[HN Gopher] This influenza lineage may have become extinct
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       This influenza lineage may have become extinct
        
       Author : perihelions
       Score  : 32 points
       Date   : 2021-10-01 20:55 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.nature.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.nature.com)
        
       | endlessvoid94 wrote:
       | I'm reading about the history of smallpox and it seems like it
       | takes a herculean effort to actually eradicate an infectious
       | virus from the planet. Obviously smallpox is far more virulent
       | than influenza, but still....it seems premature to declare
       | extinction just because we haven't found any in awhile.
        
         | m463 wrote:
         | I can imagine lots of ways old viruses can be reintroduced.
         | 
         | Blood banks, dead bodies, mosquito bites, experiments in secret
         | underground laboratories...
        
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       | owenversteeg wrote:
       | Worth reading the actual article, but for those who won't: The
       | article is referring to the B/Yamagata lineage of influenza
       | becoming extinct, which is only one of the four main lineages of
       | influenza. The other lineages circulate in animals thus will be a
       | bit harder to eradicate. Also, this lineage was also already on
       | the way out, lacking the genetic diversity of the other lineages.
       | 
       | Still, interesting news!
        
       | whoisjuan wrote:
       | This is not surprising at all. I haven't had anything that feels
       | like a cold or a flu, since COVID started. I think this can be
       | mostly attributed to the sudden increase of mask usage and hand-
       | washing.
       | 
       | I believe influenza was very vulnerable to this change of
       | behavior given its seasonal nature, shorter incubation period and
       | generally weaker virality.
        
         | Negitivefrags wrote:
         | In NZ we had a period of lockdown during which colds and flus
         | were non-existant and then we went completely back to normal
         | life for a while.
         | 
         | In that winter after the lockdown we had an absolutely
         | ferocious amount of colds and flus all of a sudden.
         | 
         | I had 6 back-to-back. It was 12 weeks of hell. Every other
         | person I know had at least 2. Parents (such as myself) all had
         | 4+ colds/flus in a 3 month period.
         | 
         | There was a lot of speculation that the spread was
         | significantly worse because it got into a population entirely
         | made of people who had not been sick for a while.
         | 
         | So you might have that to look forward to.
        
         | subsubzero wrote:
         | same, I have not had a cold/flu in 2 years now which is a
         | record for me, usually I am getting sick 4-5 times a year.
        
           | Natsu wrote:
           | I haven't had a cold or flu since Covid, either. This is
           | probably the longest I've ever gone without one, usually I'd
           | get one every couple of years or so.
        
             | thatswrong0 wrote:
             | I don't know if I'll ever take public transit / fly without
             | a mask on again. Same.
        
               | berberous wrote:
               | I'm not sure how effective that will be if the sick
               | person isn't also masked.
        
               | mensetmanusman wrote:
               | N95s are designed to protect the wearer from situations
               | like that, even for 8 hours of contact. Cloth masks will
               | not work in that situation though if the sick person
               | isn't masked.
        
       | ImaCake wrote:
       | It actually appears that influenza is very close to extinct in
       | Australia for now. It will be interesting to see if influenza
       | returns with the opening of borders this summer.
       | 
       | >There has not been a death certified due to influenza in the
       | first six months of 2021. The last death certified as being due
       | to influenza occurred in July 2020.
       | 
       | 0. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-
       | death/provis...
        
       | subsubzero wrote:
       | I use this dashboard to see influenza spread in my state, scroll
       | down to the state by state activity monitor to see how your state
       | is doing.
       | 
       | https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm
        
       | version_five wrote:
       | What role does the "this" at the beginning of the title play? I
       | actually thought it said "the" at first scan.
        
         | MaxBarraclough wrote:
         | So I'm not the only one who notices this.
         | 
         | The unnecessary _this_ prefix strikes me as a sort of
         | clickbait-adjacent red flag. I 'm fairly sure it wasn't
         | anywhere near this common 10 years ago.
        
         | genericone wrote:
         | Good point, the title of the article is: "Influenza lineage
         | extinction during the COVID-19 pandemic?", I don't know how the
         | HN headline came to be ("This influenza lineage may have become
         | extinct"), but it does seem like a very very light form of
         | clickbait.
        
           | perihelions wrote:
           | It's a quote from the abstract. I found "influenza lineage
           | extinction" difficult to parse, but the abstract expands it
           | into plain English.
        
         | dmd wrote:
         | The word "this" is used to identify a specific person or thing
         | close at hand or being referred to (in this case, a specific
         | influenza lineage).
         | 
         | If the word "the" were used instead, the headline wouldn't make
         | sense.
        
           | bawolff wrote:
           | Personally i think using "An" would be better than "this" or
           | nothing at all, but i also think this entire thread is very
           | nitpicky.
        
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       | blfr wrote:
       | I read a speculation somewhere that coronaviruses may have
       | occupied the niche flu took over for a while with the 1918
       | pandemic and we're just going back to the norm.
       | 
       | (No sources will be provided.)
        
         | IfOnlyYouKnew wrote:
         | I've seen similar, and don't doubt it. I just keep wondering:
         | how does that work, mechanistically? A coronavirus infection
         | doesn't protect me from influenza: it should be perfectly
         | possible to be infected by both. How do they compete?
        
           | FatalLogic wrote:
           | Influenza and coronavirus 'compete' by forcing people to
           | alter their behavior, thus removing potential carriers from
           | the general population before the other virus can reach them.
           | The more infectious virus wins this competition.
        
         | space_fountain wrote:
         | Just because this is the top comment right now, I'd like to
         | point out that the conventional explanation works fine too. The
         | interventions taken against covid worked even better against
         | the flu and because diseases are exponential you only have to
         | get the reproduction rate a bit below 1 to see huge impacts. Oh
         | and also covid is currently a more dangerous disease so it
         | would still be pretty bad if flu was replaced by it
        
           | shmel wrote:
           | Yeah, right, why do we still have a bunch of common cold
           | viruses then? Any argument referring the interventions has to
           | also explain why _only_ flu disappeared out of huge variety
           | of respiratory viruses.
        
             | stan_rogers wrote:
             | We're talking about _a_ flu, not _the_ flu. There are still
             | plenty of influenza viruses out there, alive, well, and
             | waiting. The difference with this particular lineage is
             | that it seems to be human-only, with no known animal
             | reservoir.
        
       | bink wrote:
       | I thought these viruses had reservoirs in common farm animals and
       | that's why they were so hard to eradicate. Is there reason to
       | believe they've disappeared from those populations as well?
        
         | pfg wrote:
         | The article mentions that the influenza B virus has no known
         | animal reservoir.
        
         | Scaevolus wrote:
         | Not this strain. From the article: "With circulation of IBV
         | only in humans and no established animal reservoir... The
         | considerable reductions of influenza circulation globally due
         | to COVID-19 may have already precipitated the extinction of the
         | B/Yamagata lineage."
        
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