > However, when I'm writing code that then needs to make
               | rapid changes like updating CSS/JS/etc to be refreshed in
               | browser, then I'm not waiting 5 mins for an autosave.
               | Cmd-S, Cmd-tab, Shift-Cmd-R, boom.
               | 
               | VSCode has an autosave that's triggered when you change a
               | file.
        
               | glenneroo wrote:
               | I would guess that they swiped that idea (among many of
               | the core features of VSCode) from IntelliJ a good 10
               | years after they implemented it. Too bad they can't steal
               | more sane ideas from JetBrains' IDEs, I might actually
               | consider switching ;)
        
               | Zababa wrote:
               | I doubt IntelliJ invented the "save on change" feature.
               | 
               | > Too bad they can't steal more sane ideas from
               | JetBrains' IDEs, I might actually consider switching ;)
               | 
               | Not being an IDE is what I like about it, my experiences
               | with JetBrain's IDEs weren't good.
        
               | TillE wrote:
               | There are reasons for manual save to exist, but I think
               | it's unlikely to stick around as a distinct GUI element
               | which requires an icon.
               | 
               | Experienced users will use a keyboard shortcut, others
               | will rely on autosave or find the File > Save menu. Alas,
               | I suspect the floppy disk icon is doomed.
        
             | l33tman wrote:
             | Notably none of the Google Docs cloud apps have any save
             | button or option.
        
               | dragontamer wrote:
               | Saving drafts on XenForums is a floppy, even though there
               | is no local save involved.
               | 
               | I'm sure I've seen it in other web contexts.
        
               | esprehn wrote:
               | Interestingly at one point Google Docs did have a save
               | button, which IIRC didn't actually do anything because it
               | would automatically save. The button was there just to
               | make you feel more confident.
               | 
               | You can see it in the top right corner here:
               | https://sm.pcmag.com/t/pcmag_au/photo/g/google-
               | docs-2010-old...
        
               | userbinator wrote:
               | _The button was there just to make you feel more
               | confident._
               | 
               | ...and when the autosave inevitably fails, deception like
               | that only serves to anger your users more.
        
               | sharkweek wrote:
               | It took me a very long time to learn not to compulsively
               | hit ctrl-s while using Google docs
        
             | 2Gkashmiri wrote:
             | I have been doing Ctrl+s for most of my life. I type a lot
             | and this is like second breathing. I write a sentence,
             | save. Some pause, save. Looking out the window, save. Its
             | as common as pressing space or enter.
        
         | webwielder2 wrote:
         | The floppy disk icon never took off in the Apple ecosystem, so
         | every time I see it in Windows world it seems like a bizarre
         | anachronism. Which it is. Emblematic really of Apple's ethos of
         | plunging forward and Wintel's backwards compatibility at all
         | costs approach.
        
           | kitsunesoba wrote:
           | It's been a long time since I used classic Mac OS seriously,
           | but I don't think Mac apps really even used toolbars for
           | actions like save, undo, paste, etc. Usually toolbars were
           | for selecting tools (e.g. pencil, eraser, etc in paint) or
           | tuning settings (e.g. font and color), with actions stowed
           | away in menus and lacking iconographic representation.
           | 
           | Thinking about it further, this is true of OS X too. Even
           | though it made toolbars more ubiquitous, it was still unusual
           | for "standard" actions to be placed there.
           | 
           | I would think that a longtime Mac user probably associates
           | "save" with the key shortcut [?]-S more strongly than any
           | kind of icon.
        
           | blondin wrote:
           | you are making an interesting point that is shadowed by the
           | extra comment. the floppy disk image as "save" icon is rare
           | in most native mac apps.
           | 
           | GP's point is quite interesting because there is a generation
           | or two that hasn't seen a real floppy disk beside on those
           | icons. they probably have no clue what it is.
           | 
           | i wonder what other icon images are like that.
        
             | 00N8 wrote:
             | the rounded symbols for 'database' icons are based on some
             | ancient storage medium used in early mainframes - magnetic
             | drum memory I think
        
               | userbinator wrote:
               | I've always thought of those as more like barrels of data
               | (as opposed to oil).
        
           | alisonkisk wrote:
           | Not really. Apple taught the world the word "skeuomorphic",
           | making fake paper and leather and metal for their apps.
           | 
           | Also, Apple famously used the OP's bomb icon whenever Mac OS
           | plunged forward into a crash.
        
           | Macha wrote:
           | However, floppy disk icons also survive in Linux, android and
           | web apps, at least in those which save is an explicit GUI
           | action, so it's really only Apple thats the outlier here
        
         | smegcicle wrote:
         | there does seem to be some kind of push against it, as if it's
         | either triggering to anyone who hasn't seen one in real life,
         | or maybe the ui designer is afraid someone will think they're
         | old and out-of-touch?
         | 
         | the alternative seems to be pictures of folders and clouds with
         | arrows going in and out of them, when the extremely distinctive
         | floppy disk icon unambiguously means whatever form of 'save' is
         | most intuitive and useful
        
       | farmerstan wrote:
       | I think kids today think of bombs like cubes of tnt like
       | Minecraft.
        
