[HN Gopher] Image Sharing. No Bullshit
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Image Sharing. No Bullshit
Author : vyrotek
Score : 162 points
Date : 2021-09-27 21:49 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (imgz.org)
(TXT) w3m dump (imgz.org)
| fortran77 wrote:
| He says there's a $5/year option, but if you go to pay, there
| isn't one.
|
| https://imgz.org/money/
| RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote:
| Very neat.
|
| The thing that scares me about doing any type of personal project
| for image sharing/hosting (especially with a free tier/trial) is
| that very quickly it will become a magnet for some very awful
| stuff. What are your plans for dealing with that?
| stavros wrote:
| CloudFlare has a thing where it automatically reports bad stuff
| to me and the authorities, and I turned it on, so hopefully all
| the abusers will be discouraged by that. Also I have their
| credit card info.
| Lammy wrote:
| A "privacy" paragraph would be appreciated on the Terms page:
| https://imgz.org/help/terms/
|
| Personally I would want to know if my uploads were going
| through some scanning engine from one of the tier-1 Internet
| gatekeepers who I would have to trust to not keep/forward a
| copy.
| stavros wrote:
| Hm, the site uses CloudFlare (and that's about it), is that
| what you mean?
| Lammy wrote:
| Yes :)
| stavros wrote:
| I can mention that on the privacy page, yep!
| tgsovlerkhgsel wrote:
| The paid-only model makes the host a lot less attractive for
| this. The free trial accounts will likely become a problem at
| some point, but there's still a verified e-mail address, so the
| next step would be banning throwaway mail hosters, and/or
| limiting the lifetime of uploads by trial accounts.
| vyrotek wrote:
| I hope their architecture handles the HN front page load well. :)
|
| https://imgz.org/i9hxfgRu.png
| busymom0 wrote:
| Funniest pricing page. Make sure to read the disclaimer at the
| bottom:
|
| https://imgz.org/money/
| tyingq wrote:
| May be more a TOS problem than a load problem, though maybe
| they are on the big paid plan at CF. server:
| cloudflare cf-cache-status: HIT
| stavros wrote:
| I am definitely on something.
| NelsonMinar wrote:
| Call me back once they have a plan to deal with abusive content.
| Scaevolus wrote:
| For $1/mo/user, it's still profitable to spend 2 minutes
| reviewing an abuse complaint and banning a user. :-)
| kragen wrote:
| I gave up and just put a file-upload CGI program (I'd say
| "script" but it's in C) on my own web page.
| hnaccy wrote:
| This is ~17x more expensive than B2 served through Cloudflare.
| rexreed wrote:
| Other people's servers, other people's liability.
| NikolaNovak wrote:
| I see a lot of comments about the $5 a year quote. I see $12 on
| front page - I wonder if it's just changed in last hour or am I
| getting a Canadian special :-)
| BitAstronaut wrote:
| Hit the front page of HN so it's time to raise the prices.
| stavros wrote:
| (It changed in the last hour https://gitlab.com/stavros/imgz/-/
| commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf829...)
| paxys wrote:
| Those are some pretty terrible prices. You can share images (or
| anything else) publicly from Dropbox/Box/GDrive/OneDrive for a
| lot cheaper. Or just cut out the middleman and set up a S3 bucket
| for a few cents.
| detritus wrote:
| This is like $12 a year.
|
| I also have a dropbox account, which I hate. I also have
| various web storage accounts.
|
| For sharing silly daft images that have little connection to
| me, I use my imgz.org account all the time.
| paxys wrote:
| $12/year for 2GB.
|
| Free plans: Dropbox 2GB, OneDrive 5GB, Box 10GB, GDrive 15GB.
| They all let you generate public read-only links which aren't
| connected back to your account.
| detritus wrote:
| You know what, I literally couldn't give a fuck.
|
| I have multiple hosted web storage, google storage, paid-
| for dropbox etc accounts, as well as reddit and imgur
| accounts - and the one I use to share stupid images is this
| one.
