[HN Gopher] Adguard Letter of Support to Quad9
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       Adguard Letter of Support to Quad9
        
       Author : NmAmDa
       Score  : 49 points
       Date   : 2021-09-20 20:05 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (adguard.com)
        
       | CivBase wrote:
       | > Hamburg Germany court (310 O 99/21) has recently sent a notice
       | to Quad9 (a standard recursive DNS resolver) demanding to stop
       | resolving certain domains for all residents in Germany on request
       | from Sony Music GmbH. According to Sony, those domains in
       | question are infringing on properties that they claim are covered
       | by their copyrights.
       | 
       | This would be like a German court ordering Yellowbook to stop
       | listing the phone number for a DVD store because they were known
       | to sell bootleg copies of Sony movies. What a joke.
        
         | oneplane wrote:
         | Same as ordering the post office to stop processing mail
         | because someone sent a copy of a book in the mail...
        
           | zamadatix wrote:
           | GP's comparison seems considerably more accurate. Even if
           | your position is that the only way the Post Office could
           | comply with filtering the mail for the address that's still
           | not the same as an order to stop processing mail. Not to
           | mention "someone sent a" makes it sounds like a single
           | instance which is certainly not what http://uu.canna.to/
           | regardless if you agree or disagree with pirating content.
        
       | anonymousisme wrote:
       | I do not understand why more people don't switch to a
       | decentralized DNS such as OpenNIC (https://www.opennic.org)
       | 
       | Governments have abused their control of DNS. A distributed
       | system (with trust and safeguards) is the better way.
        
         | gizdan wrote:
         | Because no one knows about it. But also, looking at their list
         | of servers, the majority is offline. Assuming this is because
         | any person can run one, it's probably the reason.
         | 
         | On top of the above, the likes of Google are enforcing their
         | DNS servers. For example, I run AdGuard Home with it's DHCP
         | functionality. I am unable to rely on the DHCP settings on my
         | Android phone because Google forces the first DNS server to be
         | 8.8.8.8 with (as far as I can tell) no way to disable this.
         | 
         | I think at least for the foreseeable future the solution is to
         | run Unbound and stop relying on DNS resolvers combined with a
         | firewall that redirects _all_ DNS records AdGuard Home /PiHole.
         | This is obviously not a solution to the general public.
        
         | zamadatix wrote:
         | If everyone used OpenNIC what would be different about this
         | case?
        
       | ignoramous wrote:
       | > _The spendings will only grow as more and more similar court
       | rulings are handed out (which without a doubt will come
       | eventually). It will become near impossible to uphold a DNS
       | service, and all small DNS resolvers will vanish._
       | 
       | I run one such _small_ public DNS (DoH-only) resolver (primarily
       | popular in countries where censorship is low to moderate), and
       | know several other folks who do. Just the other day we were
       | discussing the implications of this ruling, but coming from a
       | country with dismal digital /internet freedom track-record, this
       | made me sit back and contemplate for a bit (unblocking access to
       | censored web properties _may_ soon be a crime as the government
       | here bids to criminalise VPNs):
       | 
       | I believe, the inevitable over-regulation and insurmountable
       | legal threats are going to ruin it for the hobbyists who thrive
       | at the fringes. Internet may soon go the way of the telecom
       | industry. Controlled by a few, regulated to oblivion, with high
       | barriers to entry.
       | 
       | I hope I am wrong.
        
       | oofabz wrote:
       | Quad9 is based in Switzerland, so the German court should only
       | have jurisdiction over whatever servers are in Germany. It seems
       | like the worst case scenario is that Quad9 shuts down their
       | German servers, but still serves German requests from servers in
       | neighboring countries.
       | 
       | That said this is still terrible and I hope the German court
       | reconsiders their decision. The free flow of information is more
       | valuable than protecting copyrights, because the former benefits
       | many more people. Most of the copyright holders who feel
       | threatened by piracy are not even German! The court is protecting
       | big American businesses over individual Germans.
        
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