[HN Gopher] Armenia's Warrior Queen
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       Armenia's Warrior Queen
        
       Author : Thevet
       Score  : 21 points
       Date   : 2021-09-26 05:39 UTC (17 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.historytoday.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.historytoday.com)
        
       | 0xBABAD00C wrote:
       | A few clarifications for those who care: the name is pronounced
       | Parandzem (not P'aranjem) -- both in old and modern Armenian.
       | This queen is very well known in modern Armenia and lots of women
       | still carry her name. It is falling out of favor with the new
       | generations due to being tough to pronounce and
       | "internationalize", but she is certainly a celebrated person in
       | Armenian history.
       | <https://www.linkedin.com/search/results/people/?keywords=par...>
       | 
       | The first paragraph of the article refers to the highly
       | controversial "Erato" all-women detachment, which was a blatant
       | PR stunt on the part of the current PM's wife (who also runs
       | massive "charities" that local oligarchs have to volunteer funds
       | to in order to stay in favor with the regime, among other fun
       | activities). It's a bit "apples and oranges" to compare a vacuous
       | PR move by the prime-minister's family with actual warrior-queens
       | of the past.
       | 
       | Also, here's another interesting Armenian queen, who ruled in the
       | medieval Cilician Armenia on the Mediterranean coast:
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isabella,_Queen_of_Armenia
        
         | abrowne wrote:
         | > _the name is pronounced Parandzem (not P 'aranjem)_
         | 
         | Even with the same pronunciation, the spelling depends on the
         | chosen romanization scheme:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Armenian
         | 
         | (Based on the table in that article, I think "P'aranjem" is
         | using the ISO 9985 scheme.)
        
           | 0xBABAD00C wrote:
           | I mean, I've never seen an English speaker pronounce 'j' as
           | 'dz', but the Armenian letter dz is pronounced exactly like
           | 'dz' and never like 'j'. So, dare I say, ISO 9985 is wrong?
        
             | abrowne wrote:
             | The goal of a romanization isn't always to represent the
             | pronunciation in English. They may have other goals, like a
             | one-to-one mapping of letters between alphabets or
             | something. English doesn't pronounce 'q' like 'ch' or 'c'
             | like 'ts' but that's more or less what they represent in
             | pinyin.
             | 
             | So I agree you are right about the pronunciation. I just
             | don't think the article claimed they were spelling it
             | phonetically for English.
        
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       | telesilla wrote:
       | >Why are medieval women largely absent from current discussions
       | of Armenia's past?
       | 
       | Female warriors and rulers are largely absent from history in
       | general! Or, misrepresented.
       | 
       | The Queens of Infamy project is a great resource:
       | https://longreads.com/tag/queens-of-infamy
        
         | newsclues wrote:
         | The Queen of England is hardly unknown.
        
         | 1cvmask wrote:
         | Funnily enough Queen Sheba is missing from that list:
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Sheba
        
       | JoeAltmaier wrote:
       | E.g. marginalizing women historically: Florence Nightingale was
       | an administrator and empirical scientist, in charge of various
       | nursing organizations for her entire career. How is she
       | remembered? "That nice nurse lady that cared for our troops",
       | often pictured out in a tent on the battlefield. No, she was not
       | an individual caretaker; she was a competent head of major
       | organizations and revolutionized the way nursing is done.
        
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