|
| This was posted here a couple of years back, I liked the
| pitch, i paid for it.
|
| I also enjoy avocado liberally smashed on shit.
| stavros wrote:
| By all means!
| bradenb wrote:
| Really? It doesn't get much cheaper than $1/mo. Yes, I know
| that's only 2GB, but how many images do you need to share
| anonymously with the internet?
| paxys wrote:
| iCloud has a 50GB plan for $1/mo. OneDrive does 100GB for
| $2/mo, GDrive for $1.67/mo.
| supperburg wrote:
| Yeah but then you're supporting Apple and google and also
| certainly being spied on and putting yourself at risk of
| being flagged as a pedophile.
| hnaccy wrote:
| imgz will flag you to NCMEC too ;)
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28676746
| hunterb123 wrote:
| All of which disable sharing for a file if bandwidth usage
| is too high.
|
| That leads to the question. How much bandwidth does imgz
| stand up to? It says it's "included" so no charges, but
| quota is not clear.
| hnaccy wrote:
| larger cloud providers are free/cheaper
|
| https://catbox.moe/ et al are free and no account needed
|
| B2 and similar with a little effort is half a cent per gig
|
| I don't know why you would use this unless you like OP's
| attitude and want to simply support him.
| statico wrote:
| I've been hoping for an Imgur replacement for simple, hosted
| image sharing.
|
| I'm happy to pay $1/mo, but when I tried to upload
| https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9ec8d13de2878c899fda0bd43... I
| got this, which doesn't look like what I uploaded:
| https://cln.sh/4coS9T / https://imgz.org/i5qphFzd.gif
| yobert wrote:
| Bug? Or feature?
| stavros wrote:
| Well that's extremely odd, I will look into that right now.
|
| EDIT: This is very odd, I'm not really doing any processing on
| the uploaded files, so it should definitely return the
| originals. I will have this fixed soon though.
|
| EDIT2: Unfortunately, the saved image in the DB itself is
| corrupt, so you will need to reupload after I solve this.
|
| EDIT3: Alright this should be fixed! Now I can start submitting
| animated GIFs there.
|
| EDIT4: Ironically, now ONLY animated GIFs work, because 2am is
| when I do some of my best work. Stand by...
| pkulak wrote:
| > saved image in the DB
|
| Whoa now... you're putting images in the database?
| jagged-chisel wrote:
| Advice these days is to rely on the database to do the
| right thing with your uploaded files. I think they all
| handle this rather well.
| LegitShady wrote:
| say hello to my friend BLOB
| stavros wrote:
| Yes, it's a database. That's where you're meant to put
| DATA.
| debarshri wrote:
| How about filesystem or object storage? That where you
| meant to put a FILE which is what the user uploaded.
| jasode wrote:
| _> Yes, it's a database. That's where you're meant to put
| DATA._
|
| Most (all) large-scale high-volume image storage
| architectures I'm aware of do not store images as blobs
| in a database. They store the images as files with
| database only holding metadata and a pointer to the
| filename (or url if using AWS S3). E.g. Facebook is one
| of the largest MySQL sites (if not the largest) and they
| don't store images directly in MySQL.
| silisili wrote:
| Same for me. I tried uploading this test image -
| https://bhi61nm2cr3mkdgk1dtaov18-wpengine.netdna-
| ssl.com/wp-... (dont ask, lol)
|
| and the uploaded image was a negative of it.
| stavros wrote:
| That one worked for me: https://imgz.org/i4mdbiQL.jpg
| silisili wrote:
| Sorry I may have been dishonest there. I downloaded it
| from the google search results directly, perhaps this
| link- https://encrypted-
| tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTFsEM5...
|
| it resulted in https://imgz.org/i5Q2gzwB.png
| stavros wrote:
| Hm, very odd that the type wasn't detected properly. The
| animated GIF issue is because of EXIF stripping ruining
| the image, though. I'm fixing that now.
