[HN Gopher] Armenia's Warrior Queen ___________________________________________________________________ Armenia's Warrior Queen Author : Thevet Score : 21 points Date : 2021-09-26 05:39 UTC (17 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.historytoday.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.historytoday.com) | 0xBABAD00C wrote: | A few clarifications for those who care: the name is pronounced | Parandzem (not P'aranjem) -- both in old and modern Armenian. | This queen is very well known in modern Armenia and lots of women | still carry her name. It is falling out of favor with the new | generations due to being tough to pronounce and | "internationalize", but she is certainly a celebrated person in | Armenian history. | <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?keywords=par...> | | The first paragraph of the article refers to the highly | controversial "Erato" all-women detachment, which was a blatant | PR stunt on the part of the current PM's wife (who also runs | massive "charities" that local oligarchs have to volunteer funds | to in order to stay in favor with the regime, among other fun | activities). It's a bit "apples and oranges" to compare a vacuous | PR move by the prime-minister's family with actual warrior-queens | of the past. | | Also, here's another interesting Armenian queen, who ruled in the | medieval Cilician Armenia on the Mediterranean coast: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella,_Queen_of_Armenia | abrowne wrote: | > _the name is pronounced Parandzem (not P 'aranjem)_ | | Even with the same pronunciation, the spelling depends on the | chosen romanization scheme: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Armenian | | (Based on the table in that article, I think "P'aranjem" is | using the ISO 9985 scheme.) | 0xBABAD00C wrote: | I mean, I've never seen an English speaker pronounce 'j' as | 'dz', but the Armenian letter dz is pronounced exactly like | 'dz' and never like 'j'. So, dare I say, ISO 9985 is wrong? | abrowne wrote: | The goal of a romanization isn't always to represent the | pronunciation in English. They may have other goals, like a | one-to-one mapping of letters between alphabets or | something. English doesn't pronounce 'q' like 'ch' or 'c' | like 'ts' but that's more or less what they represent in | pinyin. | | So I agree you are right about the pronunciation. I just | don't think the article claimed they were spelling it | phonetically for English. | [deleted] | telesilla wrote: | >Why are medieval women largely absent from current discussions | of Armenia's past? | | Female warriors and rulers are largely absent from history in | general! Or, misrepresented. | | The Queens of Infamy project is a great resource: | https://longreads.com/tag/queens-of-infamy | newsclues wrote: | The Queen of England is hardly unknown. | 1cvmask wrote: | Funnily enough Queen Sheba is missing from that list: | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba | JoeAltmaier wrote: | E.g. marginalizing women historically: Florence Nightingale was | an administrator and empirical scientist, in charge of various | nursing organizations for her entire career. How is she | remembered? "That nice nurse lady that cared for our troops", | often pictured out in a tent on the battlefield. No, she was not | an individual caretaker; she was a competent head of major | organizations and revolutionized the way nursing is done. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2021-09-26 23:00 UTC)