[HN Gopher] On Solitude
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       On Solitude
        
       Author : imartin2k
       Score  : 120 points
       Date   : 2021-09-27 07:18 UTC (15 hours ago)
        
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       | qzw wrote:
       | Of all the writings on solitude that I've come across, almost all
       | are from the male perspective. Anybody know of some good
       | female/other writings on the subject? I have daughters, and I'd
       | like to be able to better relate to them on this.
        
         | milquetoastaf wrote:
         | Check out the writings of Clarice Lispector, especially The
         | Passion According to G.H
        
         | bitten wrote:
         | Carson McCullers?
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heart_Is_a_Lonely_Hunter to
         | start
        
         | david_b wrote:
         | I'm not sure to what degree her perspective is specifically
         | feminine, but Sara Maitland has written two books on solitude
         | and silence: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20518977-how-
         | to-be-alone https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4437202-a-book-
         | of-silenc...
        
         | LimitedInfo wrote:
         | I'm not sure that anything in this piece was gender influenced.
         | The author could have a female name and I wouldn't have been
         | surprised.
        
           | qzw wrote:
           | I think there are a lot of things that men take for granted
           | that are not equally available to women. To me, the thought
           | of going into the woods for a weekend with no connection to
           | the outside world sounds peaceful and rather wonderful. But
           | to my wife, it would sound downright alarming. I think it's
           | hard to focus on connecting with one's true self while also
           | worrying about one's physical safety. So I'd like to read
           | more female perspectives on actively seeking out solitude (as
           | opposed to just experiencing loneliness).
        
             | sologirlcamper wrote:
             | This seems like such a strange thing to say. Why does your
             | wife find having no connection to civilisation "downright
             | alarming"? If women are supposed to find outdoor solitude
             | frightening or something, nobody's told me! I'm hoping this
             | doesn't come across as angry, it just feels like a bizarre
             | thing to read.
        
             | 1auralynn wrote:
             | Somewhat unrelated to your point but something I always
             | found kind of hilarious is the fact that Thoreau had his
             | laundry and food shopping/prep done by some local women
             | while he was living his 'spartan' life in the woods.
        
         | franek wrote:
         | Ursula K. Le Guin, "Solitude", from the collection "The
         | Birthday of the World". Speculative story about a society whose
         | adults spent the majority of their lives alone. Told from a
         | female perspective. One of my favourites, to say the least.
        
       | danielam wrote:
       | Josef Pieper has written a couple of books ("Leisure: the Basis
       | of Culture" and "Happiness and Contemplation") about solitude and
       | contemplation that are worth a look.
        
       | jplr8922 wrote:
       | The author mentions that his technique is not meditation, but his
       | description is very similar to zen meditation ; just sitting in a
       | state of awareness.
       | 
       | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shikantaza
        
         | crdrost wrote:
         | There is definitely something in common with _zazen_ but it is
         | worth not externalizing it for two reasons.
         | 
         | 1. I was formerly a Buddhist and I find it unserious, maybe
         | even cringey or appropriative? People who are doing Buddhism
         | are actually on a larger journey which their meditation is a
         | component of, they want to train their attention to be able to
         | truly be present and free of the bullshit of this world... the
         | endless co-opting of mindfulness and meditation to "go out and
         | be a more productive paper-pusher" just seems kind of... I
         | don't know. Profane. Take something holy and put it into an
         | unholy context. Same like I don't make it a point to describe
         | it now as "bathing in the Holy Spirit without any other things
         | to direct yourself to other than your belovedness as an adopted
         | Child of God." You _can_ describe it that way, but if someone
         | 's not on that journey that is a rather profane and unsettling
         | thing to do, no?
         | 
         | 2. By making it internal, for example by describing it as
         | "doing nothing," I think it makes it easier? If you are setting
         | up for _zazen_ then you might go out and buy a good mat, buy a
         | zafu, clear out a room so that you can stare at a blank wall,
         | listen to many podcasts about the goals and aims of meditation.
         | Like I said, this was an important part of my religious journey
         | and if you 're on one yourself, great! But the goal of _doing
         | nothing_ is much simpler than that and does not require special
         | preparation.
         | 
         | I might have chosen an article more along the lines of (2), for
         | example https://www.insidethetravellab.com/the-importance-of-
         | doing-n... , where it's like "no we have seen this in a
         | neuroscience context, here are some resources about what this
         | is called in, say, athletic training contexts etc." Doesn't
         | matter where you do it, it matters what your responsibilities
         | are while you're doing it (namely, that you don't have any).
        
       | crazy_horse wrote:
       | Interesting that he notes Wallace there.
       | 
       | Wallace was a lonely dude. I still really admire the things he
       | said about leadership and his fiction is truly
       | unique....loneliness is a theme throughout. I think I related to
       | him partially because of that. I recently came across an article
       | about him where he basically couldn't accept that fixing his
       | loneliness wasn't someone else' job.
       | 
       | This seems relevant but it also bothered me and I think he should
       | be cited in the future with this huge caveat in mind. If he
       | wasn't a famous author he would've been known as a creepy
       | stalker.
       | 
       | https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/05/th...
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/marykarrlit/status/992735594060148737
        
         | Zababa wrote:
         | I wonder if one day as a society we'll be able to accept again
         | that humans are flawed, and often the most popular are the most
         | flawed. That's not to excuse what he's done or anything like
         | that, but we can still find some interesting things or a bit of
         | peace in his words. The "huge caveat" you talk about applies to
         | pretty much everyone.
        
       | ssivark wrote:
       | Just wanted to share Deresiewicz's classic on the subject, for
       | those who haven't stumbled on it before:
       | https://theamericanscholar.org/solitude-and-leadership/
        
         | waynesonfire wrote:
         | thanks for sharing this. This is from 2009 and as I listen to
         | it for the first time, seems just as applicable today.
        
         | oakfr wrote:
         | Thank you for sharing. What a beautiful talk.
        
       | j05h wrote:
       | I just listened to this yesterday, very similar themes.
       | 
       | https://onbeing.org/programs/stephen-batchelor-finding-ease-...
        
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