| jpomykala wrote:
| You said, no support. Why do you even care? F*k this guy.
| Delete his account. /s
| stavros wrote:
| Hey, I use this thing, it has to work.
| theawless wrote:
| Nightmare fuel
| stavros wrote:
| This is hereby declared a feature.
| romwell wrote:
| >I've been hoping for an Imgur replacement for simple, hosted
| image sharing.
|
| If you are willing to pay for things, then any good old web
| host + FTP are your friends.
| statico wrote:
| That sounds like a lot of work. Why not just push my
| screenshots to good ol' NNTP?
| detritus wrote:
| I'm on my second year subscription, even if the owner's a total
| cunt who actually responds to justifiable emails.
| mattl wrote:
| Owner sounds a bit full of themselves for sure. Any horror
| stories?
| detritus wrote:
| Nope.
|
| It's a few bucks a year silly image hosting account. I mean,
| I'm a grumpy, cheap fucker, but even I would struggle to find
| fault.
|
| - ed
|
| in fact, to clarify - I have twice written to Stavros, and
| both times he's been upmost helpful. Proving what a liar he
| is and how he fails to live up to his marketing.
| Biganon wrote:
| Owner has humor and talks to his customers like they're
| adults (adults with a sense of humor)
| AussieWog93 wrote:
| >Any horror stories?
|
| One time I made a joke on HN that feel flat, and he posted a
| sarcastic comment! He also bought an oscilloscope from me and
| made sure I marked the package correctly so it didn't get
| caught up in (corrupt) Greek customs, causing a tiny amount
| of extra work at my end!
|
| True sociopathic behaviour!
| CosmicShadow wrote:
| Strike while the iron is hot I guess, but not sure why you you
| are being such an ass in your copy, it's kind of a turn off, even
| if it is super cheap.
|
| Maybe it's a trend where if something is super cheap people tend
| to write in that style, but it kind of erodes trust, unless this
| is supposed to be a joke site, but the fact that I don't know
| really hurts your chance to actually get users to want to give
| you their email or money.
|
| Nothing against being edgy or sweary or whatever, I like it
| normally, but not when you are trying to sell something on the
| Internet when you don't have some trust anchor that makes me
| ignore it like a big name brand.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| Goes perfectly well with the spirit of Imgur's style back in
| 2009. I like the cheeky tone in personal projects like this, it
| doesn't have to be serious because it's not a startup with
| investors and neckties, at least not yet.
|
| https://web.archive.org/web/20090226191747/http://imgur.com/...
| [deleted]
| stavros wrote:
| Ah, see, you're assuming the site is not serious and I didn't
| actually make this because I needed it and it'll be a hassle if
| other people use it so they need to give me money to offset the
| hassle.
| edoceo wrote:
| It's not "free" money. They pay for the service. It's just
| regular money.
| busymom0 wrote:
| Call me crazy but the funny pricing page and copy is what
| convinces me to throw some money at this site.
| stavros wrote:
| If you upload a video of you throwing money at the screen I
| will give you a year's subscription.
| busymom0 wrote:
| Join my onlyfans to get that video..
| mikestew wrote:
| Now we know what keeps _busymom0_ so busy.
| blunte wrote:
| I'm not sure there's any definite way to erode trust these
| days, since the most polished and believable sites can (and
| often do) completely betray the trust they instill or profess
| to uphold.
|
| Perhaps the creator is truly tired of the BS and guesses that
| there's an audience who also is. And for $5/yr, it costs
| virtually nothing to try.
|
| The bigger question is about limits of what can be posted,
| policing of content, and privacy.
| version_five wrote:
| It would be interesting to see what kind of innovative products
| got made if everyone worried about being tut-tutted by self
| righteous internet critics for everything they did.
|
| Honestly your comment is a charicature of the kind of internet
| objections we'd expect to see to a new marketing style.
| BrianOnHN wrote:
| That style reads like "ego defense."
|
| As in, "if I make sure it looks like I didn't try hard, then it
| can't hurt when they say..."