         | Stevvo wrote:
         | I doubt it. Even if a kid loves playing Minecraft and doesn't
         | like watching cartoons, the round black ball symbol is much
         | more ubiquitous, they will often be exposed to it.
        
           | atoav wrote:
           | Bomb emoji
        
         | varjag wrote:
         | _And while a few images have rivaled its ubiquity (a bundle of
         | red dynamite tied to a ticking clock, a box labeled TNT) none
         | of those have been visually compelling enough to replace the
         | black sphere._
        
         | wongarsu wrote:
         | Or wrapped blocks of C4 like in most shooters. Or the tin-can
         | like shape of Russian TM-46 mines that have featured in several
         | viral images
        
           | bogwog wrote:
           | Or red barrels, like in every video game ever.
        
             | bserge wrote:
             | Haha, red = explosive, green = toxic, blue = inert/empty.
        
       | hkon wrote:
       | Too bad a lot of the links does not work anymore.
        
       | LaMarseillaise wrote:
       | I was quite sure that this depiction of a bomb was based on 18th
       | century grenades, which were spherical and had a string fuse. The
       | word 'grenade' even comes from pomegranate, due to the visual
       | similarity. It seems like this depiction may have originated a
       | little further back than the American Civil War.
       | 
       | - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenade
       | 
       | - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomegranate
        
         | NAG3LT wrote:
         | Wow, somehow never thought that the device is named after the
         | fruit. Their names can be even closer in other languages, f.e.
         | in Russian they are nearly the same word, just different
         | genders.
        
           | jwhitlark wrote:
           | Then they doubled down with pineapple grenades...
        
           | garaetjjte wrote:
           | In Polish it is literally the same word, "granat", which does
           | function as weapon, fruit, and color (oddly enough, dark
           | blue).
        
           | ficklepickle wrote:
           | Pomegranates are from Granada. In French, Granada is
           | "Grenade" and pomegranate is "pomme grenade", which directly
           | translates to Granada apple
        
             | jcelerier wrote:
             | as a french I absolutely never heard "pomme grenade" for
             | the fruit, just "grenade" directly
        
             | Telemakhos wrote:
             | No. "Pomegranate" comes from the Latin "pomum granatum,"
             | the 'fruit having many seeds.' Granum means grain or seed,
             | and granatus is a pseudo-participial form (like
             | "mentulatus") meaning 'endowed with seeds.' Granada, the
             | city, likely derives its name from Arabic.
        
         | teej wrote:
         | The pomegranate <> grenade connection all of a sudden made
         | "grenadine" make sene.
        
         | JoBrad wrote:
         | Gunpowder-infused fabric or paper was being used for fuses
         | around the 10th century, as well[0]. I always thought this
         | depiction came from fireworks, which had fuses both linking
         | multiple devices and also serving as a (relatively) safer point
         | for ignition around the 10th century, as well[1].
         | 
         | [0] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuse_(explosives)
         | 
         | [1] https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireworks
        
         | fuzzfactor wrote:
         | Back in the 1960's when road construction was underway and
         | diversion of lanes was necessary, at night the spherical black
         | kerosine lamps the size of bowling balls were still everywhere
         | the traffic cones were during the day.
         | 
         | Modern rechargeable electricial markers that could last all
         | night were not common at all.
         | 
         | Rows of bombs with a few inches of raw sooty flame coming from
         | a wick where the fuse would be.
         | 
         | Drive your Model T or Edsel carefully between the lines of
         | flickering fire.
         | 
         | Plus the Pink Panther cartoons had an associated subject line
         | occasionally featuring a mad French terrorist bomber often
         | carrying one of the round black bombs.
         | 
         | This was basically ridiculing the bombers that had been in the
         | news terrorizing them.
         | 
         | Both were enjoyed by American kids as much as domestic
         | cartoons, even though they were basically like silent movies,
         | intentionally featuring no actual dialog, intended for
         | international consumption without need for translation.
         | 
         | All the American villians had the same kind of bombs anyway.
        
       | beardyw wrote:
       | My first job was in an office which got quite regular bomb
       | threats. We would be cleared out and the police would do a sweep.
       | Some of the guys were inspired to make mock-up spherical black
       | bombs as desk ornaments. Next bomb scare the police were very
       | very unamused!
       | 
       | Also just remembering one day we were told to go home at 4:30.
       | After some digging we found that the bomb was due to go off at
       | 5:00. Showed a lot of faith in the bomb builders!
        
         | pliny wrote:
         | Why was your office getting so many bomb threats?
        
           | beardyw wrote:
           | Ha. A minor government department. Some folks got the idea we
           | were big brother. This was in the 70s. We had one computer
           | between 50 or so developers. It had less than 100k memory,
           | card input, and all tape to tape. Honestly they were deluded.
        
             | 9dev wrote:
             | Which is what someone working for big brother would say, of
             | course.
        
             | pell wrote:
             | I'd love to hear so much more about how it was to work in
             | this kind of environment back then. (Apart from those bomb
             | threats.)
        
               | beardyw wrote:
               | Off topic, but to summarise: it was (by today's
               | standards) so so very slow. One overnight compile per
               | developer per day. Programs were on cards which sometimes
               | got dropped or jammed. And much more time thinking than
               | doing.
        
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