| stavros wrote:
| The numbers don't lie: 99,9999987% of humans don't use this
| site and I'm not hurt.
| BrianOnHN wrote:
| Well played.
| bradenb wrote:
| To me it's charming and funny. I like it. Others will, too.
| umvi wrote:
| This is same character "Maddox" plays (if anyone remembers him)
| SkyMarshal wrote:
| From the site:
|
| _> Looking for a dead-simple way to share some images but are
| ashamed of what Imgur has become?_
|
| I don't even know why I should be ashamed of what imgur has
| become. I still use it to host images I want to post to social
| media, be they funny memes, or screen shots of
| system/programming errors I'm seeking help solving. It works
| fine. What's the problem with imgur exactly? I imagine I'm not
| the only imgur user who doesn't notice any issue with it.
| DaiPlusPlus wrote:
| > What's the problem with imgur exactly?
|
| Since yesterday, it's owned by the company that runs
| Genius.com
|
| https://www.medialab.la/
| rexreed wrote:
| Just wait. The company that brought you Kik and Whisper and
| Genius is now the proud owner of Imgur and all the fabulous
| images and data contained within.
| statico wrote:
| What's wrong with Imgur:
|
| Imgur started as a way to share images on Reddit. Imgur was
| even a great way browse all the images in a subreddit at
| once. Eventually Reddit implemented their own image uploading
| and hosting and added the new layout, which makes images
| bigger when browsing feeds. Imgur pivoted into being their
| own social network, and use cases like yours began to be
| ignored because they generated far more abuse than they do
| revenue.
|
| Even if you once paid for Imgur, like I did, the non-social
| features are completely broken. I can't even view my own
| images using https://statico.imgur.com/all, and I can't get
| to my old albums of images.
| civilized wrote:
| Did anybody else read the copy, then read this comment, then
| read the copy again and go "what planet is this guy from?"
|
| How did "being such an ass" get defined down to something this
| mild? People are so easily offended these days.
|
| You can sign up for any image hosting website you want. I mean,
| you wouldn't go to Chipotle and rant at them for three
| paragraphs about how their mild salsa is way too spicy for you.
| Waterluvian wrote:
| It's all about context.
|
| In the context of informal Internet chat, this is mild.
|
| But as a business, in my own personal subjective opinion,
| it's a real turn-off. I don't ever EVER want companies to
| feign personality. At the moment it seems like this site
| exists purely because someone's upset with Imgur. That's a
| trrrible business model. I'm not about to rely on this
| existing in six months.
|
| What I want is the most dead simple version of:
|
| 1. What it does
|
| 2. What's in it for you
|
| 3. What's in it for us
|
| Everyone misses 3 but it's imperative. Tell us why you're
| here and how you plan on staying in business. If you don't
| I'll assume the worst.
| ASalazarMX wrote:
| It this was a normal startup, the tone wouldn't inspire trust
| or be good PR. Fortunately this is a personal project, so the
| author can do whatever the heck he wants with its public
| image.
| pugz wrote:
| I was fine with all of it except the domestic violence jokes.
| Those weren't funny enough to warrant the topic.
| smolyeet wrote:
| Yeah I was having the same problem. If he posted I host
| images , people would probably be less likely to join. People
| just like to complain about nothing
| nevir wrote:
| TBH, I find the following from that site as "being a bit of
| an ass":
|
| > You are a guest here. You can use IMGZ, and it'll always be
| great, because I'm great. I've even open-sourced it.
|
| (in particular, due to the "because I'm great.")
|
| > It's super cheap. Like, $5/yr. And that includes bandwidth.
| There's even a free trial because I'm nice.
|
| (same theme: "because I'm nice")
|
| ---
|
| past that, the honest talk is nice to see, IMO.
| maldeh wrote:
| Not to mention:
|
| > Already have an account? No you don't.
|
| > Try to log in below if you think you do anyway.
| allenu wrote:
| Yeah, I was confused by the copy. I also thought it wasn't
| a real service.
|
| On the "Money" page (with title "Buy my shit"):
|
| > That's because we want to avoid having to sell photos of
| your vagina to shady Russian oligarchs to pay for our
| servers and cocaine.
|
| I'm not offended by the language. It just doesn't give me a
| sense that this is a serious business.
| rexreed wrote:
| Honestly I'd rather have this straightforward no-BS talk than
| the "take this amazing journey with us" all is happy BS that is
| much easier to be cynical and skeptical about. What about the
| copy is false? It seems true to me, if it is blunt. I can't say
| the same for other website content that is much more bland, but
| also much more false.
| nimvlaj30 wrote:
| I don't know why talk like this gets a reputation as being
| straightforward and no-BS. It would be more straightforward
| and have less BS if it just said, "Image sharing made simple.
| Like imgur, but without he bullshit."
|
| Not a long ramble about being ashamed (why?) about an image
| board I never even think of.
| [deleted]
| loktarogar wrote:
| There's a middle ground that isn't "amazing journey" and
| isn't "i'm an asshole but i'll let you use my service, I
| guess"
|
| From my perspective the latter associates itself with
| volatility which isn't fantastic for any kind of hosting.
| user-the-name wrote:
| This is neither "straightforward" nor "no-BS", there's plenty
| of BS in there are and pointless posturing.
| actusual wrote:
| We're trying to maintain the puritanical simplicity of the
| internet, didn't you hear?
|
| On a more serious note, I tend to agree with you and would
| add one more thing: I have several friends who have
| explicitly asked for more websites with this paid model. My
| friends want to pay to not be advertised to or have their
| data sold. It also happens to be the case that those same
| people all express their opinions in a very similar style as
| this website's copy.
| delusional wrote:
| I think the author commented on this view in their FAQ:
|
| > Listen, this is half service, half art project. I made it in
| two days because I needed one and Imgur is an embarrassing husk
| of its former self, and I had nothing better to do. If you're
| expecting professionalism, call Oracle and ask for a quote of
| Oracle Advanced Image Sharing for Hadoop or whatever crap they
| sell, IMGZ is awesome but what you see is what you get.
| system2 wrote:
| Then why would I trust him with my credit card or give him
| money while there are free alternatives?
| rexreed wrote:
| Because the customers know that "free" has a cost. That's
| the reason for this site's creation -- because if you're
| not the customer, you're the product. Free isn't the
| alternative that it might seem to be.
| user-the-name wrote:
| That does not answer the question "Then why would I trust
| him with my credit card"?
| rexreed wrote:
| For the same reason you'd trust a free service with your
| data. Especially photos and image data.
| 27182818284 wrote:
| Eh, it isn't too far off from the "I created an image hosting
| service that doesn't suck." language used in the announcement
| of Imgur on Reddit 12 years ago.
| durpkingOP wrote:
| ok arbiter of copywrite, should we call it imgzen instead.
| kumbaya
| CaptainMarvel wrote:
| Funnily enough, my reaction was the opposite. This is blunt,
| honest, and makes fun of all the crap marketing and fake sale
| pitches of other services.
| carabiner wrote:
| The "no bullshit" is a low key HN meme:
| https://hn.algolia.com/?q=no+bullshit+guide
| threatofrain wrote:
| The top hits on this query is Ivan Savov's pedagogical
| branding sparsely spread across the years. The rest are like
| 0-comment posts.
| yelnatz wrote:
| $34
|
| 500 GB
|
| You're just showing off
|
| More images
|
| The server doesn't have that much space don't get this
|
| LMAO
| s1artibartfast wrote:
| from the FAQ:
|
| >Does bandwidth cost extra?
|
| >No. I don't know. It's not a problem yet. If it becomes a
| problem, I'll make it your problem, but I think we're gonna be
| okay.
| [deleted]
| holler wrote:
| > With this in mind, we found the perfect balance of the "early
| startup employee" compensation package: 50% stock, 50% equity, 0%
| salary[0].
|
| I'm IN! Congrats :D
|
| 0: https://imgz.org/blog/
| stavros wrote:
| Fantastic! I will send you the contracts to sign.
|
| I didn't relaunch though, I just wrote a comment about it and
| someone posted it and now I have to fix my EXIF stripping
| breaking animated GIFs at 2 am :( Ah well, no better time than
| the present.
| aduitsis wrote:
| Hah, Greek time zone eh?
| stavros wrote:
| Yes :( There are worse timezones, there's this school in
| England whose timezone is like 12 minutes away from the
| rest of the country.
| [deleted]
| vmception wrote:
| > Image Sharing. No Bullshit
|
| Sign up with email: Bullshit
|
| Free trial (for a paid service?): Bullshit
|
| That's a lot of bullshit for a no bullshit service
| romwell wrote:
| It's a statement, not a product.
|
| And it's a bullshit statement, FWIW
| [deleted]
| nikolay wrote:
| Unfortunately, Stavros has some issues keeping his services up. I
| was a user of his https://historio.us long-time ago, a paying
| one, and he just killed the service and lost all my data. Some
| time later, he restarted the service and gave my username to
| somebody else. Don't put anything meaningful and valuable into
| his services! Hello, I'm afraid I couldn't
| find your backup file :/ It looks like your account may have been
| one of the older ones to be reclaimed, when we hadn't added the
| backup functionality yet. I'm sorry about that :/
| Thanks, Stavros
| stavros wrote:
| That's a bit of a liberal retelling. You had a free account,
| the system sends you one (or two, I forget) emails if your free
| account is inactive, and if you don't log in for a few months
| it deletes the data to make room for others.
|
| There was a period where I didn't keep backups of the data on
| free accounts, but people complained, so I added that.
|
| I think it's a bit unfair to expect me to keep account data
| around forever for free, even after notifications that the
| account is inactive and will be deleted. Also, wasn't this more
| than half a decade ago?
|
| EDIT: Also, your account isn't even deleted, only the pages
| are, so your username should still be there, no?
| [deleted]
| calltrak wrote:
| i like to use https://picc.io image sharing
| bananamerica wrote:
| Somebody suggested me cubeupload some time ago. Is there anything
| wrong with it?
| tyingq wrote:
| Is it free? Free image hosting always eventually shuts down or
| monetizes with redirects to an html page with your image and
| bunch of ads. Bandwidth isn't cheap enough for free image
| hosting to survive.
| mahgnous wrote:
| Step 1 asking for my email is bullshit though...
| jonny_eh wrote:
| Is it $5/year (says on home), or $1/month (says on pricing page)?
| d4mi3n wrote:
| From the pricing page (fine print): * All
| prices paid per year but shown per month because if I get
| another person telling me that "$5 A MoNth Is toO ExPeNSiVe FoR
| 1 GB" I'm going to lose it. Small print may be too small to
| read. Service comes with no guarantee, not even guarantee of
| service. Do not email us for support you do not get any. Paying
| us money doesn't entitle you to anything except owning less
| money. Disclaimer may make less sense as you read on, this is
| not the disclaimer's fault and is by design.
| blunte wrote:
| Well, I might pay $5/yr for an image service that sometimes
| works, with a side of comedy. It's better than some of the
| free options...
| jrochkind1 wrote:
| I still don't understand. $1 month is $12/year? Where does
| $5/year come from?
| topher200 wrote:
| The pricing was updated today: https://gitlab.com/stavros/i
| mgz/-/commit/7bdac35c8bc397bf829...
| toomuchtodo wrote:
| A Stavros product.
|
| https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stavros
|
| Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21627714
| jessaustin wrote:
| The switch from 'StavrosK really confused me and seemed fake at
| first...
| [deleted]
| stavros wrote:
| Oh yes, sorry! I legally changed my username, apparently you
| can do this and dang was very accommodating.
| jessaustin wrote:
| It's fine! I understand now, and it's nice this was
| possible.
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